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[Iakus]

Mass Effect: Andromeda Plot Summary

Become Space Trump or Space Bernie Sanders.

Make Andromeda Great Again!

or

Feel the Mass...Effect.

[Iakus]

Ahh poor baby. 

 

Bioware made a choice to expand the franchise because the Milky Way was already too crowded for various reasons. I see no way to make a 4th game in the MW interesting, or even anything beyond a money grab based on the ME name. I'm not saying they didn't make mistakes, but I am glad they have to guts to change the franchise's setting rather than taking the easy route of just cannonizing an ending or skipping 4k years in the future and having everything be homogenized. 

Too crowded?

 

Less than 1% of the Milky Way had been explored by ME3.  And we had only seen a handful of worlds in that 1%

 

Going to Andromeda is already making a "Mass Effect in Name Only" game barring some extremely fancy footwork from the storytelling department ("Oh, look! Yet another Prothean artifact!")

[Killroy]

Too crowded?

Less than 1% of the Milky Way had been explored by ME3. And we had only seen a handful of worlds in that 1%

But 100% of the Milky Way is ****ed up thanks to Casey Hudson and Wac Malters.

[The Night Haunter]

Really? Not a single way to make a game in the MW - with all its established history, lore and places - interesting? Not one?

And yet you don't think Andromeda is a money grab?

 

Blimey.

Making a game in the MW would be the money grab. There is nothing left to do in the MW without blatantly ignoring ME3 or cannonizing an ending. If they made another game in the MW it would be just to milk the franchise. Moving to Andromeda is the harder choice, as it makes people angry about leaving the established galaxy, and is the only way to really progress the series.

 

They could do prequels and that would be fine by me (playing a Turian in the Krogan Rebellions for instance), but future games in the MW are doomed by ME3's vastly different and incredibly pervasive endings.

[The Night Haunter]

Too crowded?

 

Less than 1% of the Milky Way had been explored by ME3.  And we had only seen a handful of worlds in that 1%

 

Going to Andromeda is already making a "Mass Effect in Name Only" game barring some extremely fancy footwork from the storytelling department ("Oh, look! Yet another Prothean artifact!")

 

 

But 100% of the Milky Way is ****ed up thanks to Casey Hudson and Wac Malters.

This ^

 

Plus the galaxy map in ME3 takes us all across the galaxy, even though we've only seen a small part of the galaxy the way it was presented makes it appear like we've been everywhere in the MW. The whole Mass Relay system do a lot to make space smaller.

 

I don't buy into the whole 'ME in name only' thing, we know nothing about the game apart from the fact that it takes place in Andromeda. Was Voyager Star Trek in name only because it was in the Delta Quadrant rather than Alpha/Beta? The concept is the same.

[straykat]

But 100% of the Milky Way is ****ed up thanks to Casey Hudson and Wac Malters.

 

That's one way of looking at it. I'd also say 100 percent of MW is "complete". Because Hudson just envisioned a story, first and foremost. And it's over... not necessarily ruined. It's only screwed up when we project our own wishes on it.

 

As much as I wanted a world and wish they hadn't done that, it was always just a story. Now they realize what it could have been, but..it feels kind of late to me, personally.

[Iakus]

This ^

 

"Tell me another story about the Shepard"

 

It's just a story being told to a kid.  None of it has to be true.

 

 

 

Plus the galaxy map in ME3 takes us all across the galaxy, even though we've only seen a small part of the galaxy the way it was presented makes it appear like we've been everywhere in the MW. The whole Mass Relay system do a lot to make space smaller.

 

So?

 

There's more to England than London.  There's more to Australia than Sydney.  There's more to Brazil than Rio De Janeiro.  Visiting one tiny section of a region doesn't mean you've seen it all.  And this is one country, let alone thousands of light years worth of space, containing millions of stars.

 

 

I don't buy into the whole 'ME in name only' thing, we know nothing about the game apart from the fact that it takes place in Andromeda. Was Voyager Star Trek in name only because it was in the Delta Quadrant rather than Alpha/Beta? The concept is the same.

It was one of the cr*ppier Star Trek series...

[The Night Haunter]

"Tell me another story about the Shepard"
 
It's just a story being told to a kid.  None of it has to be true.

While that is true, it would anger just as many people for ME3 to be handwaved away as a bed time story as it would to move to Andromeda, and imo be a worse choice. 'Oops the game was bad, let's pretend it didn't happen'.
 

There's more to England than London.  There's more to Australia than Sydney.  There's more to Brazil than Rio De Janeiro.  Visiting one tiny section of a region doesn't mean you've seen it all.  And this is one country, let alone thousands of light years worth of space, containing millions of stars.

