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[Novak]

Well, to counter the romance heavy stuff let's talk about something else. Like Nukes! So here's what I wondered, if they have such a big problem with endless advanced enemy's why not just nuke them? I mean the Tsar, the largest hydrogen bomb ever build had a fireball with a diameter of 30 km, in which the estimated temperature was well over 10 million kelvin. And that wasn't even the biggest one they decided an explosive yield of 100 mt was too much so they instead dialed it down to 50. 

 

The brute force and the heat alone should obliterate any target, no?

[Battlebloodmage]

Can we romance the nuke?

[Novak]

Can we romance the nuke?

 

Damn it. Sure and you probably would have no problem getting all hot and bothered.

[AutumnRose]

"Nuke them"

I said to my LI. Referring to the leftovers in the fridge as I crave food after sex

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Nukes are inefficient. By the time of Mass Effect there are much more effective ways to annihilate enemy forces.

[Novak]

Nukes are too inefficient. By the time of Mass Effect there are much more effective ways to annihilate enemy forces.  

 

Like what? It's not like their stupid guns do any serious damage. Okay why not use antimatter annihilation, if you wish you can destroy a whole planet with that. 

[SardaukarElite]

It's the only way to be sure. 

[AutumnRose]

Why not just make love to the enemy commander? Hearts and minds

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Like what? It's not like their stupid guns do any serious damage. Okay why not use antimatter annihilation, if you wish you can destroy a whole planet with that. 

Mass accelerator weapons, orbital weapons, antimatter warheads, asteroid drops, etc. 

 

In Mass Effect 2 we learn just aiming the main gun of an Alliance Cruiser at a planet and firing will cause just as much devastation as any nuclear weapon.

[Novak]

Why not just make love to the enemy commander? Hearts and minds

 

Because he/she probably wants to shoot you in your face. 

[Novak]

Mass accelerator weapons, orbital weapons, asteroid drops, etc. 

 

In Mass Effect 2 we learn just aiming the main gun of a starship and firing at a planet will cause just as much devastation as any nuclear weapon.

 

Yea with the explosive yield of Nagasaki, that's kids play. Asterioid drops can't really be aimed in a quick fashion. And orbital weapons always have problems with the speed they're entering, too fast and everything gets burned off. 

 

And well, did I say antimatter?

 

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Provided the planet has a earth like atmosphere that 20 kg slug would just burn up, or bounce off the atmosphere. Even happens to today's slow moving space craft if you choose the wrong angle.

[AutumnRose]

Because he/she probably wants to shoot you in your face.

Yeah with his man sauce

[Novak]

Yeah with his man sauce

 

If you're into that sort of thing...sure

[ZipZap2000]

I thought maybe Donald Trump had said something.

[katamuro]

Well, to counter the romance heavy stuff let's talk about something else. Like Nukes! So here's what I wondered, if they have such a big problem with endless advanced enemy's why not just nuke them? I mean the Tsar, the largest hydrogen bomb ever build had a fireball with a diameter of 30 km, in which the estimated temperature was well over 10 million kelvin. And that wasn't even the biggest one they decided an explosive yield of 100 mt was too much so they instead dialed it down to 50. 

 

The brute force and the heat alone should obliterate any target, no?

 

They did nuke them, there is an entry saying that soldiers have been smuggling backpack nukes into reapers or reaper harvesting/indoctrination stations. 

The problem as I see it with using nukes is that using them while in the middle of your own territory where there are a large number of civilians and when the enemy forces are completely impervious to the fallout was just innefective. 

 

However, on the other hand we have absolutely no idea how a 100-200 megaton nuke would work against kinetic barriers. After all a single shot from a dreadnought was 20kt or so...

[Novak]

They did nuke them, there is an entry saying that soldiers have been smuggling backpack nukes into reapers or reaper harvesting/indoctrination stations. 

The problem as I see it with using nukes is that using them while in the middle of your own territory where there are a large number of civilians and when the enemy forces are completely impervious to the fallout was just innefective. 

 

However, on the other hand we have absolutely no idea how a 100-200 megaton nuke would work against kinetic barriers. After all a single shot from a dreadnought was 20kt or so...

