Your opinion. I thought his speech with Shepard in ME1 for the very first time was one of the highlights of the trilogy. None of the villains in Dragon Age have an equivalent.
I'll take that over any of the lame villains in Dragon Age.
Yeah, in my opinion. The youtube video just illustrates how incomprehensibly stupid the lines of dialogue are, not to mention completely meaningless. The dialogue switches between childish, "my dad can beat up your dad" chest-thumping and mixed metaphor nonsense.
Yeah, in my opinion. The youtube video just illustrates how incomprehensibly stupid the lines of dialogue are, not to mention completely meaningless. The dialogue switches between childish, "my dad can beat up your dad" chest-thumping and mixed metaphor nonsense.
Do you even like Mass Effect? This was essentially how Shepard talked to all of his enemies... He was always cheesy and over the top. What I'm focusing on is Sovereign's dialogue and how he does such a great job of building up the reapers to be this magnificent race of sentient machines far beyond the comprehension of primitive organics.
None of the villains in Dragon Age have anything that rivals this speech with Sovereign. The closest would be to Loghain when he is fighting against the Hero of Ferelden if my memory serves me correctly. The Arishok never said anything memorable. Corypheus never said anything memorable. I wish Flemeth was the actual villain as she has far more depth and complexity than most of the one-dimensional, cookie cutter villains in all of Dragon Age.
Cool. So when did Dragon Age get aliens...and guns...and biotics...and become a third person shooter...oh, and get set in space?
Yeah, in my opinion. The youtube video just illustrates how incomprehensibly stupid the lines of dialogue are, not to mention completely meaningless. The dialogue switches between childish, "my dad can beat up your dad" chest-thumping and mixed metaphor nonsense.
Shepard sounds dumb, especially M!Shep, that was more or less constant throughout the trilogy.
I don't know if that is the fault of the writers, the VA, or both.
But I don't see what your problem is with Sovereign's speech, it simply states the truth as it sees it, without malice and without exaggeration.
It simply is, and it explains things to you because in its opinion your fumbling will never amount to anything, just as it never posed a serious problem
in the endless number of cycles that came before.
It was creepy and very well done.
Cool. So when did Dragon Age get aliens...and guns...and biotics...and become a third person shooter...oh, and get set in space?
Shepard sounds dumb, especially M!Shep, that was more or less constant throughout the trilogy.
I don't know if that is the fault of the writers, the VA, or both.
But I don't see what your problem is with Sovereign's speech, it simply states the truth as it sees it, without malice and without exaggeration.
It simply is, and it explains things to you because in its opinion your fumbling will never amount to anything, just as it never posed a serious problem
in the endless number of cycles that came before.
It was creepy and very well done.
Shepard has the IQ of an empty beer bottle, as one can see already in ME1 with his various lines, where among other things, he compares the genophage to the FCW, acts surprised that the asari can reproduce with each other,and asks Tali if she's royalty.
That's on top of him never displaying more knowledge of military tactics than the average crips or blood gangbanger.
Shepard has the IQ of an empty beer bottle, as one can see already in ME1 with his various lines, where among other things, he compares the genophage to the FCW, acts surprised that the asari can reproduce with each other,and asks Tali if she's royalty.
That's on top of him never displaying more knowledge of military tactics than the average crips or blood gangbanger.
Yep, should've been named Commander Shitbird.
I hope we at least get someone who isn't so fundamentally retarded that they could've conceivably passed their G.E.D and ASVAB this time around. Maybe even gotten a 2 year degree at a community college? One can dream.
When did you get to be an alien in Mass Effect? Let it go.
Right...so we should never move on from the first three games where you *had* to be a human, because it was Shepard's story. And "let it go"? I made one post about it. And by your logic, we should never get anything new. "X? When did Y ever have X? Let it go."
Operating in Zero-G - with thruster packs!
I have a few ideas how this could be useful in an assignment, but I wouldn't throw it into the game just for the sake of doing something new.
