Those who want the darkness back should be pretty pleased. After the success of Skyrim, BW tried their best to clone that. With the success of the Witcher, I imagine BW will try to ape that. Hopefully we get just enough darkness, sex, blood, and grime to get us back to Origins.
Joys.
1.Not the same because i have rights (for example i can have family,own house or chose my job) just chevaliers have immunitet so he would be able beat the **** out of me if he wants.
2.On what exactly you base your information? Party fenris was talking about wasn't random thug party of Vaughan only party that senators were involved in what is pretty much telling.
3.Nope Qunari/dwarves have , and high-tevinter standards pretty much are restriced as in most of Thedas reserved for nobles.
4, If i recall there is no evidence that blight was on deep roads before magisters went to the black city , first record of darkspawn come from times of first blight. Also false Tevinter didn't participate in every blight nor that would matter because it is only extinguishing fire they have started.
5.Once again false, you can advance to nobility it is hard but possible.
Well , Orlais sucks but it ain't as bad as Tevinter.
1. Just saying, remember the Orlaisian lady in the market.
2. Fenris' information is also compromised since he only remembers things after he gained his tattoos and was completely brainwashed for the vast majority of time there. His talk about the inner workings of blood magic in the Empire is completely from an outsider's perspective. Alexius, Dorian's father, and other Magistars all talk at length about how they hate blood magic. The fact the party had blood magic and rituals just means there's a conspiracy within Tevinter which was practicing it, not that it controlled everything.
3. Dwarves and Qunari have gunpowder while our images of Tevinter in the Dragon Age comics is a High Renassiance-era society. Also, Tevinter combines magic and science while the Dwarves and Qunari have neither.
4. Red Lyrium is blighted Lyrium so the Taint exists before the Blight.
5. Given, again, Michel had to fake his credentials to become a chevalier who--exactly--is a socially upward Orlesian?
Also, Tevinter is in EVERY Blight.
Because they created the Grey Wardens.
Joys.
A very non-sarcastic yay and cheer.
A very non-sarcastic yay and cheer.
Hey I like Witcher as much as the next guy but not everything needs to be grim dark. 
. Also any attempt to go back to Origins should be discouraged, with fire.
Hey I like Witcher as much as the next guy but not everything needs to be grim dark.
No, DRAGON AGE does, though.
Because it's a dark and moody setting which doesn't romanticize ponies, knights, and rainbows.
I mean, seriously, WHY in the world would you want to move away from Origins?
It's only what made the series GREAT and started it.
No, DRAGON AGE does, though.
Because it's a dark and moody setting which doesn't romanticize ponies, knights, and rainbows.
I mean, seriously, WHY in the world would you want to move away from Origins?
It's only what made the series GREAT and started it.
Origins was my least favorite installment of the series. By far. OK maybe not by far considering Awakening had its issues to.
Hey I like Witcher as much as the next guy but not everything needs to be grim dark.
I want a happy medium between grim dark and whatever the hell DAI's setting was. When I hear grim dark, I think Dark/Demon Souls, Witcher, Drakengard/Nier, and Diablo (if you actually play the story). Never saw DAO as grim dark, though DA2 flirted with it.
I just want a more grounded story that at least gets within the same ballpark as the first two games. A hot sorceress or two wouldn't hurt.
The Inquisitior is no politician. That's exactly what this game lacks. Being crowned a messiah figure within the first hour and just waving your dick around is not how politics generally work.
Let me dream!
But did anyone else feel Mages were kind of white-washed in this game? One of the things which made the Templar point of view ambiguous was that they were RIGHT that mages ARE dangerous.
Here, magic seemed like it was just...well. magic.
The mages are never shown as inherently dangerous and potentially risking people save for the fact they can throw ice at people. Where's the Abominations NOT caused by the Fade Rifts?
1) Anyone willing to wear that outfit is not the voice of reason
2) It was very surprising that DAI didn't contain any abominations. Plus the majority of demons were from rifts, which contributed to the MMO feeling. I was really hoping that the Breach, rather than create all of these rifts which only spit demons out when a person gets near them, would weaken the Veil and make it similar to Kirkwall: easier to perform blood magic and consort with demons. I liked the idea behind some of the side quests in the Hinterlands and the Fallow Mire showing how mages had been affected by the Breach to summon demons, but it was sadly more of the fetch quest and reading journal varieties of quests.
No, DRAGON AGE does, though.
Because it's a dark and moody setting which doesn't romanticize ponies, knights, and rainbows.
I mean, seriously, WHY in the world would you want to move away from Origins?
It's only what made the series GREAT and started it.
I must have played a different game...
I want a happy medium between grim dark and whatever the hell DAI's setting was. When I hear grim dark, I think Dark/Demon Souls, Witcher, Drakengard/Nier, and Diablo (if you actually play the story). Never saw DAO as grim dark, though DA2 flirted with it.
I just want a more grounded story that at least gets within the same ballpark as the first two games. A hot sorceress or two wouldn't hurt.
