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[SpaceKatie]

The thing I'm most worried about is that the Mass Effect games (just the games, not the books or comics) have always been Shepard and his/her companions' story. I'm worried that it won't feel like Mass Effect playing as someone else.

[von uber]

Reapers aren't individuals. Harbinger is just a drone in the collective. It had no distinct personality or will. Anything Shepard says to Sovereign or Harbinger s/he's saying to all Reapers, not an individual enemy.

 

One of the biggest mistakes / retcons of ME3 in my opinion.

[kylovader]

One of the biggest mistakes / retcons of ME3 in my opinion.

I agree. Blame those two writers that locked themselves in a room and did not tell anyone about the ending afterwards. 

[9TailsFox]

One of the biggest mistakes / retcons of ME3 in my opinion.

Yes. Sovereign/Nazara and Harbinger are nothing alike. And "We are each a nation," And then Harbinger speak about reapers refer as we. An then refer to himself I.

 

“You cannot kill me, Shepard.”

[wright1978]

I can agree with that in that respect. So you did not want to see Harbinger as the villain in the third game even though they hyped him up in 2 and arrival? We can look at unresolved conflict point because there was unresolved conflict because they hated each other and it seemed that they were going to face off with one another. I do see where you are coming from though. Hopefully you see where I cam coming from as well. 

 

I'd definitely would have liked to have seen Harbinger in a meatier role in me3. Water under the bridge and all that's left is the embarassing role it has in the EC.

[In Exile]

I'd definitely would have liked to have seen Harbinger in a meatier role in me3. Water under the bridge and all that's left is the embarassing role it has in the EC.

 

But that was just a response to all the hate towards Harbinger in ME2. It was a mistake, but one borne of trying to listen to fan feedback.

[Steelcan]

But that was just a response to all the hate towards Harbinger in ME2. It was a mistake, but one borne of trying to listen to fan feedback.

I'd hate to see their version of fan feedback on a character like Kai Leng then

[Really Sad Panther]

They will somehow figure out a way of not picking a canon ending because I think they realize that they wrote themselves into a corner with the endings they gave us.

 

 

If I had to choose a canon ending it would have been destroy. With synthesis and control the Reapers would have been around to act as a peace keeping force which to a certain extent would eliminate any large scale conflicts between any of the species. And without large scale conflicts what would have the next game been about? What would we be saving the universe from?

So with the ME3 endings we have they kind of have to send us somewhere else where there are no Reapers.

[katamuro]

They will somehow figure out a way of not picking a canon ending because I think they realize that they wrote themselves into a corner with the endings they gave us.

 

 

If I had to choose a canon ending it would have been destroy. With synthesis and control the Reapers would have been around to act as a peace keeping force which to a certain extent would eliminate any large scale conflicts between any of the species. And without large scale conflicts what would have the next game been about? What would we be saving the universe from?

So with the ME3 endings we have they kind of have to send us somewhere else where there are no Reapers.

 

Really what they should have done is made a variation based upon your paragon/renegade and the war assets with destroy as base. So if you had everything and went full paragon then you get to save the galaxy and others but maybe at the cost of your life. IF you had all the war assets but were renegade then you might sacrifice geth for example but live(not really a good option but this is just an example)

[AlanC9]

Don't you agree though that they did nothing with harbinger though? It just irks me that they did not resolve his character ark.

Well, I was one of the guys who thought that Harbinger had turned into a joke by the end of ME2. I preferred him blowing up stuff and not talking.

[Killroy]

Really what they should have done is made a variation based upon your paragon/renegade and the war assets with destroy as base. So if you had everything and went full paragon then you get to save the galaxy and others but maybe at the cost of your life. IF you had all the war assets but were renegade then you might sacrifice geth for example but live(not really a good option but this is just an example)

...no. 'Paragon=good, Renegade=bad' is terrible game design.

[katamuro]

...no. 'Paragon=good, Renegade=bad' is terrible game design.

 

As I said its not really a good option just an example of what they could have done based on the built-in game mechanics. As I saw it in ME1 the Renegade was supposed to be the ruthless commander doing the hard things, doing sometimes not morally right things to make the mission a success. So smuggling, or stealing, killing people before they had a chance to shoot and stuff like that. But not being an ******* that seemed to care only for themselves. 

A better option would have been a renegade shepard got to lie and cheat and be hardass but being still on mission, so he could for example get more support from "renegade" factions like Aria, Mercs and possibly cerberus while more paragon shepard would get more support from the official sources. 