Edit: It's more likely that such a visual will be part of a custscene, rather than though a player's control of the protagonist. Look at Halo 5 Guardians' introductory scene as the 4 Spartans use their thruster packs to descend into battle using a halo jump; that was a cutscene (and a very cool one to watch, at that.). It would have been beyond cool if players were allowed to control Jamison Locke's aerial descent. Of course, BW development isn't limited to what other comparable games can or can't do. But now I'm rambling. JM2C
Right...so we should never move on from the first three games where you *had* to be a human, because it was Shepard's story. And "let it go"? I made one post about it. And by your logic, we should never get anything new. "X? When did Y ever have X? Let it go."
Just accept it. Humans back at it again.
I watched Saving Private Ryan for the hundredth time yesterday, and while I'm not usually about the "let's make the party thoroughly military" thing, that movie does make me consider how much I'd like a more varied personal dynamic between the characters that are military.
Say we have two military characters that are basically at one another's throats a lot of the time, but when it's time to work as a team in a tense scenario, they quickly become so in sync it's like they hear each other's thoughts.
... but when it's time to work as a team in a tense scenario, they quickly become so in sync it's like they hear each others thoughts.
Excellent suggestion. Reminds me a bit of when I used to beat up on my older brother, but if anyone else tried to mess with him, they had to get past me first.
Btw - thank you for the nice message. I don't how to work the 'reply' system to say; "appreciated." See ya around the best threads available in this 'sometimes' cozy neighborhood.
I think of Ryben (sp?) and the Captain and their ongoing argument about the whole mission that finally comes to a head when the medic dies, and then earlier when the medic -- what was his name? Wade? -- telling the other guys off when he was struggling to write that letter. But they all did function well together. I think some of it was because they all knew no one was getting out alive if they didn't.I watched Saving Private Ryan for the hundredth time yesterday, and while I'm not usually about the "let's make the party thoroughly military" thing, that movie does make me consider how much I'd like a more varied personal dynamic between the characters that are military.
Say we have two military characters that are basically at one another's throats a lot of the time, but when it's time to work as a team in a tense scenario, they quickly become so in sync it's like they hear each other's thoughts.
Do you even like Mass Effect? This was essentially how Shepard talked to all of his enemies... He was always cheesy and over the top. What I'm focusing on is Sovereign's dialogue and how he does such a great job of building up the reapers to be this magnificent race of sentient machines far beyond the comprehension of primitive organics.
None of the villains in Dragon Age have anything that rivals this speech with Sovereign. The closest would be to Loghain when he is fighting against the Hero of Ferelden if my memory serves me correctly. The Arishok never said anything memorable. Corypheus never said anything memorable. I wish Flemeth was the actual villain as she has far more depth and complexity than most of the one-dimensional, cookie cutter villains in all of Dragon Age.
I'm not talking about Shepard, I'm talking about Sovereign, and I don't have an issue with cheesy dialogue. My issue is when posters argue that the dialogue isn't cheesy. Shepard isn't the one saying "My dad can beat up your dad" - it's Sovereign who says that, with his whole "our numbers will blot out your sky" gibberish.
Sovereign does an awful job of building up the Reapers. They don't sound like a magnificent race of sentient machines. They sound like Dr. Evil. Threatening and gloating villain speeches are always dumb, and they don't make your villain sound like Cthulu. That's why there's no Cthulu story with it giving a long-winded speech in English.
But I don't see what your problem is with Sovereign's speech, it simply states the truth as it sees it, without malice and without exaggeration.
It simply is, and it explains things to you because in its opinion your fumbling will never amount to anything, just as it never posed a serious problem
in the endless number of cycles that came before.
Without exaggeration? Calling the reapers things like "legion", saying that they are "each a nation", "free of all weakness" - that's all exaggeration. If someone started screaming this at ants in a park, we would think they were in need of immediate medical attention. That's the equivalent of what Sovereign is doing in that scene.
