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[HSomCokeSniper]

The reasons of leaving,is the fear to lose the war against Reaper,and so,destruction of all species.

What if,when they discovered the plans of Crucible on Mars,they also found the plan for the ARK,and use for backup in case they lose the war?

No, I don't mean the reasons for leaving. I mean the reasons for leaving to Andromeda.

 

Where would they go? Why would they go there? There would need to be some implication of previous travellers or information about indigenous Andromeda cultures.

Otherwise it would make more sense to hide in some of the couple hundred billion unexplored star systems in the Milky Way rather than travel 2M lightyears to a potentially deserted galaxy twice the size.

[Chealec]

No, I don't mean the reasons for leaving. I mean the reasons for leaving to Andromeda.

 

Where would they go? Why would they go there? There would need to be some implication of previous travellers or information about indigenous Andromeda cultures.

Otherwise it would make more sense to hide in some of the couple hundred billion unexplored star systems in the Milky Way rather than travel 2M lightyears to a potentially deserted galaxy twice the size.

 

Perhaps because Andromeda is on it's way here (kinda) ... the Milky Way and Andromeda are on a collision course so maybe they figure hey, if we go there and multiply, Terraform (or Tuchankaform or whatever) every planet, then by the time Andromeda collides with the Milky Way we'll be so super-friggin' awesome that no giant robo-cuttlefish would be able to stop us!

 

People are fully of utterly stupid ideas... so I'll just add this one to the mix.

[AlanC9]

Otherwise it would make more sense to hide in some of the couple hundred billion unexplored star systems in the Milky Way rather than travel 2M lightyears to a potentially deserted galaxy twice the size.

"Unexplored" there means unexplored by the Citadel races, not unexplored by the Reapers. And "deserted" is a good thing, isn't it?

Hiding out in the Milky Way might theoretically work as long as you don't try to colonize garden worlds. In practice, though.... well, if it could work, then why couldn't any previous cycle get it to work?

[AutumnRose]

But what the best ending would be is shooting that little twerp. This causes the reapers to still exist. Run to andromeda for help, they are all primitives. You uplift them and teach them to fight the reapers

[Navasha]

Nope, can almost guarantee that the whole point of moving the franchise to Andromeda is to avoid canonizing the endings.    They way they wrote them, they literally "painted themselves into a corner" as far as the Milky Way goes.  

 

Each ending would require a completely different game to make it work if they were to stay in the Milky Way.

[HSomCokeSniper]

"Unexplored" there means unexplored by the Citadel races, not unexplored by the Reapers. And "deserted" is a good thing, isn't it?

Hiding out in the Milky Way might theoretically work as long as you don't try to colonize garden worlds. In practice, though.... well, if it could work, then why couldn't any previous cycle get it to work?

The problem isn't being deserted per se but rather the sheer size of the Galaxy and the limits of conventional FTL travel.

There are an estimated 500 billion to 1 trillion stars on Andromeda (depends on the source). Let that number sink in for awhile.

 

You talk about colonizing garden worlds.

My point is, the expedition could comb those stars a thousand years and not find a single garden world or come across any intelligent lifeforms.

There must be a reason for their destination and it better not be "let's just travel 2,5M lightyears and start combing the star systems from that corner there because Reapers and Shepard."

[AlanC9]

The problem isn't being deserted per se but rather the sheer size of the Galaxy and the limits of conventional FTL travel.
There are an estimated 500 billion to 1 trillion stars on Andromeda (depends on the source). Let that number sink in for awhile.

Hey, you're the one who said "deserted." I figured you actually meant deserted.

So now it's size? What's wrong with the size of Andromeda that isn't wrong with staying in the Milky Way? Lots of stars here, too. The uncharted areas of the Milky Way aren't any better than Andromeda in this regard. The only difference is that there will be Reapers here. The charted areas would make it easier, but that just means the Reapers catch you right away.

You talk about colonizing garden worlds.
My point is, the expedition could comb those stars a thousand years and not find a single garden world or come across any intelligent lifeforms.

What's your evidence that the ratio of garden worlds to stars is anything like that low? The ME galaxy maps don't support such a conclusion. And again, moving to Andromeda won't make this problem worse, and the size of Andromeda can't hurt either.

There must be a reason for their destination and it better not be "let's just travel 2,5M lightyears and start combing the star systems from that corner there because Reapers and Shepard."

Why is "no Reapers" not a valid reason?

TL;DR: what problem does staying in the Milky Way solve, and how would you deal with the Reapers if you did stay?

[Mistic]

My point is, the expedition could comb those stars a thousand years and not find a single garden world or come across any intelligent lifeforms.

There must be a reason for their destination and it better not be "let's just travel 2,5M lightyears and start combing the star systems from that corner there because Reapers and Shepard."

 

Spending a thousand years in a never-ending travel through Andromeda is still a much, much better fate than extinction by Reapers.

 

We must remember what the situation was like in ME3. Not only because the most likely scenario was a total Reaper victory (so anything better than that was acceptable), but because the "why Andromeda and not another idea?" is a false dichotomy. Are we already forgetting that we spent most of ME3 gathering people and resources for a very different project to avoid extinction?

