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[Panda]

I'm personally guessing that our ship to Andromeda left before reaper war, cause it's pretty likely that if it happened after ME3 Shepard would be dead and wouldn't be able to record the message.

[AlanC9]

Depends how huge a project it is. Which mostly depends on how we're making the trip.I don't think, say, taking a cargo ship, converting it for an extended trip, sticking in 20,000 stasis pods and a bunch of colonisation equipment and sending it on its way is necessarily unreasonable. On a galactic scale, that's basically nothing.

Right. Building the Ark only hurts if the resources that go into the Ark would have made the difference in the Crucible succeeding or not. If the Crucible succeeds anyway then building the Ark doesn't matter, and if the Crucible was going to fail anyway then not building the Ark is a huge mistake.

See Wing Commander 3, where Confed has the Navy's Behemoth project, Special Operations' far cheaper T-Bomb project, and a doomsday evacuation scheme in case both projects fail.

[Balsam Beige]

They have to connect the Milky way galaxy(because that is where humans are from) and the Andromeda galaxy somehow. Hence they need to mention it and since humanity didn't have the level of galactic technology for long.

Not necessary to connect Andromeda to the trilogy. Human connection to the Milky Way is a given. It obviously takes time to get from one galaxy to another. Start the story after the arrival in Andromeda and move forward. An entry in the codex can explain the new tech, the how and when with no mention of Shepard or events. Make everyone happy except those wanting fan service.

[Iakus]

Can't remember where I had the idea, but one thing that explains why the council was so stupid is that the Citadel was indoctrinating them slowly. Over a couple of years, it didn't make them into complete reaper subjects but it influenced their decisions enough so that they were slow to act against them and make stupid decisions. 

There was a theory back when "Ah, yes, Reapers" was still fresh that the Reapers were slowly indoctrinating the Council using the Citadel itself (since it was Reaper tech and with areas and functions no one has ever figured out)

[Mummy22kids]

My guess is Shepard will be relegated to a codex entry a la HOF in DAI, and I'd be more than happy with that.

[Iakus]

My guess is Shepard will be relegated to a codex entry a la HOF in DAI, and I'd be more than happy with that.

Fine by me.  I've even got an entry they can lift from:

 

Spoiler

Codex Entry: Commander Shepard "The First Human Spectre" is a fictional character and the subject of several interactive films published by Tethras Enterprises. These films were wildly popular due at least in part to the player being able to customize Shepard, from gender to appearance. Shepard could even have romances with several of the colorful cast of characters. The viewer was able to experience the adventures using Shepard as an avatar, making choices for Shepard and customizing the story to suit individual tastes.

Over its five year run, numerous adventures where made available for Shepard's fans to experience. Though the central plot involved foiling the "Reapers" a mythological race of sentient AIs the films credited for the extinction of the Protheans.
Shepard's run ended with the so-called "Shepard Incident". The conclusion of the final film was considered so controversial that it caused an unprecedented uproar which even a rereleased ending could not quell.
Currently Tethras Enterprises has no plans to bring back Shepard for other stories. However, they are looking into the licensing Blasto for a new series.

 

 

And yes, I am dead serious.  Bioware has my permission to use this.

[Balsam Beige]

My guess is Shepard will be relegated to a codex entry a la HOF in DAI, and I'd be more than happy with that.

Be careful how you write that codex entry. Could upset a lot of fans. Better not to mention Shepard or events at all. Then, the personal trilogy state is intact and no one starts the new story angry.

[Balsam Beige]

Fine by me.  I've even got an entry they can lift from:
 

Spoiler

Codex Entry: Commander Shepard "The First Human Spectre" is a fictional character and the subject of several interactive films published by Tethras Enterprises. These films were wildly popular due at least in part to the player being able to customize Shepard, from gender to appearance. Shepard could even have romances with several of the colorful cast of characters. The viewer was able to experience the adventures using Shepard as an avatar, making choices for Shepard and customizing the story to suit individual tastes.
Over its five year run, numerous adventures where made available for Shepard's fans to experience. Though the central plot involved foiling the "Reapers" a mythological race of sentient AIs the films credited for the extinction of the Protheans.
Shepard's run ended with the so-called "Shepard Incident". The conclusion of the final film was considered so controversial that it caused an unprecedented uproar which even a rereleased ending could not quell.
Currently Tethras Enterprises has no plans to bring back Shepard for other stories. However, they are looking into the licensing Blasto for a new series.

 
 
And yes, I am dead serious.  Bioware has my permission to use this.

Love this ^

[Mummy22kids]

Be careful how you write that codex entry. Could upset a lot of fans. Better not to mention Shepard or events at all. Then, the personal trilogy state is intact and no one starts the new story angry.

 

I hoping they have something like the keep so people can "choose' their Shepard for the entry.  Could even be tacked onto an entry about Spectres- like "The first human spectre was a (man/woman) named Shepard".

 

But I agree no mention would be better.

[HSomCokeSniper]

Shep's last quote in the trailer/teaser is: "This is commander Shepard, signing off." Unless Shepard stays just a commander after the war (seems unlikely to me), I'd say this happened during ME3.

 

Didn't you know? Shepard's first name really was Commander.

[katamuro]

The Citadel has been inhabited for 2000 years, if it was having an effect on people's behavior, someone would notice.

 

As I said it wouldn't be an open indoctrination, just minor tweaks, making them more paranoid about each other, making them less believing in anything that involves ancient super-aliens apart from protheans. Plus it could have been activated by the Starbrat any time it wanted. After all lets remember that Reapers were basically dupes in this story, puppets. 

[Heimdall]

As I said it wouldn't be an open indoctrination, just minor tweaks, making them more paranoid about each other, making them less believing in anything that involves ancient super-aliens apart from protheans. Plus it could have been activated by the Starbrat any time it wanted. After all lets remember that Reapers were basically dupes in this story, puppets.

