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[Spectr61]

Consoles can't even run current games properly. An semi open world game with those graphics? I don't think so. I mean they weren't even able to run BF4 in 1080p at 60 fps. But really with hardware like that I didn't expect them to. 
 
To give you the run down: 
For the sake of this argument take the more powerful of the two the PS4, which has a custom low power voltage AMD jaguar chip. Which is basically a mobile platform processor and clocks in at 8x 1.6 Ghz with a x86 instruction set. Which is able to output 102 Gigaflops. Which is as far as gaming concerned okay but not really enough for the future. To put that into perspective the PS3 cell processor was able to output 220 Gigaflops. 
 
As for the graphics unit both of them are build upon the somewhat new GCN architecture of AMD. Which was also featured in then new R9 series. The PS4 has 18 GCN cores and a total of 1152 stream processors, which is basically individual shader blocks which can be tasked to a certain thing. This has all to do with the way real time computer graphics are rendered. Parallel processing is key here. But that's a bit too deep. The GPU is clocked at 800 Mhz and can output 1.84 teraflops.
Next up are the ROPs  or Raster operation pipelines. Which basically help with anti aliasing, the z-buffer and texture filtering and so on and so forth. PS4 has 32 ROPs  and the xbox one has 16. Moving on to ACE units or Asynchronous compute engine units. Those are especially important for any upcoming DX12 game since those games support Asynchronous shading (hopefully). Basically they manage the workflow and resource allocations of the various tasks handled by the GPU core. So every picture doesn't have to be rendered equally in each core, but that helps with actually giving a certain core a certain task and only carry that out without doing anything else (let's say fluid dynamics) . And in the end everything is put together which allows overall performance to increase since dumping every operation on everything on the system lets the effectiveness suffer. I'm going to cut it off right here and will not go into the whole vram aspect and what problems the new architecture of the consoles bares for this. 
 
But to anyone who doesn't know anything about processor architecture this means very little, so I'll make it easier. I'm going to compare it to a back then High end graphics card the R9 290x. Which had it's prime around the release cycle of the PS4. So lets tally this up shall we.
 
                                 PS4                                     R9 290x
stream processors   1152                                    2816
GPU clock speed     800 Mhz                              1000 Mhz with available boost to 1100
ROP units                32                                         64
ACE units                 8                                          8             (so yey they're equal but the R9 also has 44 compute units at it's disposel so hmm)
Floating point calc   1.84 teraflops                       5.6 teraflops
 
Well that paints a pretty clear picture. If you want something more detailed there are multiple sources on the internet which can even go more in depth that's just a quick overview of how underpowered the current consoles are. Sure consoles always made up with extra dev time and there's a lot of optimization going on but that reaches it's limits pretty quickly. Last gen consoles had amazing hardware and PC at the time couldn't get the same powerful hardware but that has changed.

This.

And,

http://www.forbes.co...a0b6cccdb5e6f69

Design to the lowest common denominator of the weakest console limits all our games.

[Seboist]

PC, because it always means more options.

 

Don't like something? Even in games that do not officially support mods you are able to make some changes and edits, at least to some degree.

 

Yep, did this recently when playing "Star Wars: Republic Commando",where I modded 1980x1080 resolution support into it. Another example is the 2D platformer "Freedom Planet", where i followed some dude's guide how to mod scanlines into it to make it look better.

[Chroptus]

PC, playing from my couch using a wireless keyboard and mouse on my 55" tv. Works great when you get used to it

[Mummy22kids]

Console for me, not because of "**** you PC" or any of that stupid platform war children play. Because of comfort, i am nearing the end of my 20ies and i have been playing consoles since i was like 6, its like a freakin comforter for me, hell even if i had a pc that could run it i would still be playing on console.  

 

That's the reason I play PC.  It's pretty much all I've ever used (and I'm from the Atari 2600 generation) and I find consoles/controllers much harder to use than KB+M. My teen just got a Xbone though because he's always used consoles/controllers and finds KB+M much harder. 

[AlanC9]

PC, playing from my couch using a wireless keyboard and mouse on my 55" tv. Works great when you get used to it

How is your room laid out? I did the math on this and I found I'd need to get an 87" screen to match the effective size of my monitor. (Or rearrange the living room in a way that would have people constantly walking around or into the couch.)

Fortunately, I've never seen any attraction in playing from a couch in the first place.

[Novak]

I'm just gonna leave this here

 

[katamuro]

How is your room laid out? I did the math on this and I found I'd need to get an 87" screen to match the effective size of my monitor. (Or rearrange the living room in a way that would have people constantly walking around or into the couch.)

Fortunately, I've never seen any attraction in playing from a couch in the first place.

 

Well there are certain games which I like to play with a controller and preferably without a table in front of me like Uncharted, Tomb Raider, Remember Me. Otherwise I like to be closer to see more on the screen. But that is probably because my tv is small and my current monitor is just slightly smaller than my tv

[goishen]

This.

And,

http://www.forbes.co...a0b6cccdb5e6f69

Design to the lowest common denominator of the weakest console limits all our games.

 

 

Right, but the GPU wars are almost over. 

 

With SW Battlefront coming out, it should prove that to you.  I guess not.

[Guitar-Hero]

That's the reason I play PC.  It's pretty much all I've ever used (and I'm from the Atari 2600 generation) and I find consoles/controllers much harder to use than KB+M. My teen just got a Xbone though because he's always used consoles/controllers and finds KB+M much harder. 