[kylovader]

Well, I was one of the guys who thought that Harbinger had turned into a joke by the end of ME2. I preferred him blowing up stuff and not talking.

I just like his demeanor and his attitude. I thought his voice was very cold and calculative. Honestly if they went the route with harbinger we might not have gotten our color choices. 

[goishen]

Who knows?

 

That's about all the information really can give you right now.   The information is coming slower than molasses. 

[PSDSTRYOR]

I think they could do something like ME2 ending (Shepard dead we are all doomed)

Destroy- Reapers dealt with no need for looking new home

Control- Reapers under control no need for looking new home

Synthesis- Happy co-existence no need for looking new home

 

Refusal- "**** this **** we going to Andromeda"

Also Refusal doesn't "destroy" choices we made during trilogy (situation with geth)

[Seboist]

Well, I was one of the guys who thought that Harbinger had turned into a joke by the end of ME2. I preferred him blowing up stuff and not talking.

Harbinger DOES sound like a sex offender who just got done serving hard time in the pen.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

This. 

 

I think Bioware will avoid canonizing an ending so long as the games are set outside the Milky Way. They only have to make tough decisions on what to do with ME3's endings if they ever decide to create a Milky Way sequel.

 

And then if they wait through two more Andromeda games until 2024, no one will care what happened in the ME3 endings so they can do whatever they want. Some of us may be senile and will have forgotten. Some of us may be dead and no longer care. Our pathfinders return to the MW a thousand years later and find everything rebuilt like nothing happened. The war is ancient history. Everyone who would have participated in it is dead. See how this works?

[Laughing_Man]

And then if they wait through two more Andromeda games until 2024, no one will care what happened in the ME3 endings so they can do whatever they want. Some of us may be senile and will have forgotten. Some of us may be dead and no longer care. Our pathfinders return to the MW a thousand years later and find everything rebuilt like nothing happened. The war is ancient history. Everyone who would have participated in it is dead. See how this works?

 

More likely Bioware will simply move to a different franchise by then. (if it still exists by 2024)

[kylovader]

And then if they wait through two more Andromeda games until 2024, no one will care what happened in the ME3 endings so they can do whatever they want. Some of us may be senile and will have forgotten. Some of us may be dead and no longer care. Our pathfinders return to the MW a thousand years later and find everything rebuilt like nothing happened. The war is ancient history. Everyone who would have participated in it is dead. See how this works?

I hope they don't do that. That will ****** me off. If they try to go through this route it means and not acknowledge the previous events. To me it seems they will go for a cannon ending like suckerpunch did with Infamous. They looked at what was the top chosen ending for Infamous 2 and went that route with Second Son, while acknowledging the previous game. 

[In Exile]

Well, I was one of the guys who thought that Harbinger had turned into a joke by the end of ME2. I preferred him blowing up stuff and not talking.

 

The concept was a good - a reaper refuses bodies all the time, so you can both have the PC beat the antagonist and get to keep recycling your antagonist. They just had Harbinger say such ridiculous nonsense that there was no way to take it seriously. 

[goishen]

And then if they wait through two more Andromeda games until 2024, no one will care what happened in the ME3 endings so they can do whatever they want. Some of us may be senile and will have forgotten. Some of us may be dead and no longer care. Our pathfinders return to the MW a thousand years later and find everything rebuilt like nothing happened. The war is ancient history. Everyone who would have participated in it is dead. See how this works?

 

 

By then, people will be on here screaming about the way that Andromeda 6 will have ended.   Sounds kind'a like a Tom Clancy novel.

[Laughing_Man]

Sovereign actually had a good speech in ME1, he was kind of impressive, but then Harbinger started trash talking...

[In Exile]

Sovereign actually had a good speechin ME1, he was kind of impressive, but then Harbinger started trash talking...

 

I will never understand why people say this about it. It was one of the dumbest speeches in the series. I don't go around shaking my fist at ants telling them they can't understand my infinite majesty. That speech is when I realized Bioware has absolutely no idea what they're doing with the reapers. 

[Laughing_Man]

I will never understand why people say this about it. It was one of the dumbest speeches in the series. I don't go around shaking my fist at ants telling them they can't understand my infinite majesty. That speech is when I realized Bioware has absolutely no idea what they're doing with the reapers. 

 

Was it perfect? Probably not, but you got its attention and it deigned to tell you what it thinks about your efforts, it made a certain amount of sense.

[wright1978]

Was it perfect? Probably not, but you got its attention and it deigned to tell you what it thinks about your efforts, it made a certain amount of sense.

Yeah agree. Felt it helped establish the reapers.