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[Battlebloodmage]

Don't see how avoiding works. It just makes desire in the romance like a 'do not mention the war' taboo issue. That is not good.
It should be integral and integrated.

As in an asexual character and can't be romance by a sexual person? 

[Shechinah]

Sure, maybe wait for an indefinite amount of time for various reasons like marriage or getting to know each other better, but for a sexual person to stay completely chaste for the rest of the relationship is just not possible. If the option exists to skip it as in wait then fine. I'm not sure what's the point of keeping it drag on as Bioware stated they realize that and should offer option to skip it if they don't want to. The skip could be role play as asexual or just wait, but for sexual person who likes a defined relationship then they could choose the other option to have it. Options are always good. 

 

From what I've heard but have not seen for myself, it was an option in the first Mass Effect to pass on the sexual content in the romance culmination without ending the romance itself which I would like to see make a return especially since sometimes the reasoning behind rejection is not "I'm not interested at all" but "I'm not interested now".

 

I believe I've mentioned previously in the thread a couple of reasons that are unconnected to a disinterest in sex but instead connected to a disinterest in sex at the time. The interlude before the suicide mission in Mass Effect 2 was the one I mentioned, I believe. There were some romances where there were risks that it could lead to one of the parties involved including Shepard themselves to becoming compromised and therefore lowering the chance of the mission's success. There were the stress of the mission or the guilt of having to postpone the rescue attempt of the crew in favor of increasing preparedness. 

 

Sometimes the content triggers with awful timing. Sometimes there are implications that makes the romance feel rather questionable if the content is mandatory. Sometimes it triggers before you feel that there's really been established a relationship or sufficent emotional connection. Sometimes the scene looks bad.      

 

Basically, I would be happy with a "Not now" option. It would be only fair considering how often the companions gets the option without it ending the romance.
 

[Shechinah]

It should be integral and integrated.

 

I've seen you mention this in a similar vein before but despite curiousity, I've never gotten around to asking how you'd see it implemented as an integral part in a romance especially in such a way that it would not be possible if the sexual content is optional or given a "not now" option.

 

This, of course, would not apply to characters such as Isabela where physical intimacy is a visible part and important part of their characterization. 

[wright1978]

As in an asexual character and can't be romance by a sexual person?

No if they add a specific asexual romance that is different, though I'd query if it came at expense of typical romance choice or the overall quality? Point I was Making is the concept of making sex in romance an optional feature means sex/desire then can't be integrated into the wider romance. Hence I don't think that's an acceptable compromise as it makes desire a taboo outside of a singular cutscene.

[Battlebloodmage]

No if they add a specific asexual romance that is different, though I'd query if it came at expense of typical romance choice or the overall quality? Point I was Making is the concept of making sex in romance an optional feature means sex/desire then can't be integrated into the wider romance. Hence I don't think that's an acceptable compromise as it makes desire a taboo outside of a singular cutscene.

I get what you're saying. As I have stated my position which is I'm ok as long as the relationship is made clear to be sexual in nature, even if I don't see anything, I'm ok with it. It's basically something I like to know when headcanon my character with the LI. This is why I couldn't do Josephine romance and have to switch to Cassandra due to its ambiguity. I don't think I want an asexual relationship, and them having to account for straight, gay, and bi meaning the relationship is already very limited. Most would have 1 or 2 options, especially for gay and lesbians, and if they only have one option and that option is asexual, it wouldn't be a good feeling. I'm terribly sorry for anyone who is asexual, but unless the option is extra outside of the typical one, I don't think I can accept such an option. I'm down for having optional sex for "certain" characters. Would that be ok then? 

[Shechinah]

No if they add a specific asexual romance that is different, though I'd query if it came at expense of typical romance choice or the overall quality? Point I was Making is the concept of making sex in romance an optional feature means sex/desire then can't be integrated into the wider romance. Hence I don't think that's an acceptable compromise as it makes desire a taboo outside of a singular cutscene.

 

Not, I believe, if it was tied to dialogue options. It would allow for it to have a noticeable presence but for said presence to be selectable by the player which ideally could benefit the roleplaying aspect and provide a workaround to poor timing on the game's part.

