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Help Trespasser ending just crushed my urge to play this game.


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What next Varric loses his leg?  

If you truly wanted to wound Varric, it would be the loss of his chest hair... he'd just laugh off the loss of an appendage... and probably write a fictitious novel about how it happened. What's a leg in the big scheme of things?



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If you really wanted to hurt Varric, you'd wreck Bianca.



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Because it's just a grappling hook launcher.
 

The grappling hook is just a set of hooks at the end of a bolt. Replace that with a simple pointed version and you have a lethal weapon.



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Found it.  Love Alix in general but this was probably her best VA work, she acted her little heart out here.  And this fits my Inquisitor so perfectly, so defiant, even watching it now I cheered a little.  "So yes, we'll bow, we'll play nice, but not to you."  

The group scene from the 3 minute mark is always out of focus for me.


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Ohhhh you were talking about the choices you made within Trespasser itself.  Most of those can be summed up by '**** happens'.  The player character is not, nor should they be a God. Also the last one is just purely...wrong.  

..which is bad ass.  It turns the Inquisitor into batman. :P

 

We shouldn't? But my Inquisitor specifically proclaimed himself to be god before fighting Corypheus. <_<
 

I never said the Inquisitor should be a god. But it would be nice to have a choice other than merge the Inquisition or /quit.

 

And where do the resources go after the Inquisition disbands if not to the Chantry that reinstituted it in the first place? Sure many soldiers return home, but any who would remain would just join the Chantry. Which is basically the same thing you get if you merge, a reduction in troops and a change of figurehead.

 

Not Batman, unless there is a retraction to pull the (ex)Inquisitor to the hook, which there isn't.



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The grappling hook is just a set of hooks at the end of a bolt. Replace that with a simple pointed version and you have a lethal weapon.

 

It would need to be calibrated properly for that. Even then it would be one shot. Reloading would take a one-handed person way too long. You'd be better off with a prosthetic hand clutching a bow.
 



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Really, OP? I thought the Trespasser ending was a better one than the main game ending. I like the main game ending, but until the after credits scene, my main reaction was "Yes. Good. That was a good ending to this story." The after-credits scene  was the most exciting part of it, and Trespasser made good on that twist; the final confrontation kept me hyped for where the next game is going. And that was after my second playthrough where my opinion of the game overall actually declined, so building my interest back up took extra work.

 

More specifically, I don't get why losing an arm is a part of why you don't like the ending. That's kinda insulting, tbh.


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If you truly wanted to wound Varric, it would be the loss of his chest hair... he'd just laugh off the loss of an appendage... and probably write a fictitious novel about how it happened. What's a leg in the big scheme of things?

Nah, if you wanted to hurt him you'd swap Bianca the crossbow out with daggers and then sell Bianca to some random vendor he'll never see again. 



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I'm at peace now realize I don't have to play trespasser and just go about thinking
My inquisitor is a God. Also to the guy who asked me if their was enough fantasy..never.
My perspective is different I've played mages in games since Gauntlet came out in 1985
And they never get justice due to them. Mages have constantly been nerfed for years in video games.
The only game I've actually seen Mages that were God like powerful were
Diablo 3, Baulders Gate 2, Oblivion, Dark Souls 2 pre nerf.

Did you not play DA:O/DA:A? Blood Wound + Storm of the Century wrecks everything. And if you have Arcane Warrior as well, you're also invincible.



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I'm at peace now realize I don't have to play trespasser and just go about thinking
My inquisitor is a God. Also to the guy who asked me if their was enough fantasy..never.
My perspective is different I've played mages in games since Gauntlet came out in 1985
And they never get justice due to them. Mages have constantly been nerfed for years in video games.
The only game I've actually seen Mages that were God like powerful were
Diablo 3, Baulders Gate 2, Oblivion, Dark Souls 2 pre nerf.

 

I guess you can just bury your head in the sand and pretend it never happened if that will make you happier...

 

I get the feelling Bioware games aren't what you're looking for. They are not supposed to be power fantasies where you become an all powerful God and nothing bad will ever happen to you because you are the most awesomest person to ever walk Thedas. You should try an actual God game if that is what you are after. Bioware games are about interesting stories with flawed characters. 


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Funny, because I was pretty much indestructible with a Knight-Enchanter. I solo'd a dragon when even my tanks went down.

 

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I barely even used the mark in combat. Usually only saved it for boss enemies.


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We shouldn't? But my Inquisitor specifically proclaimed himself to be god before fighting Corypheus. <_<
 

I never said the Inquisitor should be a god. But it would be nice to have a choice other than merge the Inquisition or /quit.

 

And where do the resources go after the Inquisition disbands if not to the Chantry that reinstituted it in the first place? Sure many soldiers return home, but any who would remain would just join the Chantry. Which is basically the same thing you get if you merge, a reduction in troops and a change of figurehead.

 

Not Batman, unless their is a retraction to pull the (ex)Inquisitor to the hook, which there isn't.

But it follows into the same '**** happens' argument.  Sure the Inquisition's soldiers might join the Chantry and some of their resources might go to the Chantry but that is no longer your call.  SInce you disbanded the Inquisition, if you indeed did so, the elements of the former Inquisition are now free to act as free agents.  They are now free, effectively, to make their own choices for themselves.  And indeed most of the Inquisition's resources do seem to just vanish.  Most people, if you disband, pack up their tent and go home or go into some sort of other retirement.  



