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[fhs33721]

It isn't for no reason. Bethany is circle mage , and circle is being annulled because it is considered beyond saving.Allowing Meredith to kill Bethany can easily seen either Hawke not letting emotions affect his decision-making or either trying not ****** off Meredith. 

Correct, a Hawke that lets Meredith kill Bethany does not let emotions affect her/his decision making. Mostly because a Hawke that does that is a complete and utter sociopath, that by definition is incapabel to even feel empathy, remorse, guilt or shame.

[BSpud]

Fact: Feminism in gaming is exactly how Nazi Germany started.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Correct, a Hawke that lets Meredith kill Bethany does not let emotions affect her/his decision making. Mostly because a Hawke that does that is a complete and utter sociopath, that by definition is incapabel to even feel empathy, remorse, guilt or shame.

Nah, Game forces Hawke to care about his family so s/he ain't sociopath and s/he does care about Bethany but just may think that annulment is necessity and s/he shouldn't treat Bethany leniently and take risk just because she is his sister.

 

Im not a sociopath and yet i don't allow emotions affect my decision-making.  

[Arshei]

Fact: Feminism in gaming is exactly how Nazi Germany started.

 

I am sure the favorite character of Hitler was Meredith.

[Andraste_Reborn]

We have to remember that in DA3 Bioware hired a lot of womans to write the game, this is why we didn't get "dark things"

The feminism is ruining everything, I am going to play GTA V to kill some whores ♥

 

Actually, DAI had roughly the same proportion of female writers as the previous games. To whit:

 

DAO: David Gaider, Jennifer Hepler, Lukas Kristjanson, Mary Kirby, Sheryl Chee and Jay Turner.

 

DA2: David Gaider, Jennifer Hepler, Lukas Kristjanson, Mary Kirby, Sheryl Chee and Tonia Laird.

 

DAI: David Gaider, Lukas Kristjanson, Mary Kirby, Sheryl Chee, Patrick Weekes, Brianne Battye and Sylvia Feketekuty.

 

The franchise started out with a writer's pit that was half women, so three dudes and four ladies on the third game isn't much of a change. DA2 actually had more women, percentage-wise, although Tonia Laird was an intern and just wrote a few side quests AFAIK.

[fhs33721]

Nah, Game forces Hawke to care about his family so s/he ain't sociopath and s/he does care about Bethany but just may think that annulment is necessity and s/he shouldn't treat Bethany leniently and take risk just because she is his sister.

 

Im not a sociopath and yet i don't allow emotions affect my decision-making.  

Have you gotten that checked recently? Because a lot of your statements on this forum, like the one in this very post indicate otherwise.

 

Treat Bethany leniently? She literally turned on her fellow mages as soon as they started using blood magic and then unconditionally surrenders afterwards. What exactly did she do to justify her murder? Take a risk? What risk exactly? There is absolutely no risk in letting Bethany live. Had Meredith not abandoned all sanity a few minutes later, Bethany would still have been safely locked away in the circle afterwards and the templars would most likely watched her very carefully for some time just in case. Hell regarding how paranoid the Kirkwall templars are and since at this point there are very few to no other mages left in the Kirkwall circle they would probably have her be monitored by a dozen templars at every for the whole next year just to be certain she wasn't an abomination.

There is no logical reason to kill her whatsoever. It's a stupid-evil option, only a sociopathic Hawke, that gets a kick out of seeing his sister murdered, woud take.

[AresKeith]

Hell, in Dragon Age 2, you can kill BETHANY.

https://www.youtube....h?v=6hHLbmzZdAY

And let's be honest here, that option is one of the stupidest things in the game and is only there just to be dark

[TheKomandorShepard]

Have you gotten that checked recently? Because a lot of your statements on this forum, like the one in this very post indicate otherwise.

 

Treat Bethany leniently? She literally turned on her fellow mages as soon as they started using blood magic and then unconditionally surrenders afterwards. What exactly did she do to justify her murder? Take a risk? What risk exactly? There is absolutely no risk in letting Bethany live. Had Meredith not abandoned all sanity a few minutes later, Bethany would still have been safely locked away in the circle afterwards and the templars would most likely watched her very carefully for some time just in case. Hell regarding how paranoid the Kirkwall templars are and since at this point there are very few to no other mages left in the Kirkwall circle they would probably have her be monitored by a dozen templars at every for the whole next year just to be certain she wasn't an abomination.

There is no logical reason to kill her whatsoever. It's a stupid-evil option, only a sociopathic Hawke, that gets a kick out of seeing his sister murdered, woud take.

 

I don't meet requirements to be Sociopath, i show only some traits that come with being Sociopath (a lot of people do) but that alone doesn't qualify you as one.  

She is member of highly corrupted and unstable circle and was hanging out with blood mages, that she did surrender says nothing on matter whether she is blood mage or an abomination as she could only surrender to survive and trick you.There was risk as i said if she was an abomnation she could snap at any moment of distraction and go on rampage , if she was blood mage she could bring trouble in future and corrupt more mages by teaching them blood magic. 

[KaiserShep]

Only daft fools kill Bethany. The likelihood of her being a bloodmage or some other nefarious arcane nonsense is about the same as Sten taking up prostitution in the Anderfels. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Only daft fools kill Bethany. The likelihood of her being a bloodmage or some other nefarious arcane nonsense is about the same as Sten taking up prostitution in the Anderfels. 

Because? Give me a logical argument as to why Bethany can't be a blood mage.

[KaiserShep]

I never said the word can't; I'm speaking merely in probability. I guess if one is RP'ing a Hawke that is such a p*ss-poor character witness that Bethany should be so casually executed for the infinitesimal risk of her being a naughty maleficar, despite never exhibiting any such behavior or using a single spell beyond the standard schools any normal mage learns, that's fine, but that doesn't change that only daft fools kill Bethany. 

