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[SofaJockey]

Only BSN could have a thread like this...

But as we're discussing it:

Rumpy with underwear on is bad... (thank you DAI, Sera and Bull were the best...)

 

I would have no issue with 2 binary choices:

• Be my soulmate / not
• Let's bang, ok / not

[CronoDragoon]

No, refusing to sleep with Tali ends the relationship. The only romances in Mass Effect 2 where sex isn't mandatory is Kelly(since the writer made it ambiguous) and apparently Miranda.

 

I suppose it makes sense in Tali's case. She makes it clear early on that physical intimacy is important to her.

[von uber]

Love not lust

https://www.psycholo...-the-difference

 

'Judith Orloff (born June 25, 1951)^[1] is an American board-certified psychiatrist who incorporates energy medicine and what she calls "energy psychiatry" into her practice.'

 

Yeah I think I'll pass on that.

[Battlebloodmage]

Really curious to see how many guys are into the whole love not lust thing. Could have something to do with gender and biology. Afterall, porn is consumed mostly by guys, and you don't see a husband gets mad at the wife for watching porn. 

[LexXxich]

Regardless of who might want such an option and for what, I'm usually all for player choice being expanded.

[Laughing_Man]

Really curious to see how many guys are into the whole love not lust thing. Could have something to do with gender and biology. Afterall, porn is consumed mostly by guys, and you don't see a husband gets mad at the wife for watching porn. 

 

"Love" is very hard to define, it's certainly amazing when you are in it, no matter if you are a male or a female.

You can lust for someone you love, that's not a contradiction. And when you love someone in the romantic sense,

you require the closeness and intimacy of sex as well, it's a fact of life for most people, there is a tiny minority that is apparently different.

 

But I don't see why that needs to go into a video game, it's not as if any other obscure fetish or particular sexual attraction are going to be represented in game, right?

 

I don't see why this particular tiny minority needs special acknowledgment inside a video game.

 

I mean, in general, cutscenes or any other game choices should be optional, but beyond that I don't see why there is this burning need to Disnify everything in games that are clearly rated for mature audience only.

[Battlebloodmage]

Just in general though, it feels like males place more importance in look. Not only straight men but gay men both strive to get the perfect 10 from my experience. The second part is more generalization, but I don't often see lesbians having to maintain that kind of pressure to look good for other women. Lesbians tend to be more affected by obesity than other groups. The government spent 3.5 millions dollars studying that. Anyway, both males and females can experience love, but I feel like between males and females, males tend to place more emphasis on the lust part. 

 

Anyway, in a perfect world, there would be enough LIs to go around, but in a game, there are only limited amount of options, and they can't account for every single group out there. Most other groups are just variation of gay, straight, or bi. Even if you asexual or something else, you often still being defined by your attraction toward gay, straight, or bi. As long as they're allowed to skip with options or make certain additional dialogues for no sexual encounter then it's good enough for me. 

[Suketchi]

Really curious to see how many guys are into the whole love not lust thing. Could have something to do with gender and biology. Afterall, porn is consumed mostly by guys, and you don't see a husband gets mad at the wife for watching porn. 

 

Or, maybe it has something to do with the fact that women are shamed for being sexual people? 

[Gamedam Meister]

As others have said, Bioware having romances where sex isn't a required part of the romance would be really appreciated. Players should be able to play their characters how they want, in this case seeking a romantic relationship without a sexual relationship. Whether they have it be optional, ambiguous, or even unambiguously non-sexual is up to the writers. Plus having romances be different like this could open up many story avenues that Bioware hasn't really explored yet.

[Battlebloodmage]

Or, maybe it has something to do with the fact that women are shamed for being sexual people? 

Nah, that's not it.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

It's like Shepard's crewmates are all whoremongers when they say that they love you one line, then when you say 'no' not now let's not have sex, the person who 'loves' you so much breaks up with Shepard because she can't have sex.... Come on BioWare I know your writing is better than this.

This is a big problem I had with ME2 "romances". It looked more like shallow, casual sex than anything actually romantic. Shepard might not care much about these characters, but I do.

[Dobbysaurus]

As others have said, Bioware having romances where sex isn't a required part of the romance would be really appreciated. Players should be able to play their characters how they want, in this case seeking a romantic relationship without a sexual relationship. Whether they have it be optional, ambiguous, or even unambiguously non-sexual is up to the writers. Plus having romances be different like this could open up many story avenues that Bioware hasn't really explored yet.

 

Romance without sex?!

 

Why would anyone want that!

 

But I forget, this is BSN. Where weird things happen.

[Suketchi]

Nah, that's not it.

 

Quite the compelling argument you've got there. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Romance without sex?!

 

Why would anyone want that!

 

But I forget, this is BSN. Where weird things happen.

