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David Gaider leaves BioWare, now the Creative Director at Beamdog


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#176
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Didn’t care for his seemingly built-in resentment and awful messages to anyone who even dared disagree with him, his messages on the forums (back in the day when the development team actually posted on the forums) were petty and condescending to anyone who didn't bow down and ostentatiously kiss his ass. He was all too easily drawn into a troll war, most of which he lost.

 

 

 

I sort of agree with that he could come as terse and quite condescending to those who offered valid criticism. On the other hand his handling of actual trolls and those who bashed the games just for the sake of it was always enjoyable.

 

I'd far rather go back to the days of the Devs actually engaging in the forums, even if means the occasional bit of snark, than what we have now.


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The first game was about foiling an invasion of zombie-orcs under the command of a demonic dragon-god with the help of wizards, paladins, elves, dwarves, and possibly even werewolves and rock-people. Flemeth was integral to the plot a couple of hours into the game and her intrigues continue throughout the game. Enchanted items and haunted places were plentiful. Magic was everywhere.

Dragon Age was never like you describe.

the darkspawn war was a generic background threat to play game of thrones with the different factions. It could have been a qunari army instead of darkspawn and the whole plot still stood.

 

Maybe it's you who really did not "get" what DA:O was.


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#178
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We've all had some fine times roaming about in your head, Mr. Gaider.

 

Good luck and positive excitement with whatever you're about to do next!



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Creatives need to shake themselves up I guess.

 

The Dragon Age writing has been feeling "tired" since DA2, the banter is less memorable and fresh with each game and the plots went away from low fantasy to become high fantasy dragon ball Z style.

 

Dragon Age needs a Gaiderless reboot, like Tomb Raider.

 

Re-do the setting, throw away the flemeth's, fenharels, and old gods.

 

Just political intrigues, death, treachery, passion, war. Magic and gods should be secondary and not the center of the game.

Dragon age was always meant to be an high fantasy world.
However i suppose that Inquisition took that on the next level with all this "gods" running around.


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Dragon age was always meant to be an high fantasy world.
However i suppose that Inquisition took that on the next level with all this "gods" running around.

 

http://kotaku.com/51...y-in-dragon-age


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#181
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You may be done with Flemmeth, but she isn't done with you.

 

That's a thing to remember. David Gaider may have held some plot lines sacred and his fascination with Morrigan exceeds all bounds of common sense, but there are some concepts we aren't done with just yet. Until we figure out what, precisely, went on in that last scene of the DAI epilogue, Flemmeth is stil entirely relevant.

if i recall correctly Gaider only wrote FLemeth for DAI and not for DAO,but maybe i'm mistaken.



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Gaider really left a mark on me and my standards for well-written characters and stories.

Thanks for the journey(s). I'm wishing him the very very best for his work enriched my life in many ways.


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It depends on how you want to look at it. I completely understand him  because in DAO it is a lot easier to focus on how Logain's plots against you are vital to the story while in DAI Orlais seems just forced. Of course DAO had all magic and stuff but the "big badie" was not the Arch Demon and not even logain, it was politics and personal grudges, they were the decisive matters (who reigns over orzammar? how to deal with zatrian? to kill or save the mages? and so on).
In DAI there are political things BUT all part of the plot of the "big bad", see the difference? Each and every main plot mission is caused by magic or supernatural things, even the mission that had potential to be political.
In DAO it is the opposite, even missions where magic is the central theme they were not "magically connected" to your mission, they were just there, a part of a living world that got in your way, that's how real life works, you want some things but there are other things in your way, DAO was more "organic" or "alive" in this sense.

Orzammar is having a problem that was not caused by the Archdemon neither by Loghain. Same for the mages/templars and the dalish. They were living and dealing with their problems and you met them along with their problems. This kind of story is more realistic because of its nature, it mimics the casualness/causalness of real life instead of the neurotic paranoia of "everything have a meaning and is connected to you" aka "the chosen one" from Inquisition. I'm not talking about being or not herald of Andraste (since we know what it really was), I'm talking about the big baddie being behind everything wrong, and later in Trespasser it becomes even more ridiculous.

So this is the thing, there is more realism in a story that things "just happen to be in your way" filled with fairies, easter bunnies and santa claus than in a spy movie where there is a villain making everything wrong happen. People could be more healthy, abandon this kind of fiction where someone always plots against you, it is childish, that's not how life works. Yeah there maybe someone against you (Loghain) but not everything that happens in your life is because of this person (DAI main villain and Trespasser "villain")

I think that's one of the best  criticisms towards DAI


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#184
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Best of luck David. Wherever you'll go, I'm sure you'll write awesome characters like you always did.