 
 

[Shechinah]

I'm down for having optional sex for "certain" characters. Would that be ok then? 

 

Eh, I'll be happy even if it is only a few characters whose romances have an optional component especially since I feel that sometimes making the sexual component mandatory restricts exploring certain things and can make it feel a bit wierd that all these races are biologically compatible. I kind of tend to headcanon that sometimes the characters don't do the slot or rub thing but rather find more creative ways to circumvent biological incompatibility.

 

I will, however, continue to hope for the truely alien romance in which intimacy is a psychedelic experience.
 

[Gothfather]

I agree that sex shouldn't be used as some sort of prize at the end of the romance. It just should be part of the deepening process.

Don't agree regarding sex scene not being shown, i think it's pretty important to at least make some sort of an effort to represent that element of the relationship.

 

There are plenty of forms of visual entertainment that convey sex without showing an on screen sex scene. It isn't required to show it is an active component of a relationship. I am not advocating for the removal of sex scenes be it with nudity like DA:I or with suggestive scenes like ME1/ME3. I am saying that these scenes in an of themselves are not integral to conveying sex as a part of a relationship. A conversation can be used and is often used in television to inform the audience that so and so had sex.

 

The truth is i'd rather they write adult level relationship where sex isn't a price to be won with no sex scene then write a romance with sex presented as a price with sex scenes. The reason is that the former is a truthful representation the latter is childish. (And to be clear what makes the two examples honest and childish has zero to do with the sex scene or lack of one.)

[Shechinah]

I'd kind of dig seeing more evidence of the relationship that is not flirtatious dialogue or a sexual scene. I don't know: some dates, maybe even the optional choice of giving the romanced companion some presence in the player character's room by, I don't know, providing them a drawer.

[wright1978]

I've seen you mention this in a similar vein before but despite curiousity, I've never gotten around to asking how you'd see it implemented as an integral part in a romance especially in such a way that it would not be possible if the sexual content is optional or given a "not now" option.

See if it's optional I see a high likelihood romance dialogue/behaviour by either character being purged of sexual desire, playful innuendo about sex, that extra level of intimacy afterwards (if romances are going to stop using sex as a end Prize & be deeper and better).

Off the top of my head a couple of there feels like there is some integration/acknowledgement of the sexual relationship with a romance.
There's sexual lines in the isabela romance that only work because having had sex beforehand has happened.
Equally there's a very suggestive line I love from Triss in tw3 about throwing down a hide and ...

[wright1978]

There are plenty of forms of visual entertainment that convey sex without showing an on screen sex scene. It isn't required to show it is an active component of a relationship. I am not advocating for the removal of sex scenes be it with nudity like DA:I or with suggestive scenes like ME1/ME3. I am saying that these scenes in an of themselves are not integral to conveying sex as a part of a relationship. A conversation can be used and is often used in television to inform the audience that so and so had sex.
 
The truth is i'd rather they write adult level relationship where sex isn't a price to be won with no sex scene then write a romance with sex presented as a price with sex scenes. The reason is that the former is a truthful representation the latter is childish. (And to be clear what makes the two examples honest and childish has zero to do with the sex scene or lack of one.)

I get what you mean. A big issue of mine with the lack of a Miranda sex scene in me3 wasn't in particular the lack nudity or sex,
It was going from dialogue foreplay to being dumped fully clothed outside the room. A quick outro after fade to black of two familiar lovers getting dressed and playfully teasing one another would left me with a totally different feeling.

[Larry-3]

My rating

With flirts, romances, and scenes
ME 1: ☆☆☆☆
ME 2: ☆☆☆☆☆
ME 3: ☆☆☆

Without flirst, romances, and scenes
ME 1: ☆☆ 1/2
ME 2: ☆☆☆ 1/2
ME 3: ☆ 1/2

[Shechinah]

1. See if it's optional I see a high likelihood romance dialogue/behaviour by either character being purged of sexual desire, playful innuendo about sex, that extra level of intimacy afterwards (if romances are going to stop using sex as a end Prize & be deeper and better).

2. Off the top of my head a couple of there feels like there is some integration/acknowledgement of the sexual relationship with a romance.
There's sexual lines in the isabela romance that only work because having had sex beforehand has happened.