True, but this a case of perception vs reality. If they limit the game to one corner of the Milky Way and expand it to be more 'deep' then people will wonder why they can travel all the way to the other side of the galaxy faster than they can travel a few systems distance within a sector. It isn't the best argument, but it does have merit as a reason for the move (although to be honest it by itself doesn't mean much, there need to be other better reasons to justify the move, which in this case is the ME3 ending).
 

It was one of the cr*ppier Star Trek series...

I'd disagree with you there But I generally prefer more 'serial' shows where what happens in a previous episode informs future episodes, whereas TNG (the second best of the Star Trek shows imo) was more 'independent' just pick an episode and watch and you'll probably know everything needed for that episode as there are generally only 4-5 episodes per season that have ongoing plots (Worf and the Klingnon succession issues, the Cardassian problems, very limited Troy and Riker stuff, the Maqui {sp?}).
I'm not gonna argue which Star Trek was the best as that is personal choice (I also felt DS9 wasn't all bad, the episodes focusing on Garak where awesome), but Voyager was very 'Star Treky', despite its location change.

[Killroy]

That's one way of looking at it. I'd also say 100 percent of MW is "complete". Because Hudson just envisioned a story, first and foremost. And it's over... not necessarily ruined. It's only screwed up when we project our own wishes on it.

As much as I wanted a world and wish they hadn't done that, it was always just a story. Now they realize what it could have been, but..it feels kind of late to me, personally.

You're just dancing around the issue. The entire galaxy was hit with the Crucible's wave. There's no arguing with that.

[straykat]

You're just dancing around the issue. The entire galaxy was hit with the Crucible's wave. There's no arguing with that.

 

The crucible didn't destroy the galaxy. The reaper plot did. The Milky Way was doomed from the getgo, but none of us really want to believe that. I don't think I'm dancing about that at least. I can't think of it any other way now. We all played Shepard as some badass optimist, viewing this plot as a mere hump in the road to future things in Mass Effect. But the plot WAS Mass Effect. And the writers were self-destructive from the start. That crazy scientist on Eden Prime calls it right from the beginning. And Saren too.

[KaiAdamori]

The crucible didn't destroy the galaxy. The reaper plot did. The Milky Way was doomed from the getgo, but none of us really want to believe that. I don't think I'm dancing about that at least. I can't think of it any other way now. We all played Shepard as some badass optimist, viewing this plot as a mere hump in the road to future things in Mass Effect. But the plot WAS Mass Effect. And the writers were self-destructive from the start. That crazy scientist on Eden Prime calls it right from the beginning. And Saren too.

 

True. I liked the reaper storyline and concept, but as with any, ultimate opponent. it's next to impossible to come up with something to surpass it, should the franchise be continued. I don't think BW really understood how hugely successful ME was actually going to be. EA ofcourse couldn't pass up the chance to milk the cash cow.

 

It could have been worse though. We could be in a situation  that most MMO's (those with storylines anyway) are in, in that they have "world shattering" events take place one after the other, without anything ever really changing despite that fact. The big bad is followed by and ever more terrible big bad and then another, like they are just waiting in the wings for their turn. Tried getting into WOW but it wasn't my cup of tea but I sometimes followed it's evolution (I liked the original games and lore, which has been royaly screwed) and all I can say is, how can so many apocalyptic events take place in a game world before people start to wonder and ask, "WTF? seriously?!"

[The Ascendant]

The Reaper War was arguable the most cataclysmic event in the history of the Milky Way. Truths were revealed to be lies. Institutions that stood for centuries, millenia even failed again and again. Untold billions wiped out. Near extinction of entire races. Those who survived would've been a fraction of a fraction, realizing just how powerless and insignificant they were in the grand scheme of things. 

Little wonder why we seek a new home and a new destiny in a new galaxy. A chance for a new beginning, a better tomorrow. I know it sounds cheesy, but remaining in the Milky Way, the shadows of the Reapers would remain forever, no matter how much Shepard helped. Andromeda is a chance to reinvent ourselves and forge a new destiny, one for ourselves. No interference from the Protheans and no Reapers to harvest and limit us, we finally have a chance to take fate into our own hands.

[Killroy]

The crucible didn't destroy the galaxy. The reaper plot did. The Milky Way was doomed from the getgo, but none of us really want to believe that. I don't think I'm dancing about that at least. I can't think of it any other way now. We all played Shepard as some badass optimist, viewing this plot as a mere hump in the road to future things in Mass Effect. But the plot WAS Mass Effect. And the writers were self-destructive from the start. That crazy scientist on Eden Prime calls it right from the beginning. And Saren too.