The purpose of the Citadel is to draw people in so it becomes a nexus of the galactic community/government. Indoctrination over long periods of time reduces people to insanity and ultimately mindlessness. People are born on and spend their entire lives on the Citadel. Even a reduced signal wouldn't be enough to keep the effect entirely hidden and any potential discovery of the effect would hinder the goal of the Citadel becoming the nexus of the galactic community. Plus indoctrination mostly hasn't been shown to be so selective/specific in its effect..

[Little Princess Peach]

I still think that they are probably going to end up canonizing the destroy ending. As I said they just might be vague enough about it, Something like X amount of years ago we were sent with this message to this galaxy. It is our mandate here. 

Bioware said that this game has nothing to do with the original games we will be lucky if the games get mentioned

[Iakus]

Bioware said that this game has nothing to do with the original games we will be lucky if the games get mentioned

I prefer to think of it as we'll be lucky if the other games don't get mentioned

[katamuro]

Bioware said that this game has nothing to do with the original games we will be lucky if the games get mentioned

Bioware says a lot of stuff. I remember what they said about ME3 before the release. So...

Plus how can they not? They need to start somewhere, they need backstory, how can you have humans and what looks like more or less the same level of technology but do not mention any of the previous games? 

[Balsam Beige]

Bioware says a lot of stuff. I remember what they said about ME3 before the release. So...
Plus how can they not? They need to start somewhere, they need backstory, how can you have humans and what looks like more or less the same level of technology but do not mention any of the previous games?

Creative writers can write a brief back story with no mention of Shepard or trilogy. Shouldn't be that difficult and saves them the mess of stepping on any toes.

If you need to keep the story connected to Shepard and trilogy then stay in the Milky Way already.

[a pug]

I don't think they will canonize any ending...because...they send the Ark before the ultimate fight with the Reapers on Earth...meaning the people on Andromeda wouldn't know what happen on Earth.

what is ark? Is it mentioned in the games?

[katamuro]

Creative writers can write a brief back story with no mention of Shepard or trilogy. Shouldn't be that difficult and saves them the mess of stepping on any toes.

If you need to keep the story connected to Shepard and trilogy then stay in the Milky Way already.

Well they will need to include the human history up to 2183 at least. Or if they are setting it after ME3, they will have to include some mention of that. They can't just gloss over and say "oh a couple of thousand years ago there was a war but we won and so be happy" because depending on the outcome it changes quite a bit the universe. 

[katamuro]

what is ark? Is it mentioned in the games?

 

No nothing like it has been mentioned at all. 

Basically there was a theory which now seems to be at least halfway confirmed that during the war with the Reapers Council made Mass Effection version of Noah's Ark stuffing it with various species including humans and setting them out for a long voyage to the Andromeda galaxy.

[wright1978]

Creative writers can write a brief back story with no mention of Shepard or trilogy. Shouldn't be that difficult and saves them the mess of stepping on any toes.

If you need to keep the story connected to Shepard and trilogy then stay in the Milky Way already.

 

Creative writers should use the spaces available within the trilogy timeline to create their backstory.

[Balsam Beige]

Well they will need to include the human history up to 2183 at least. Or if they are setting it after ME3, they will have to include some mention of that. They can't just gloss over and say "oh a couple of thousand years ago there was a war but we won and so be happy" because depending on the outcome it changes quite a bit the universe.

The outcomes change quite a bit of the universe is correct. That's why it's better not to mention Shepard or the trilogy events. Less is better so to speak. Focus the narrative on going forward not looking back.

[Balsam Beige]

Creative writers should use the spaces available within the trilogy timeline to create their backstory.

We already know that the writers are walking a tightrope with this one. There was not supposed to be sequel after blue, green and red choices. Avoiding Shepard and time line is the best option imo. That's all I am saying. I imagine Bioware will do just the opposite and ****** off a portion of the fan base. Nothing new really.

[katamuro]

The outcomes change quite a bit of the universe is correct. That's why it's better not to mention Shepard or the trilogy events. Less is better so to speak. Focus the narrative on going forward not looking back.

 

How do you propose to do it? Set it after but just ignore the HUGE galactic wide thing? That changed everything? Literally changed everything. Just ignore it as if it never happened? That would be worse than canonising Destroy.

[Balsam Beige]

How do you propose to do it? Set it after but just ignore the HUGE galactic wide thing? That changed everything? Literally changed everything. Just ignore it as if it never happened? That would be worse than canonising Destroy.

I didn't say ignore it. It happened. I said don't mention it or Shepard. It's problematic. Focus on story going forward.

As for "How do I propose.......etc." That's up to the writer's to figure out.

The ship leaving before the me3 endings is probably the safest option.

[katamuro]

I didn't say ignore it. It happened. I said don't mention it or Shepard. It's problematic. Focus on story going forward.

As for "How do I propose.......etc." That's up to the writer's to figure out.

The ship leaving before the me3 endings is probably the safest option.

 

Which is why I was saying that the most likely place for it would be just before ME2, that would connect the trailer with the games. Give us the last glimpse of Shepard. Unless the trailer is a ruse to try to lead us in the wrong direction and Shepard's voice is just because they wanted someone an Hale was available. 

But I think it would be neater to send the ship at that time rather than try to cover anything in ME3. 

For example Shepard might have recorded the speech just before ME2 but the ship itself sailed during ME2/just before ME3 so they have no idea about invasion or reaper war. 

Unless of course the current team making MEA would be bold enough to wade into the shitcreek that was the direct result of ME3 endings and try to sort it out. Frankly at this point I would be very happy if they just said, "we decided that for game continuity we are making destroy the canon option but all the other options are equally as valid"