....yeah I guess DA I was kinda lacking in that department wasn't it? Its kinda hard though to have a grounded story in games. For all of games awesomeness in ters of story telling it is a bit hard for them to create fully fleshed out villains. Even Witcher failed in this regard.
....yeah I guess DA I was kinda lacking in that department wasn't it? Its kinda hard though to have a grounded story in games. For all of games awesomeness in ters of story telling it is a bit hard for them to create fully fleshed out villains. Even Witcher failed in this regard.
I normally associate grimdark with urban environments, so that might have also contributed to DAI lacking the feel.
It's hard to be dark if most of the maps are beautiful, light forests or desserts or coasts. Only Exalted Plains, Fallow Mire, and EdL were a bit grim. And The Descent. But there weren't a lot of urban environments or dungeons.
I normally associate grimdark with urban environments, so that might have also contributed to DAI lacking the feel.
It's hard to be dark if most of the maps are beautiful, light forests or desserts or coasts. Only Exalted Plains, Fallow Mire, and EdL were a bit grim. And The Descent. But there weren't a lot of urban environments or dungeons.
I made the same point about DA Is aestics. And I suppose that is true given two of the three franchises I associate with grim dark happen in Cities. Game of Thrones/ King's Landing et all, Witcher 3/ Novigrad, and then you have the Walking Dead.
Oh and then you can further add Kirkwall into the conversation on urban environments= grim dark. Funny thing is I really do love both Kirkwall and Novigrad. I know intellectually both are horrible cesspools for cities, but there is something charming about em. I'd live in Kirkwall.
I made the same point about DA Is aestics. And I suppose that is true given two of the three franchises I associate with grim dark happen in Cities. Game of Thrones/ King's Landing et all, Witcher 3/ Novigrad, and then you have the Walking Dead.
I think Velen is probably my favorite grimdark location in any video game.
But yes, the lack of urban areas in DA:I was a real pain.
There's that pretty Orlaisian courtyard which looked like a Medieval shopping mall, Skyhold, Haven, and one rainy town in the middle of nowhere.
It's a big disappointment after Kirkwall's ratty allies full of the poor, suffering, and destitute.
Well considering Velen had the Crones of Crookback Bog to deal with...
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I do love that game.
What? Kind of the same character?
The Inquisitor is kind of a blank slate in that he's a generic good guy for the most part. Yes, you can be an atheist or a Dalish pagan or a Qunari or a believer in the Maker but aside from your religious beliefs, we really don't have much insight into who the Inquisitor is. Almost the entirety of their personality is defined by their relationship to being the Herald of Andraste.
It seemed a step down from Hawke and ironically, I think the Warden too as they could express some pretty extreme opinions on a variety of topics no matter what their origins and usually because of them.
Sham-killing hate-crime Dalish for example.
Though Withcer I look at with a lot of...uneasiness...maybe that is the wrong word...but it did have its huge ups and downs, much like DA 2...I hated White Orchard, Velen was pretty cool, I ****** adored the socks off of Novigrad, Skellige while I did like a lot of the story elements of that area I hated navigating around it and it almost ruined the game for me, but then the ending kicked so much ass.
I made the same point about DA Is aestics. And I suppose that is true given two of the three franchises I associate with grim dark happen in Cities. Game of Thrones/ King's Landing et all, Witcher 3/ Novigrad, and then you have the Walking Dead.
I depends really.
The manga Berserk is the classic example of grim dark, and was pretty much the biggest influence over dark fantasy video games until ASOIAF/GoT got big.
Though somewhat obscure, the Drakengard/Nier series is the gold-standard from grim dark video games. Ever side quest or new game plus you do just makes things worse, and each ending you get keeps sliding down the slope. Your party includes a pedophile (he's the nice one of he group) and a serial killer that literally eats babies. It then concludes with the most frightening enemies in video game history, the Watchers.
Origins was my least favorite installment of the series. By far. OK maybe not by far considering Awakening had its issues to.
The Inquisitor is kind of a blank slate in that he's a generic good guy for the most part. Yes, you can be an atheist or a Dalish pagan or a Qunari or a believer in the Maker but aside from your religious beliefs, we really don't have much insight into who the Inquisitor is. Almost the entirety of their personality is defined by their relationship to being the Herald of Andraste.
Evil Hawke kills Bethany so she can be Viscount.
Evil Hawke kills Bethany because she's sick of her sanctimonious prattling.
Evil Hawke betrays Fenris to slavery because, honestly, she wants that mansion.
Evil Hawke helps Anders blow up the Chantry because, why not?
Evil Hawke massacres the elves of the dalish because they're pointy ears and she wants that Eluvian for herself.
Really, people keep assuming he's their friend when it's all about the Sovereigns.
Best Evil Hawke?
Blood Mage Evil Fem Hawke who kills Bethany and sides with the Templars to rule with Sebastian who she manipulated into being her consort to take over Starkhaven
She also was with Fenris solely to .sell him into slavery.
Why?