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I guess you can just bury your head in the sand and pretend it never happened if that will make you happier...

 

I get the feelling Bioware games aren't what you're looking for. They are not supposed to be power fantasies where you become an all powerful God and nothing bad will ever happen to you because you are the most awesomest person to ever walk Thedas. You should try an actual God game if that is what you are after. Bioware games are about interesting stories with flawed characters. 

 

What are you talking about? Ok explain to me this at the end of Mass Effect 1 a freaking reaper and half of the Citadel collapses on Shepard but he somehow  survives and walks out with a hammy. Mass Effect 2 Shepard survives a mission where his chances of survival are less than zero but no that's not a power fantasy at all totally realistic. Come on man it's a videogame set in a fantasy setting it's nothing realistic about it. My problem is what happens at the end of trespasser could have happen 2 years prior. Magically the inquisitor losses his arm when the All mighty Dread Wolf shows up. The same Dread would who constantly got his *ss kicked on nightmare. 



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Funny, because I was pretty much indestructible with a Knight-Enchanter. I solo'd a dragon when even my tanks went down.
 


Yeah, but that's just Bio's typically lousy game balance.

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My problem is what happens at the end of trespasser could have happen 2 years prior.


I think I asked about this upthread. What's the actual problem there?

It could have happened two years earlier. It could have happened three years later. If Cory had given a damn about that design flaw it might not have have happened at all. (Though he was right not to care, since whether his plan worked, or failed, he didn't need to care about what would happen a couple years out.)

But it didn't happen later, or earlier. It happened when it did. What's wrong with that?
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Yeah, but that's just Bio's typically lousy game balance.

 

I realise the KE is overpowered. That was merely a reaction to OP's claims that mages get nerfed. Maybe it's just me but I think DA mages kick a lot of ass in general.



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Ah, gotcha. I've never personally played a KE, precisely because I've heard they're OP. Vivienne isn't, at least not when under AI control.
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Ah, gotcha. I've never personally played a KE, precisely because I've heard they're OP. Vivienne isn't, at least not when under AI control.

 

I think the imbalance is caused by the fact that dealing damage builds your barriers. So as long as you're wreaking havoc, you're good.

 

I had no idea during my first playthrough. I picked it because I liked the sound of it. I wasn't disappointed, though. I realise it probably doesn't require much skill to play well, but given that it combines magic and melee, it's rather dynamic and fun to play, in my opinion. But, yeah, probably not crazy challenging.



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You know I find Assassin Rogue with a bow more over powered...



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What are you talking about? Ok explain to me this at the end of Mass Effect 1 a freaking reaper and half of the Citadel collapses on Shepard but he somehow  survives and walks out with a hammy. Mass Effect 2 Shepard survives a mission where his chances of survival are less than zero but no that's not a power fantasy at all totally realistic. Come on man it's a videogame set in a fantasy setting it's nothing realistic about it. My problem is what happens at the end of trespasser could have happen 2 years prior. Magically the inquisitor losses his arm when the All mighty Dread Wolf shows up. The same Dread would who constantly got his *ss kicked on nightmare. 

 

Mass Effect isn't Dragon Age, its going for a completely different tone. I guess you think Game of Thrones is also terrible because bad stuff happens in it? Just because something has a fantasy setting, doesn't mean it has to be a power fantasy. Good stories don't always have a happily ever after. 

 

I've already told you why the mark started acting up when it did, and how Solas wasn't anymore powerful than he acted during the main game, not sure why you are repeating these points. 


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Mass Effect isn't Dragon Age, its going for a completely different tone. I guess you think Game of Thrones is also terrible because bad stuff happens in it? Just because something has a fantasy setting, doesn't mean it has to be a power fantasy. Good stories don't always have a happily ever after. 

 

I've already told you why the mark started acting up when it did, and how Solas wasn't anymore powerful than he acted during the main game, not sure why you are repeating these points. 

The best stories have a happy ending but a compromised happy ending.  You win, but the cost is high to get there. 


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I didn't exactly hate it, I was pretty meh about it. I was mostly pissed at how some romance endings were handled. I also wish we had more options regarding the fate of the inquisition.



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The best stories have a happy ending but a compromised happy ending.  You win, but the cost is high to get there. 

 

Some of my favourite stories have happy endings, some have sad endings. I don't think either is inherently good or bad, its all about how well its handled and how fitting it is with the rest of the story.


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You know I find Assassin Rogue with a bow more over powered...

 

I have no idea which class is the most powerful. You may be right. I haven't really read anything about it and I've only finished one playthrough so far. All that said, I've started my second playthrough recently with an Archer and taken the Assassin specialisation, so I'll see how it goes. Seems like I have a lucky hand. Or "lucky" hand...?



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I have no idea which class is the most powerful. You may be right. I haven't really read anything about it and I've only finished one playthrough so far. All that said, I've started my second playthrough recently with an Archer and taken the Assassin specialisation, so I'll see how it goes. Seems like I have a lucky hand. Or "lucky" hand...?

I just really appreciate being able to stealth your way out of trouble.  I mean the Rogue is not as tanky as the KE but you can do like 4K + in damage.  And sneak away. 


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