 

Well the heat bubble alone shouldn't even trigger kinetic barriers. I think I need to calculate if that's actually true about the dreadnought firepower. I mean it definitely wasn't a 20 kt explosion when the dreadnoughts fired on a reaper inside the atmosphere.

[Novak]

I thought maybe Donald Trump had said something.

 

I didn't even say anything about mexicans

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yea with the explosive yield of Nagasaki, that's kids play. Asterioid drops can't really be aimed in a quick fashion. And orbital weapons always have problems with the speed they're entering, too fast and everything gets burned off. 

 

And well, did I say antimatter?

Yes, but that's with a Cruiser. Cruisers aren't the heavy hitters in a fleet, Dreadnoughts are. 

Sure they can. Plus with an asteroid strike accuracy isn't the priority, area of effect is. Just like nukes. 

I'm talking about weapons in orbit that fire down. Simply dropping something from orbit will have it be just as deadly as a nuclear warhead thanks to gravity, so firing that same something from say a mass accelerator cannon will do much more.

And yes, antimatter warheads do exist. Noveria has them to eliminate labs that pose a thread to the planet if not further. Antimatter warheads or weapons that achieve the same result are very efficient.

[Novak]

Yes, but that's with a Cruiser. Cruisers aren't the heavy hitters in a fleet, Dreadnoughts are. 

Sure they can. Plus with an asteroid strike accuracy isn't the priority, area of effect is. Just like nukes. 

I'm talking about weapons in orbit that fire down. Simply dropping something from orbit will have it be just as deadly as a nuclear warhead thanks to gravity, so firing that same something from say a mass accelerator cannon will do much more.

Spoiler

And yes, antimatter warheads do exist. Noveria has them to eliminate labs that pose a thread to the planet if not further. 

 

Yes but you could use nukes in a much smarter way than you could do asteroids. Wasn't that thing on Noveria just a neutron purge? If they have antimatter weapons you can easily rack up the explosive yield of those to destroy a planet or even a solar system. Only matters how much antimatter you can gather. 

 

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It only will if you have no atmosphere, if you do. No go.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

And then if we read the lore we learn that the Asari used nukes when the Reapers attacked Illium, and this forced the Reapers to withdraw and delay their invasion of the planet.

 

So nothing wrong with nukes in the Mass Effect Universe.

[wolfsite]

As Nelson Muntz once said "Ya Gotta Nuke something."

[ZipZap2000]

I didn't even say anything about mexicans

I was thinking Muslims would be his primary focus. Just goes to show how diverse his opinions are when it comes to nuking things.

I really hope they don't elect that guy.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes but you could use nukes in a much smarter way than you could do asteroids. Wasn't that thing on Noveria just a neutron purge? If they have antimatter weapons you can easily rack up the explosive yield of those to destroy a planet or even a solar system. Only matters how much antimatter you can gather. 

 

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It only will if you have no atmosphere, if you do. No go.

Shepard used the Neutron Purge, but that's not what the antimatter warheads were. Noveria never had to use one of those since Shepard stopped the threat. 

 

From the Timeline:

Terrorists steal antimatter from the Alliance cruiser SSV Geneva. The sole figure arrested names his sponsor "Cerberus". This is the first such incident of sabotage connected to the Cerberus organization.

 

Um, atmosphere is irrelevant if the material you're firing is resistant to the effects of reentering the atmosphere. Otherwise we would never have to worry about meteors and asteroids, yet history shows how the atmosphere isn't always enough of a buffer.

[straykat]

It's the only way to be sure. 

 

QFT

[Novak]

Shepard used the Neutron Purge, but that's not what the antimatter warheads were. Noveria never had to use one of those since Shepard stopped the threat. 

 

From the Timeline:

Terrorists steal antimatter from the Alliance cruiser SSV Geneva. The sole figure arrested names his sponsor "Cerberus". This is the first such incident of sabotage connected to the Cerberus organization.

 

Um, atmosphere is irrelevant if the material you're firing is resistant to the effects of reentering the atmosphere. Otherwise we would never have to worry about meteors and asteroids, yet history shows how the atmosphere isn't always enough of a buffer.

Yes but those are gigantic, and get smaller when they burn through the atmosphere.