It amused her.
See, but none of this makes sense. It's not 'dark' in the sense that it's dealing with 'mature' or 'gritty' themes... it's just pulpy, edgy melodrama. I would expect that kind of thing from an abortion like Fable, not Dragon Age.
1. Just saying, remember the Orlaisian lady in the market.
2. Fenris' information is also compromised since he only remembers things after he gained his tattoos and was completely brainwashed for the vast majority of time there. His talk about the inner workings of blood magic in the Empire is completely from an outsider's perspective. Alexius, Dorian's father, and other Magistars all talk at length about how they hate blood magic. The fact the party had blood magic and rituals just means there's a conspiracy within Tevinter which was practicing it, not that it controlled everything.
3. Dwarves and Qunari have gunpowder while our images of Tevinter in the Dragon Age comics is a High Renassiance-era society. Also, Tevinter combines magic and science while the Dwarves and Qunari have neither.
4. Red Lyrium is blighted Lyrium so the Taint exists before the Blight.
5. Given, again, Michel had to fake his credentials to become a chevalier who--exactly--is a socially upward Orlesian?
Also, Tevinter is in EVERY Blight.
Because they created the Grey Wardens.
1.Yep, but doesn't change she was just unlucky to become victim of chevalier.
2.Fenris information is viable as he still remembers everything after tattoos and he isn't an outsider, in fact he has great deal information about how things work in tevinter as he managed to see how things are among nobility.Not rly every information we have points that majority if not almost all magisters are blood mages ,Fenris makes it clear that if you don't reach for blood magic you pretty much die from hands of other magisters that do , plus we know that black divine despite once hated blood magic turned blood mage as well.LoL , did you just use Halward that tried to use blood magic when convenient or Alexius that joined blood mages cultists , as examples of examplar tevinters that are anti-blood mages?
3.Actually nope , World of thedas says that quanri are most technologically advanced except dwarves , Tevinter is pretty much magic focused not technology focused.
4.And where you have existance of red lyrium before the blight?
5.Michael had elven ancestry , but still he managed to become chevalier and as i said you can become noble but obviously it quite hard.
6.That because they created grey wardens (as pretty much they were only country around) doesn't mean they are in every blight , grey wardens are now separate organization that has nothing to do with tevinter.
I think we're just learning more and more about the world at large.
DAO set the foundation, but mostly focused on Darkspawn/ the Blight
DA2 was set in Kirkwall and Mage vs Templar. Though I guess that was the start of it all atleast when it came to art direction.
DAI is dealing with individuals connected to the past, prior to the Chantry when magic ruled. We can see how primitive humans may have interacted with beings of the Fade (Avvars/ maybe Alamarri) we found out about Titan and ancient Dwarves, then confirmation that elves where all that and even more.
Though, I think that the fact that many of the DAO writers have left is showing now.
1.Yep, but doesn't change she was just unlucky to become victim of chevalier.
2.Fenris information is viable as he still remembers everything after tattoos and he isn't an outsider, in fact he has great deal information about how things work in tevinter as he managed to see how things are among nobility.Not rly every information we have points that majority if not almost all magisters are blood mages ,Fenris makes it clear that if you don't reach for blood magic you pretty much die from hands of other magisters that do , plus we know that black divine despite once hated blood magic turned blood mage as well.LoL , did you just use Halward that tried to use blood magic when convenient or Alexius that joined blood mages cultists , as examples of examplar tevinters that are anti-blood mages?
3.Actually nope , World of thedas says that quanri are most technologically advanced except dwarves , Tevinter is pretty much magic focused not technology focused.
4.And where you have existance of red lyrium before the blight?
5.Michael had elven ancestry , but still he managed to become chevalier and as i said you can become noble but obviously it quite hard.
6.That because they created grey wardens (as pretty much they were only country around) doesn't mean they are in every blight , grey wardens are now separate organization that has nothing to do with tevinter.
"Andruil put on armor made of the Void, and all forgot her true face. She made weapons of darkness, and plague ate her lands."
Assuming you think that's not Red Lyrium, there's the fact that Varric discovered the Red Lyrium Idol in the Ancient Thaig which was older than the Imperium. Older than Tevinter == older than the Blight (the scourges led by Archdemons).
I mean, this series has dropped a lot of hints about how old the Taint really is, there were more in the Deep Roads section of Trespasser I think and in The Descent.
I depends really.
The manga Berserk is the classic example of grim dark, and was pretty much the biggest influence over dark fantasy video games until ASOIAF/GoT got big.
Though somewhat obscure, the Drakengard/Nier series is the gold-standard from grim dark video games. Ever side quest or new game plus you do just makes things worse, and each ending you get keeps sliding down the slope. Your party includes a pedophile (he's the nice one of he group) and a serial killer that literally eats babies. It then concludes with the most frightening enemies in video game history, the Watchers.
The classic example (and the source of the name) of grimdark is Warhammer 40,000. And, as with most grimdark things, it's so overly "dark" as to be comical.
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