It doesn't make the Reapers seem powerful - it makes them seem pathetic. I don't scream at spiders that humans are "each a nation", "free of all weakness" and that "our numbers will blot out the sky" before smushing it. I smush it, and then move on with my day without thinking.
I don't scream at spiders that humans are "each a nation", "free of all weakness" and that "our numbers will blot out the sky"
Ahahahah... ok that was pretty funny.
Now someone needs to cut that Leonidas scene to someone raging at excess fern overgrowth or something.
Oh! Jeez I didn't realize what thread I am in necessarily, *cough* how awwkward... um.. um I keep thinking of "The things they carried?" Whenever I see this thread, is that good?
*Cringes at thought of failing at task*
Edit: Oh! What would I like to see, well riding a super space dinosaur across the galaxy might be pretty cool, albeit costly to implement perhaps, consuming lots of polygons or something.
Oh! Jeez I didn't realize what thread I am in necessarily, *cough* how awwkward... um.. um I keep thinking of "The things they carried?" Whenever I see this thread, is that good?
*Cringes at thought of failing at task*
Edit: Oh! What would I like to see, well riding a super space dinosaur across the galaxy might be pretty cool, albeit costly to implement perhaps, consuming lots of polygons or something.
We are given to understand that, in all previous cycles to this one, the reapers likely did exactly as you do to spiders -- you monsterWithout exaggeration? Calling the reapers things like "legion", saying that they are "each a nation", "free of all weakness" - that's all exaggeration. If someone started screaming this at ants in a park, we would think they were in need of immediate medical attention. That's the equivalent of what Sovereign is doing in that scene.
It doesn't make the Reapers seem powerful - it makes them seem pathetic. I don't scream at spiders that humans are "each a nation", "free of all weakness" and that "our numbers will blot out the sky" before smushing it. I smush it, and then move on with my day without thinking.
-- Everyone was likely simply smushed. This time around the plan had to change, thanks to the protheans. If Saren had succeeded in destroying the beacon before Shep was given the vision, Sovereign could have easily gone on pretending to be a geth ship, and never saying a word to anyone, and no one would ever know otherwise until it was too late. I have no doubt that Sovereign believed it would succeed in its mission, but it had likely gauged the military might of the species of this galaxy and understood that there was a chance it could fail. So, when Shep caught up to it on Virmire, it was time to break out fear and intimidation subroutine #18327: Villain Speech.
Do you even like Mass Effect? This was essentially how Shepard talked to all of his enemies... He was always cheesy and over the top. What I'm focusing on is Sovereign's dialogue and how he does such a great job of building up the reapers to be this magnificent race of sentient machines far beyond the comprehension of primitive organics.
None of the villains in Dragon Age have anything that rivals this speech with Sovereign. The closest would be to Loghain when he is fighting against the Hero of Ferelden if my memory serves me correctly. The Arishok never said anything memorable. Corypheus never said anything memorable. I wish Flemeth was the actual villain as she has far more depth and complexity than most of the one-dimensional, cookie cutter villains in all of Dragon Age.
The best thing about Sovereign's speech is the gravely overtones of the voice. The big problem with it though is that it basically follows that old tradition of an antagonist basically giving away all of the information the hero needs so that the viewer gets to see the plot all laid out. Sovereign is the only being in the story that can, at that point, basically reveal to us the truth about the relays and the Citadel. Trouble is, within that universe, this supposedly superior being has absolutely no reason to do this. To make it worse, that undermines the reapers' efforts to ensure that no one knows these things in the first place. Had Sovereign kept its yap shut, Shepard & Co. would continue to think that Saren was the sole threat and that this ship he was flying around in was just a geth craft that ferried him about. For a being that believes itself beyond the comprehension of puny organics, it wasted an awful lot of time in a Q&A with one.