You are dancing around the issue because you're talking about distinctions without differences and treating the writing of the story as somehow not determined by writers. The crappy story didn't just happen. it wasn't predetermined by ME1.

[KaiAdamori]

The Reaper War was arguable the most cataclysmic event in the history of the Milky Way. Truths were revealed to be lies. Institutions that stood for centuries, millenia even failed again and again. Untold billions wiped out. Near extinction of entire races. Those who survived would've been a fraction of a fraction, realizing just how powerless and insignificant they were in the grand scheme of things. 

Little wonder why we seek a new home and a new destiny in a new galaxy. A chance for a new beginning, a better tomorrow. I know it sounds cheesy, but remaining in the Milky Way, the shadows of the Reapers would remain forever, no matter how much Shepard helped. Andromeda is a chance to reinvent ourselves and forge a new destiny, one for ourselves. No interference from the Protheans and no Reapers to harvest and limit us, we finally have a chance to take fate into our own hands.

 

Yeah I have to agree. Fresh slate is the best bet. Hopefully the storyline for the Andromeda galaxy will be a little more balanced in terms of magnitude and pace.

[frylock23]

 

It's just a story being told to a kid.  None of it has to be true.

 

As much as you are essentially correct about that, it would be as bad in its own way as when someone shot J.R. and at the end of the arc, a character in the show woke up and the "big reveal" was that it was all a dream.

 

Imagine ... Joker wakes up in the Normandy before going to his shift at the beginning of the real Mass Effect 2. He's had the this really bad dream about Shepard dying ... twice. But it turns out it was all a dream, and he shakes his head and says, "That's the last time I ever experiment with asari anchovies on my pizza again!"

[goishen]

For the next trilogy, I can kind'a see wanting to keep it in the same galaxy.  In other words, you would feel kind'a like this one, if it was in the same galaxy, was too much of, "Been there, done that."  The next trilogy is where I can see it starting to regain some of that luster.  Here what they'll prolly do is towards the end of the third game (7, for those that are still calling it ME4) is they'll prolly come back to the MW galaxy. 

 

BioWare just doesn't want the "newness" to wear off quite yet, and going to Andromeda is one way of guaranteeing that.

[Valhallix]

There is no Mass Effect without Vakarian.

 

 

The Reaper War was arguable the most cataclysmic event in the history of the Milky Way. Truths were revealed to be lies. Institutions that stood for centuries, millenia even failed again and again. Untold billions wiped out. Near extinction of entire races. Those who survived would've been a fraction of a fraction, realizing just how powerless and insignificant they were in the grand scheme of things. 

 

You haven't seen how fast Krogan can pop them out.

 

Also wiped out near extinction? This was an age where several species have already colonized several worlds. Even if Earth was completely destroyed there'd still be humans. For god sake the Asari don't even need others in the same species to procreate. Then there's also cloning. 

[SKAR]

So either become insane or ignored?

Bernie Sanders is awesome. But I'll leave the rest of the politics talk at the politics forum.

[Killroy]

Bernie Sanders is awesome. But I'll leave the rest of the politics talk at the politics forum.

 

His awesomeness gets him no media attention. He's treated like a second-rate Ralph Nader despite running a better campaign, having higher favoribility and having more momentum than Hillary.

[SKAR]

His awesomeness gets him no media attention. He's treated like a second-rate Ralph Nader despite running a better campaign, having higher favoribility and having more momentum than Hillary.

Its a shame.

[Laughing_Man]

Hmm... I wish to see Trump wins the election, if only for entertainment value and to see the faces of all those that claim that he is apocalypse incarnate...

 

What an election, choose between the incompetent, the crook, and the clown. Lucky that I'm not an american.

[Killroy]

Hmm... I wish to see Trump wins the election, if only for entertainment value and to see the faces of all those that claim that he is apocalypse incarnate...

What an election, choose between the incompetent, the crook, and the clown. Lucky that I'm not an american.

...which one is incompetent and which one is a crook? Both also describe Trump so I'm confused.

[Laughing_Man]

...which one is incompetent and which one is a crook? Both also describe Trump so I'm confused.

 

Maybe, or maybe not. It still fits the others very well.

[Dubozz]

Watch out guys, this thread can lead to some unpredictable consequences.

 

Meanwhile in bioware.

[SKAR]

Hmm... I wish to see Trump wins the election, if only for entertainment value and to see the faces of all those that claim that he is apocalypse incarnate...

What an election, choose between the incompetent, the crook, and the clown. Lucky that I'm not an american.

I'd rather not live in a world where he is the leader of a country. Luckily, this world isn't short of assassins. Someone is bound to take him out. But let's end this conversation.