Regarding what will happen to the DA franchise: the new lead writer is Patrick Weekes, so I don't see why someone would be worried about the future. 



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That's a real shame.

 

Farewell and good luck, Gaider. Thanks for all the special moments you helped create that brought me joy in simply gaming.



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Hope he'll be happy wherever he is heading to. But that's an indeed sad turn of events to Bioware. The end of an era?



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Hope he'll be happy wherever he is heading to. But that's an indeed sad turn of events to Bioware. The end of an era?

I sorta blame the toxicity of the fandom for his departure, honestly.


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This is very upsetting but he's such amazing writer, I wish him well. 



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good riddance i say, He was one of the more militant SJW types. 


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good riddance i say, He was one of the more militant SJW types. 

 

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good riddance i say, He was one of the more militant SJW types. 

What? Seriously, is that the only ****  you ******* care about? Even though they have catered to the straight fans more than the gay fans, you're going to ignore that? I really can't shake the feeling that some of your types on this forum are more concerned about pushing your own radical sjw agenda on video games rather than actually focusing on the game itself, the characters, world building and lore, politics and setting, environment and music, replayability, etc.


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Aww I thought he was just recently assigned to their IP. I wonder what happened.

 

Oh well, best wishes for you, Gaider!

 

Not that I have anything against Patrick, but ME took a nosedive when Drew left, hopefully DA will not suffer the same fate.



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On a personal level, good luck Mr Gaider - may your life be wholesome, good, happy and fruitful from now on.

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good riddance i say, He was one of the more militant SJW types.


Militant? While I disagree with DG on this and some other issues, he is one of the best spokespeople for a reasoned, civil defense of an opinion that I have encountered. Humor goes a long way with me, too.

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Aww I thought he was just recently assigned to their IP. I wonder what happened.

 

Oh well, best wishes for you, Gaider!

 

Not that I have anything against Patrick, but ME took a nosedive when Drew left, hopefully DA will not suffer the same fate.

Not to derail this thread, but ME started taking a nosedive even when Drew was still there. And other talented writers left prior to his departure that severely impacted the quality of the setting imo.



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My interest in the new IP just skyrocketed.

 

Still, thank you for some of your work and it's good to see everyone ending in good terms.



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My interest in the new IP just skyrocketed.
 
Still, thank you for some of your work and it's good to see everyone ending in good terms.


Me too.

I must confess to being a bit worried about where he's going next, though. The genre is experiencing something of a minor resurgence at the moment, there are some games/series around that I would dearly like to continue unmolested by romances et cetera.

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They're kind of in a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation now.

If they do, it may look to some that DG was blocking it - even though he has denied it, if they don't, well people like yourself still miss out.

 

At the end of the day, they've just got to go with what works best for their characters. If they keep multirace protags- which I think they should, then I think a Dwarven romance should be available for the Dwarves. But then that opens up the next can of worms, what if the protag is female and Scout Harding (for example) was the romancable option for a dwarf, that's not going to work for everyone either.

I doubt many would make the connection that DG leaving and DA4 having a dwarf romance are related. Some on the forums yes, but we're generally a vocal minority and see conspiracies everywhere. And DAI seemed to build up Harding as a logical LI in the next game, so if she's an option, then DG was still involved when her character was created.

 

They'll do whatever they want, and people will think whatever they want to think. Just like always. I doubt that whether or not it will give people the wrong idea about David Gaider will be a factor in deciding whether or not there's a dwarf romance :) .

 

 

 

 

They're never going to come up with a set of romance options that work for everyone - even with eight choices in Inquisition, the forums are full of people complaining that there was no-one that worked for their character.

 

I think there's a very good chance that Harding will be a bisexual, ungated love interest in DA4 - nothing to do with David Gaider leaving, I just think the wind is blowing in that direction. And I would be delighted with that, even though I usually romance male characters first. (To be honest, at this point I would be happy if they brought Oghren back and made him a love interest. I feel that we have gone a decade or so past the point where I could afford to be picky about what kind of dwarf romance I get.)

You had me up until the Oghren romance :sick:



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David Gaider @davidgaider

After a good night's sleep and an early workout, things feel much better. I am ready to be unemployed. For a bit.


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