I mean, let's say that while Sovereign was giving this speech, Shepard or one of the companions was recording the entire thing with an omni-tool, which then resulted in the entire galactic community being on high alert because instead of being dummies that were dismissive, they actually took this threat seriously and decided to preemptively put the Citadel on lockdown and the fleets were mobilized to prepare against any large scale assaults by the geth? Well good job Sovereign, you just took away the element of surprise!
The best thing about Sovereign's speech is the gravely overtones of the voice. The big problem with it though is that it basically follows that old tradition of an antagonist basically giving away all of the information the hero needs so that the viewer gets to see the plot all laid out. Sovereign is the only being in the story that can, at that point, basically reveal to us the truth about the relays and the Citadel. Trouble is, within that universe, this supposedly superior being has absolutely no reason to do this. To make it worse, that undermines the reapers' efforts to ensure that no one knows these things in the first place. Had Sovereign kept its yap shut, Shepard & Co. would continue to think that Saren was the sole threat and that this ship he was flying around in was just a geth craft that ferried him about. For a being that believes itself beyond the comprehension of puny organics, it wasted an awful lot of time in a Q&A with one.
I mean, let's say that while Sovereign was giving this speech, Shepard or one of the companions was recording the entire thing with an omni-tool, which then resulted in the entire galactic community being on high alert because instead of being dummies that were dismissive, they actually took this threat seriously and decided to preemptively put the Citadel on lockdown and the fleets were mobilized to prepare against any large scale assaults by the geth? Well good job Sovereign, you just took away the element of surprise!
Or maybe Shepard uses that default cam in the helmet of absolutely every single Alliance soldier that just got switched into permanent "OFF" mode when the plot started. Also, ignoring how comically stupid it is for Sovereign to start revealing the Master Plan ™ to Shepard, the fact that it explained a perfectly cogent (and pithy!) plan illustrates how totally comprehensible the Reapers are as enemies. And, in fact, the very fact that the Reapers aren't currently blotting out the sky with their numbers illustrates that they aren't near as powerful as they make themselves seem (until ME3, when it turns out they are so much more powerful that the very idea that Sovereign had to wait becomes incomprehensible nonsense).
Without exaggeration? Calling the reapers things like "legion", saying that they are "each a nation", "free of all weakness" - that's all exaggeration. If someone started screaming this at ants in a park, we would think they were in need of immediate medical attention. That's the equivalent of what Sovereign is doing in that scene.
It doesn't make the Reapers seem powerful - it makes them seem pathetic. I don't scream at spiders that humans are "each a nation", "free of all weakness" and that "our numbers will blot out the sky" before smushing it. I smush it, and then move on with my day without thinking.
Legion: Yes, they are the biggest force in the galaxy, a huge fricking number of massive nearly indestructible dreadnoughts.
Each a nation: It makes a certain amount of sense when you consider that Reapers are supposed to be made of the essence of millions or billions of organics each.
Free of all weakness: I'll give you this one, it might be an exaggeration, although compared to organics they are certainly very close to it.
I don't know why you imagine that Sovereign was screaming at you, he was actually using his cultured afternoon tea party voice.
Shepard was the one who barged in unannounced into the room he used to commune with Saren, it was only polite to inform him about the facts of life.
After all, the cycle can be a boring affair without taking time to enjoy the small pleasures of scaring the crap out of mortals in an individual fashion from time to time.
Don't try to justify bad writing. Especially the "We are above organics" part right before you see them dissolving humans to build a new Reaper with the organic sludge. Which doesn't work on so many levels, I have no idea why no one checked the writers for drugs.
Excellent suggestion. Reminds me a bit of when I used to beat up on my older brother, but if anyone else tried to mess with him, they had to get past me first.
That's a good comparison. A sibling sort of dynamic sums it up exactly. Two characters who fight often and fiercely, and then switch effortlessly to flawless teamwork. Bonus points if they stop arguing to address and external conflict, and then pick the argument up again afterward without missing a beat.
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