I can relate to your kid, i feel like a spaz with keyboard and mouse, had an atar 96 and it was great, but i am controller all the way. 

[Chroptus]

How is your room laid out? I did the math on this and I found I'd need to get an 87" screen to match the effective size of my monitor. (Or rearrange the living room in a way that would have people constantly walking around or into the couch.)

Fortunately, I've never seen any attraction in playing from a couch in the first place.

 

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from my tv to where i sit, its 3,5meters. The windows 10 gave me better text size scaling of the OS, so i dont have to struggle to see anything.

 

[Novak]

Right, but the GPU wars are almost over. 

 

With SW Battlefront coming out, it should prove that to you.  I guess not.

 

What do you mean? Because it looks as good on the console as it does on PC? Well SW Battlefront runs sub 1080 on consoles with 900p on PS4 and Xbone at 720p though both push it up to 60 fps which is good. I haven't seen a good graphics comparison between the two so I don't know if the effects load is the same on the PC as it is on the PS4. 

 

Putting that aside it clearly shows that consoles are still not fully 1080p capable this in itself wouldn't be a super big deal if game development would stand still. GPU wars will never ever end as long as there is advancement in the field of computer graphics. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Console. I used to be a PC gamer but got tired of having to upgrade my PC every 18 months for some stupid game so it wouldn't crash every 15 minutes unless I wanted to run with **** resolution. The PC tugged at me a couple years ago, but it was only a tug. 

 

Now with that virus called Windows 10................

[AlanC9]

https://www.dropbox....ew=Untitled.png

from my tv to where i sit, its 3,5meters. The windows 10 gave me better text size scaling of the OS, so i dont have to struggle to see anything.

Wow. Quick and comprehensive. Thanks.

In my case distance is actually a bit closer; 2.1 meters assuming I'm in my usual seat. (Layout's like yours except a bit smaller, and the TV's on a rotating stand so it can face to the sides.) But with my PC setup's distance to screen at something less than .7 meters -- the exact figure depends a little on my posture -- the math doesn't really work.

[Helios969]

Depends whether you got 3 grand for a good PC rig and are okay living without mods.  No question console is by far the more economical approach...even if you factored in the cost of a new flat screen tv.

[AtreiyaN7]

PC since I have a relatively new one that can probably run it on ultra (I can run DA:I on ultra and Battlefront on ultra, so I don't anticipate too many issues...). I have a PS4, but it's mostly for console exclusives, although I'll certainly get something for it if the PC version of a game is borked beyond belief like B:AK was - learned my lesson with that game, hmph (my PC version still sits uninstalled as of this date, because the last I heard, it still wasn't exactly running all that great).

[Linkenski]

I played ME1 and ME2 way back when I had the shittiest laptop in the world and was forced to play them at 10fps speeds. Still better than that one time I played the PS3 version of the trilogy. I'd stick to PC especially now that controller will probably be natively supported so you can hook it up to your TV and act like it's the console version. If you're into co-op and it has MP then you should consider where your friends are of course.

[Laughing_Man]

Depends whether you got 3 grand for a good PC rig and are okay living without mods.  No question console is by far the more economical approach...even if you factored in the cost of a new flat screen tv.

 

3K USD just for a "good" PC? You should really find a better place to buy your electronics / computers at.

 

You can have a decent / good PC even without making it solely from top-of-the-line parts.

[Draining Dragon]

This why I despise the so-called "PC Master Race" and "Hardcore Gamers"  they are nothing more than a group of tech fetchists, who think a game that doesn't run 60 fps or has hi-def realistic graphics that it is a piece of crap and that every worthless and stupid POS 2-bit mod makes them better than people who just want to play games for fun.
 
Let this old hardcore console player break this down for you: take you specs and stuff them where the sun don't shine.
I didn't give a damn about the specs when I was a PC gamer in the past which FTR was the worst experience I've had as a player,
I don't give a damn about your stupid specs, NOW.
And most likely I won't give a damn ever.

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Also, PC. Always.

[pdusen]

Depends whether you got 3 grand for a good PC rig and are okay living without mods.  No question console is by far the more economical approach...even if you factored in the cost of a new flat screen tv.

 

You got ripped off, son.

[Chardonney]

PC + kb&m, definitely. Like I've said before, yeah, I have console but it's just gathering dust and no, I wouldn't touch it even with a ten foot pole. Would probably make a decent paperweight, though. And I completely detest controlles.

[Sylvius the Mad]

What's the highest resolution display the current gen consoles support?

[straykat]

What's the highest resolution display the current gen consoles support?

 

Uh, 1080p.. Or do you mean something else? I don't know anything about 4k tvs yet.

[katamuro]

I have nothing against consoles, in fact I own one but I use my pc more often. There are more games on it, my steam library alone has 140+titles. Plus strategies. Civ5, C&C, Age of Empires,

[katamuro]

Uh, 1080p.. Or do you mean something else? I don't know anything about 4k tvs yet.

 

Doesn't matter the HDMI cables and the consoles won't output higher than 1080p anyway.

[von uber]

Depends whether you got 3 grand for a good PC rig and are okay living without mods. No question console is by far the more economical approach...even if you factored in the cost of a new flat screen tv.

3 grand? Did they sell you magic beans at the same time?