 

If the Ark theory is proven right, it means that the Council races didn't put all the eggs in one basket, so it wouldn't be far-fetched to think that they also tried to hide some secret colonies in the MW. Or even build another Ark.

[Gago]

What I think is a good idea to happen is : we get contacted from the MW galaxy near the end of MEA and have the Council, Liara or someone else explain us what is going on over there or hell maybe they even visit us. Then show some cinematics about life, relationships, the races, the galaxy order and etc.

 

You picked Destroy, no Reapers and the galaxy is still rebuilding (depends on your EMS in ME3), Control and the Reapers fly nearby and the galaxy is rebuild, Synthesis and everyone has green eyes and the races have made quite an advancement in technology. 

 

This way BW shows how your decisions affected the galaxy in the future and no headaches about which ending is canon or ignoring the final and most important decision in the trilogy. Choosing a canon ending will ultimately p*ss off many of the fans no matter which one it is. 

[wright1978]

What I think is a good idea to happen is : we get contacted from the MW galaxy near the end of MEA and have the Council, Liara or someone else explain us what is going on over there or hell maybe they even visit us. Then show some cinematics about life, relationships, the races, the galaxy order and etc.

 

You picked Destroy, no Reapers and the galaxy is still rebuilding (depends on your EMS in ME3), Control and the Reapers fly nearby and the galaxy is rebuild, Synthesis and everyone has green eyes and the races have made quite an advancement in technology. 

 

This way BW shows how your decisions affected the galaxy in the future and no headaches about which ending is canon or ignoring the final and most important decision in the trilogy. Choosing a canon ending will ultimately p*ss off many of the fans no matter which one it is. 

 

If they do show anything i doubt it'll be anything near this major. Dinding something small like a brief message from the milky way future might be possible but that would depend on them giving us some sort of mechanic to pick what ending we'd selected in the previous trilogy.

[HSomCokeSniper]

Nevermind...

[AlanC9]

Damn. This was just getting good.

[Spectr61]

Ark to Andromeda to hedge against Reaper's winning.

While exploring there, find descendants of previous Milky Way cycle that had their own same Ark idea.

Get together with them, return to Milky Way.

Find that in our cycle shooting the spacekid twerp is Canon, everybody died, next gen found Liara's beacons, learned all about Shep et. al., kicked Reaper's arse, now looking for us.

[OutlawJT]

Nope, can almost guarantee that the whole point of moving the franchise to Andromeda is to avoid canonizing the endings.    They way they wrote them, they literally "painted themselves into a corner" as far as the Milky Way goes.  

 

Each ending would require a completely different game to make it work if they were to stay in the Milky Way.

 

 

I completely disagree. All it would require to avoid a canon ending while staying in the Milky Way is to do a sizeable time skip. Long enough for Liari to get old would be enough. In that amount of time all three endings could lead to a very similar world state, requiring only minor tweeks to dialogue here and there. It's also long enough that whatever did really happen could have become ambiguous legend. With all of the destruction in the galaxy, regardless of ending, it's easy to say accurate records of the war don't exist. The homeworld of all the major species were ravaged with destruction after all.

 

Choose the destroy ending? Plenty of time to rebuild the Geth IF they actually were destroyed (not confirmed to my knowledge). Synthesis? Plenty of time for evolution and procreation to reassert each species' physical traits regarding appearance, so no green glowy eyes. Anything other than synthesis? Plenty of time for all known species to adopt synthetic augmentation, perhaps if for no other reason than to make their species more resilient against any future threats like the reapers. Everything can be easily explained and worked together with the passage of time!

[LinksOcarina]

It isn't? As far as theories go, it solves practically every problem Bioware may have and it would be a perfect starting point for newcomers. So it's not just that it may be narratively desirable, but it would be desirable from a purely game-developing point of view.

 

Not to everyone no, it's another "lets join Cerberus" type of idea that only works if you believe it makes sense because it is forcing the issue. 

 

The kind of idea a lot of people tend to hate around here from my observations. For me I don't care either way, but to presume it is the only "good" idea is a bit much. 

[Mistic]

Not to everyone no, it's another "lets join Cerberus" type of idea that only works if you believe it makes sense because it is forcing the issue. 

 

The kind of idea a lot of people tend to hate around here from my observations. For me I don't care either way, but to presume it is the only "good" idea is a bit much. 

 

I'm curious. Which problems doesn't the Ark theory solve? And mind you, I said problems "Bioware may have". I've never presumed that it was the only good idea, just that it's so far the best theory so far from a certain point of view. The Ark theory forces the issue far less than making any given ending canon or minimizing supposedly major player choices, so that would at least alienate less potential buyers.

 

After all, if it's a matter of wishes, four different games for every possible ending would be the ideal solution, but I don't delude myself into thinking it makes sense from a business perspective.