Biology, religious beliefs, upbringing, traumatic experiences, past relationships, etc. There are a lot of reasons why one may not want it or at least not at that stage. And there is nothing wrong with any of those reasons. 

[ZipZap2000]

Reading this thread makes me laugh now.

You've gone through everything blaming everyone from Bioware, to religion, to the romans trying desperately to figure out and explain what's wrong with each others opinions on life love and intimacy.

There's nothing wrong.

You're all people and you're all different, embrace, it admire it and accept it.

[Battlebloodmage]

Quite the compelling argument you've got there. 

Yours as well.

[Suketchi]

Yours as well.

 

[von uber]

I want this sort of relationship in ME:A:

 

 

Let's have some realism here.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Waiting for sex is not an abnormal thing. I just want a relationship that's deeper than simple lust. You know, there's this thing called love.

[Gothfather]

What the Frak?

 

What is this? What ADULT healthy romantic relationships have no sex? Seriously people do not behave this way. Adults do not as a rule have a long protracted romantic relationships with no sex. It might seem that way to virgins and teens that sex is the "prize" or that people are reluctant to have sex but that isn't the norm at all.

 

Adults have sex rather quickly in their romantic dealings. There is a reason that is a three date unwritten "rule." The third date is the date adults normally take things to a sexual level. No the rule doesn't actually exist and a third date doesn't actually mean sex, but it is there because adults have sex EARLY in a relationship where love is the 'prize' not sex. Some budding relationships have sex earlier some later than three dates but it isn't three months or longer when adults start having a sexual component to their relationships. So why does a mature franchises like DA or ME treat sex like the prize?

 

Not sure exactly but it does perpetuate one of the WORSE mental abuses towards teens, teen girls especially. That your value as a person is directly tied to your sexual conduct, that being sexual active makes you less valuable, less than pure. it is false it is abusive frankly, a person's value has ZERO to do with a person being sexually active or not. A person is not worn out, dirty or useless if they have sex. You are not a better person waiting until you get married to have sex that is bullsh!t.

 

I don't need a sex scene for a romance but for the love of god bioware stop making sex a fraking prize to be earned and won. If you want a sex scene to be for later in the game for dramatic effect then fine just don't make it the couple's first sexual experience with each other. Make it clear that the couple are romantically and sexually involved before hand without the need for on screen sex per say.

 

I'd also like to see more work done on non romantic relationships more so than the idea of a sexless romance.

 

TL;DR; Give me adult writing for adult relationships not fraking Teen romance novel writing.

[ZipZap2000]

What the Frak?

What is this? What ADULT healthy romantic relationships have no sex? Seriously people do not behave this way. Adults do not as a rule have a long protracted romantic relationships with no sex. It might seem that way to virgins and teens that sex is the "prize" or that people are reluctant to have sex but that isn't the norm at all.

Adults have sex rather quickly in their romantic dealings. There is a reason that is a three date unwritten "rule." The third date is the date adults normally take things to a sexual level. No the rule doesn't actually exist and a third date doesn't actually mean sex, but it is there because adults have sex EARLY in a relationship where love is the 'prize' not sex. Some budding relationships have sex earlier some later than three dates but it isn't three months or longer when adults start having a sexual component to their relationships. So why does a mature franchises like DA or ME treat sex like the prize?

Not sure exactly but it does perpetuate one of the WORSE mental abuses towards teens, teen girls especially. That your value as a person is directly tied to your sexual conduct, that being sexual active makes you less valuable, less than pure. it is false it is abusive frankly, a person's value has ZERO to do with a person being sexually active or not. A person is not worn out, dirty or useless if they have sex. You are not a better person waiting until you get married to have sex that is bullsh!t.

I don't need a sex scene for a romance but for the love of god bioware stop making sex a fraking prize to be earned and won. If you want a sex scene to be for later in the game for dramatic effect then fine just don't make it the couple's first sexual experience with each other. Make it clear that the couple are romantically and sexually involved before hand without the need for on screen sex per say.

I'd also like to see more work done on non romantic relationships more so than the idea of a sexless romance.

TL;DR; Give me adult writing for adult relationships not fraking Teen romance novel writing.

Old people who've had strokes don't have sex.

They seem happy.

[SentinelMacDeath]

What the Frak?

 

What is this? What ADULT healthy romantic relationships have no sex? Seriously people do not behave this way. Adults do not as a rule have a long protracted romantic relationships with no sex. It might seem that way to virgins and teens that sex is the "prize" or that people are reluctant to have sex but that isn't the norm at all.

 

Adults have sex rather quickly in their romantic dealings. There is a reason that is a three date unwritten "rule." The third date is the date adults normally take things to a sexual level. No the rule doesn't actually exist and a third date doesn't actually mean sex, but it is there because adults have sex EARLY in a relationship where love is the 'prize' not sex. Some budding relationships have sex earlier some later than three dates but it isn't three months or longer when adults start having a sexual component to their relationships. So why does a mature franchises like DA or ME treat sex like the prize?