 

1. I still do not see why the optional option would prevent this from happening or from being shown. You'd still have the sex, the cuddling and the intimacy as well as the playful innuendos and talk.

 

2. There could still be characters like Isabela. The optionality would simply not apply since unlike many of the other characters, her sexual nature actually plays an important part in her characterization and her romance.
 

[von uber]

It's just the moral code that a lot of people follow (Including me) 

 

Yes, but why? Habit? Religion? Societal pressure? Culture?

[Puddi III]

Yes, but why? Habit? Religion? Societal pressure? Culture?

When it comes down to issues like STDs and kids, I have to assume it is that dinosaur of cultural brainwashing with abstinence-only BS that comes mainly from religion. Because lol contraception

[wright1978]

1. I still do not see why the optional option would prevent this from happening or from being shown. You'd still have the sex, the cuddling and the intimacy as well as the playful innuendos and talk.
 
2. There could still be characters like Isabela. The optionality would simply not apply since unlike many of the other characters, her sexual nature actually plays an important part in her characterization and her romance.

If the sex isn't there definitely then writers will likely write more conservatively in regards the romance to accommodate both paths.

Isabela's is a good example of how sex timing and reflection of sexual nature of romance has been done in a better manner. Personally I don't think this should be restricted just to women/men who are very overtly openly sexual like Isabela but should be present to a degree in many of the romances.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

But they have proven they can have  romances without sex 

 

 

Two of the Dragon Inquisitions romances actually don't have sex scenes -Solas and Josephine- so they can do it.

 

With Josephine it's implied that her and Inquisitor they have sex. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean that the Inquisitor wasn't having sex with either one of them and it's very safe to assume that the Inquisitor was having sex with Josephine during the years between the game and Trespasser DLC.  

[Elhanan]

Yes, but why? Habit? Religion? Societal pressure? Culture?

Why not? Cannot see why any of those examples invalidates an opinion.

Of course, some of those with bias against those reasons may be startled, causing their shoulder chips to quake a bit. But those with open minds towards other norms should not have a problem, IMO.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

With Josephine it's implied that her and Inquisitor they have sex. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean that the Inquisitor wasn't having sex with either one of them and it's very safe to assume that the Inquisitor was having sex with Josephine during the years between the game and Trespasser DLC.  

It's only implied if you choose the option that implies. The romance in and of itself never makes an implication one way or the other. 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

When it comes down to issues like STDs and kids, I have to assume it is that dinosaur of cultural brainwashing with abstinence-only BS that comes mainly from religion. Because lol contraception

Hey it's a game for adults only, they don't have to force their religious/feminist influence on these matters. And kids (boys) will eventually get into mature content because of curiosity about sex but hey **** happens. It's nothing wrong with adult content as long as it is not extreme and degrading, it should be kept into moderation when it comes to sexual themes and nudity.

[NM_Che56]

An interesting point.

When watching the complete romance vids on youtube I often skip the so called sex scene. Besides Jacks quickie down stairs that is.

Why?

It fits her character to do that.

I think they could remove sex entirely and it would make little difference in the long run.

Curiosity seems to be driving the requests.

My own preference is to be able to skip if I've already seen it. Not if I don't want to though.

 

 

 

Yeah.  I'm not opposed to them being in a game.  I just find it curious as to why it's so important for some people to have sex scenes.

[NM_Che56]

eww rage comics, jesus, even the sh1tposters are cringry in this thread

that was the desired result

[Battlebloodmage]

Yeah.  I'm not opposed to them being in a game.  I just find it curious as to why it's so important for some people to have sex scenes.

Why is it curious as to why people find it important? 

[NM_Che56]

Why is it curious as to why people find it important? 

Because it's a small piece of optional content in a game that isn't centered around sex.

[Iakus]

Why is it curious as to why people find it important? 

Because it's something people don't understand.  Just as people don't understand why others may find it important to have a no sex scene option.

 

Incidentally, how do those who do want sex scenes want potential consequences dealt with?  In the ToB expansion to BG2, Aerie gets pregnant.  If we want sex in the game, do we want unexpected pregnancies, STDs, angry family members, etc to go along with it?