[AlanC9]

Choose the destroy ending? Plenty of time to rebuild the Geth IF they actually were destroyed (not confirmed to my knowledge). Synthesis? Plenty of time for evolution and procreation to reassert each species' physical traits regarding appearance, so no green glowy eyes. Anything other than synthesis? Plenty of time for all known species to adopt synthetic augmentation, perhaps if for no other reason than to make their species more resilient against any future threats like the reapers. Everything can be easily explained and worked together with the passage of time!

So, your way of respecting the choices would be to contrive a way for them to not actually matter?

[HSomCokeSniper]

Damn. This was just getting good.

I already wrote an elaborate wall of text with some probability calculations and then decided not to bother. Hence the edit.

[DarthSliver]

Ark to Andromeda to hedge against Reaper's winning.

While exploring there, find descendants of previous Milky Way cycle that had their own same Ark idea.

Get together with them, return to Milky Way.

Find that in our cycle shooting the spacekid twerp is Canon, everybody died, next gen found Liara's beacons, learned all about Shep et. al., kicked Reaper's arse, now looking for us.

I like this theory, combines Ark Theory with insane return to the Milky Way lol

[Khrystyn]

I've removed my comment because I feel it was off topic.

[Iakus]

 
So now it's size? What's wrong with the size of Andromeda that isn't wrong with staying in the Milky Way? Lots of stars here, too. The uncharted areas of the Milky Way aren't any better than Andromeda in this regard. The only difference is that there will be Reapers here. The charted areas would make it easier, but that just means the Reapers catch you right away.
 

The Milky Way already has homeworlds and colonies.  Not to mention a not-fully-explored mass relay system.  In Andromeda were going to be literally "human quarians" with no homeworld and have to find some place to put our civilians if we're going to go fight something.

 

 

 

What's your evidence that the ratio of garden worlds to stars is anything like that low? The ME galaxy maps don't support such a conclusion. And again, moving to Andromeda won't make this problem worse, and the size of Andromeda can't hurt either.

 

Messing up a garden world in Mass Effect is considered a "big deal"  Part of the reason for the genophage was the krogans dropping asteroids on two of them.  They're not all that common.

 

Moving to Andromeda means we're starting with no garden world.  No home.  No base to return to for repairs or refueling.  And the good real estate is likely to be spoken for (barring immortal space Cthulhu harvesting everyone recently).

 

 

 

Why is "no Reapers" not a valid reason?
TL;DR: what problem does staying in the Milky Way solve, and how would you deal with the Reapers if you did stay?

 

For myself:

 

Staying in the Milky Way keeps the setting familiar while allowing for pushing back the edges of the map a bit.  As opposed to Andromeda which burns the map and brings out another one, yet insisting it's the same thing.

 

Deal with the Reapers by ignoring them.  This isn't their story.  They were stopped.  They went away.  How isn't important.

[Iakus]

Why go to Andromeda?  masseffect.wikia notes the following and this got me thinking:

 

"Very little is known about the origins of the Prothean race; even the name and location of their homeworld has been lost to history. It is unknown precisely when Prothean civilization arose and how long it persisted, but one of their communication devices discovered on the planet Fehl Prime has been dated to as early as 68,000 BCE. After achieving spaceflight, the Protheans discovered the ruins of a previous spacefaring race, the inusannon, and from those ruins learned about mass effect physics and developed FTL technology." "The inusannon were a spacefaring race that existed at least 127,000 years ago. Little is known about them...."

 

Would this draw your attention to Andromeda?  Are the Protheans or the inusannon already there?  Let's explore our past in the future.

 

If the Protheans or Inusannon are already there, then the Reapers are even more incompetent than ME3 made me think they were.

[NM_Che56]

Here:

 

http://blog.bioware....fect-andromeda/

"...this game is very much a new adventure, taking place far away from and long after the events of the original trilogy. You will play a human, male or female, though that’s actually not the character you saw in the trailer (more on that later). You’ll be exploring an all-new galaxy, Andromeda, and piloting the new and improved Mako you saw. And through it all, you will have a new team of adventurers to work with, learn from, fight alongside of, and fall in love with."

 

 

 

http://www.gamespot....d/1100-6398559/

 

"There is one thing we are absolutely sure of--there will be no more Shepard, and the trilogy is over," 

 

 

[Khrystyn]

If the Protheans or Inusannon are already there, then the Reapers are even more incompetent than ME3 made me think they were.

 

Of course the Reapers were incompetent. They were the product of a stupid star child who used circular reasoning. It takes the intelligence of a human to realize that a perfect solution isn't possible. But it also is hubris to think that Shepard could bring peace to the galaxy by controlling, synthesizing, etc. If only humans could create a race of "Gorts" to patrol the galaxy and instantly kill any aggressors, so that more profitable enterprises can be pursued.... Well, that wasn't a perfect solution either, but it was a great movie!

[AlanC9]

I already wrote an elaborate wall of text with some probability calculations and then decided not to bother. Hence the edit.

And then I would have had to spend a bunch of time tearing up all the unwarranted and incoherent assumptions you would have needed to make in order for those numbers to come out the way you wanted them to.

You're sure you don't wanna do this?