 

Not sure exactly but it does perpetuate one of the WORSE mental abuses towards teens, teen girls especially. That your value as a person is directly tied to your sexual conduct, that being sexual active makes you less valuable, less than pure. it is false it is abusive frankly, a person's value has ZERO to do with a person being sexually active or not. A person is not worn out, dirty or useless if they have sex. You are not a better person waiting until you get married to have sex that is bullsh!t.

 

I don't need a sex scene for a romance but for the love of god bioware stop making sex a fraking prize to be earned and won. If you want a sex scene to be for later in the game for dramatic effect then fine just don't make it the couple's first sexual experience with each other. Make it clear that the couple are romantically and sexually involved before hand without the need for on screen sex per say.

 

I'd also like to see more work done on non romantic relationships more so than the idea of a sexless romance.

 

TL;DR; Give me adult writing for adult relationships not fraking Teen romance novel writing.

 

isn't it also unhealthy to drill into young adults that sex is absolutely and without question a part of a relationship even if the sex drive is low or not present in one or both partners? And don't get me started on some BS that there is no such thing as no or a low sex drive because there is. 

 

At this point it makes me really angry that most people here are like "I like sex a lot, that means everyone likes sex a lot therefore anyone who says they don't is full of lies". That's not how it works people. Sexual desire is different for every single person. If you enjoy doing the do then good for you but stop talking like there are no people that don't enjoy having sex. 

[ZipZap2000]

"Doing the do." Is a good one.

In some parts of oz its called

"Going for a sponge."

[SentinelMacDeath]

to add to that, you know why not a lot of people would own up to not enjoying sex and/or not always enjoying sex? Because apparently it's considered as something abnormal, shameful, something that has to be cured or else you can never have a working relationship ever because everybody has to love the old in and out. So there might be people out there that just suck it up and f*ck, not enjoying themselves just because they think it has to be that way. Does that sound right? 

 

Adults, not ashamed of their sexuality, sexual desires, sexual needs and emotions would talk about it. Figure out if they can work with each other. That's how it should be. Don't just assume things. Maker's breath ... seriously. 

[Gothfather]

isn't it also unhealthy to drill into young adults that sex is absolutely and without question a part of a relationship even if the sex drive is low or not present in one or both partners? And don't get me started on some BS that there is no such thing as no or a low sex drive because there is. 

 

At this point it makes me really angry that most people here are like "I like sex a lot, that means everyone likes sex a lot therefore anyone who says they don't is full of lies". That's not how it works people. Sexual desire is different for every single person. If you enjoy doing the do then good for you but stop talking like there are no people that don't enjoy having sex. 

 

Sex is absolutely and without question part of a HEALTHY adult relationship. Sex is a biological function there is only ONE biological reason for existence to procreate. The entire evolutionary process demands that normal healthy adults pass on their genes, period. Sex is that mechanism so it is NORMAL for adults to have a sex drive. Do all people have one? No but that isn't a normal reaction to our biology, a normal reaction is to have a sex drive. To say that isn't the norm is to be ignorant of basic biological science. 

 

What makes me really angry is the fact you seem to think that lack of a sex drive is normal. And I use normal not in a value judgement sense but what one can normally predict with a basic level biosciences. Science allows for prediction and within that you can predict what are normal responses to stimuli. Are these the only responses to said stimuli? No but you can predict and test what the normal response or responses are and other responses are 'outliers,' aka not a 'normal' response. This again is not a moral judgement here, it is simply stating facts, normal isn't inherently better or worse but rather the standard response to x stimuli.

 

So yes we should tell young adults and teens the sexual activity is without a doubt the normal response to romantic relationships. Why? because teens should be told the truth. At the same time we should also tell teens that sex should happen when THEY want to not when someone else wants or not when society expects them to. This means both to saying no or yes to decision to become sexually active. If they are ready then they should become sexually active and if they are not ready they shouldn't become sexually active. The key is for THEM to make the decision.

 

Asexuality/demisexuality as far as i can determine makes up 1-1.5% of the population depending on the study. So we should take a response to stimuli that that 98.5% of the human population would not respond to and add it into the game? How is that a wise use of resources? It is crazy to think that a developer to cater to such a small percentage of players especially when there are other forms of representation that can reach a lot more people. How about a main character that is of Indian (as in Indian subcontinent) decent or someone from southeast or east Asia. That is a lot larger demographic than Asexuals and they have almost zero representation period in Bioware games.

 

Bloody hell what do people expect? What do you think the AVERAGE response would be by someone with a sex drive if they were told by someone I love you but I don't want to have sex with you, period? Not I'm not ready yet but rather I DON'T want to have sex period? They are going to say good bye because MOST people are sexual beings so it seems pretty fraking responsible and realistic that the choice is bang or end the relationship.