 

I mean, no one can honestly believe that Bethany is any kind of sizable risk. Ser Pounce-A-Lot is more likely to cause someone grief. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

I never said the word can't; I'm speaking merely in probability. I guess if one is RP'ing a Hawke that is such a p*ss-poor character witness that Bethany should be so casually executed for the infinitesimal risk of her being a naughty maleficar, despite never exhibiting any such behavior or using a single spell beyond the standard schools any normal mage learns, that's fine, but that doesn't change that only daft fools kill Bethany. 

 

I mean, no one can honestly believe that Bethany is any kind of sizable risk. Ser Pounce-A-Lot is more likely to cause someone grief. 

 

That says nothing, very few mages (unless they are dumb) exhibit blood mage behavior publicly.Mages like Uldred, Jowan, Orsino, Halward and much more managed effectively hide that they were blood mages, and even publicly showed dislike toward blood magic.Same thing for her not using blood magic spells publicly.

 

You didn't give me any logical argument as to why Bethany was more resistant to using blood magic to the point it wouldn't be viable option , so her being blood mage is as probable as any mage.

[Arshei]

That says nothing, very few mages (unless they are dumb) exhibit blood mage behavior publicly.Mages like Uldred, Jowan, Orsino, Halward and much more managed effectively hide that they were blood mages, and even publicly showed dislike toward blood magic.Same thing for her not using blood magic spells publicly.

 

You didn't give me any logical argument as to why Bethany was more resistant to using blood magic , so her being blood mage is as viable as any mage.

 

Ammm maybe the fact that Bethany is pretty Andrastian and in Lothering she always went to the chantry is a good argument of why she'll never use blood magic, she is to kind and always felt guilty of being a mage, what she'd never wanted is to become what the chantry most hate.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Ammm maybe the fact that Bethany is pretty Andrastian and in Lothering she always went to the chantry is a good argument of why she'll never use blood magic.

So? Most of mages are Andrastians, Anders is one as well in fact most of people in Thedas are, aside from fact she lived in Lothering at least 7 years ago. 

[Arshei]

So? Most of mages are Andrastians, Anders is one as well in fact most of people in Thedas are, aside from fact she lived in Lothering at least 7 years ago. 

 

Anders believe in the maker but hates the Chantry, Bethany get a brainwash from the chantry and now she is... Bethany.

Another good point, if you make Bethany circle mage, and she survive, and then you play the DLCs she didn't have the blood mage spells! Checkmate

[TheKomandorShepard]

Anders believe in the maker but hates the Chantry, Bethany get a brainwash from the chantry and now she is... Bethany.

Another good point, if you make Bethany circle mage, and she survive, and then you play the DLCs she didn't have the blood mage spells! Checkmate

 

And yet Bethany for years refused to live in circle that was established by the chantry and by that she disobeyed chantry laws.

 

Also outside fact that would be meta gaming , Legacy happens before annulment and by time of it Bethany could be blood mage.     

[KaiserShep]

And yet Bethany for years refused to live in circle that was established by the chantry and by that she disobeyed chantry laws.

 

Also outside fact that would be meta gaming , Legacy happens before annulment and by time of it Bethany could be blood mage.     

 

The entire family helped keep Bethany out of the Circle, including Hawke, so they're all equally guilt of evading Chantry law. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

The entire family helped keep Bethany out of the Circle, including Hawke. 

And? She could go to the circle voluntarily by just admiting she is a mage and that is what she would do if she truly respected chantry laws.

[AlanC9]

What's your point?

[TheKomandorShepard]

What's your point?

Mine?

It is very simple, Bethany is not an exception and can be blood mage as any other mage.

 

There is no logical reason that would exclude Bethany from being suspect.

 

 

 

Chop

Better safe than sorry when costs are so high.

[KaiserShep]

Mine?

It is very simple, Bethany is not an exception and can be blood mage as any other mage.

 

There is no logical reason that would exclude Bethany from being suspect.

 

 

Killing someone for being suspect doesn't strike me as very rational, but I guess it's par for the course.

 

Because only daft fools kill Bethany.

[KaiserShep]

And? She could go to the circle voluntarily by just admiting she is a mage and that is what she would do if she truly respected chantry laws.

 

Hah, you have to love the circle this goes in (pardon the pun). Bethany surrenders peacefully to Cullen when she's discovered and becomes a model mage within the Circle and is permitted to each children, but then that Circle turns out to be corrupt and Bethany is guilty of that too, so she's guilty if she stays out of the corrupt circle, and is branded a maleficar without cause beyond being forcibly inducted into said corrupt circle. She can't win.

[Willowhugger]

And let's be honest here, that option is one of the stupidest things in the game and is only there just to be dark

 

Only if you don't think Evil Hawke is a valid playstyle.

 

Do you want to play someone who resents the fact your family has decided to become apostates? Do you hate the mages? Do you want to just get rid of that STONE around your neck which is the filthy magicians of your family and their apostate legacy? Do you just feel like the Grey Warden who had Alistair executed to secure Anora's rule?

 

At the end of the day, the only regret Evil Hawke has about Bethany's death is that he didn't do it himself.

 

Bethany was just the first of his....Murder Knife Solution.

[KaiserShep]

Only if you don't think Evil Hawke is a valid playstyle.

 

Well, so long as we're establishing that it's evil.

[Ashagar]

One could be a  evil overlord, mage lord, vile crime lord or dark knight and still love their family though and in fact love of family can cause such characters to do truely horrific things in the name of family or to keep a family member alive.

 

I remember in one short story for instance a mage who used magic to suck the life out of people to keep their child alive in spite of the suffering it caused and the child begging to die because they couldn't bare to lose them.