Because it's something people don't understand. Just as people don't understand why others may find it important to have a no sex scene option.
Incidentally, how do those who do want sex scenes want potential consequences dealt with? In the ToB expansion to BG2, Aerie gets pregnant. If we want sex in the game, do we want unexpected pregnancies, STDs, angry family members, etc to go along with it?
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Ok. I'm in!
Because it's a small piece of optional content in a game that isn't centered around sex.
Why can't people enjoy this piece of optional content if they want to?
Why can't people enjoy this piece of optional content if they want to?
They can. But some of the enjoyment feels a bit out of proportion.
I enjoyed the hacking mini-games in ME2, but I wasn't upset when they were removed in Mass Effect 3.
They can. But some of the enjoyment feels a bit out of proportion.
I enjoyed the hacking mini-games in ME2, but I wasn't upset when they were removed in Mass Effect 3.
Maybe because these kinds of content can't be find elsewhere or at least a combination of everything which make it unique?
Maybe because these kinds of content can't be find elsewhere or at least a combination of everything which make it unique?
Off the top of my head, it's found in The Witcher 2 and 3.
Off the top of my head, it's found in The Witcher 2 and 3.
Only if you are a straight man, no? Nothing against it, but if you want to enjoy a combination of it as other groups, it wouldn't be the same.
Only if you are a straight man, no? Nothing against it, but if you want to enjoy a combination of it as other groups, it wouldn't be the same.
I don't know. I don't dally with other options.
Orientation aside, I mean that the idea of having sex scenes in an action RPG centered around choice and consequence isn't unique.
I don't know. I don't dally with other options.
Orientation aside, I mean that the idea of having sex scenes in an action RPG centered around choice and consequence isn't unique.
But having those contents available to your taste is unique, no?
But having those contents available to your taste is unique, no?
I'm not sure. I don't pay attention to it enough to know all of the games that have it and those that don't.
That being said, I still don't get why it's a big deal to have it (even from a hetero-perspective).
I'm not sure. I don't pay attention to it enough to know all of the games that have it and those that don't.
That being said, I still don't get why it's a big deal to have it (even from a hetero-perspective).
I hope one day it's not a big deal anymore when there are more games that offer these other kinds of relationships for people to enjoy.
Because it's something people don't understand. Just as people don't understand why others may find it important to have a no sex scene option.
Incidentally, how do those who do want sex scenes want potential consequences dealt with? In the ToB expansion to BG2, Aerie gets pregnant. If we want sex in the game, do we want unexpected pregnancies, STDs, angry family members, etc to go along with it?
I'd have no issues if such things were brought in, though you'd need some decent reasoning why advanced technology and medicine hasn't obviated some of those issues.
I'd have no issues if such things were brought in, though you'd need some decent reasoning why advanced technology and medicine hasn't obviated some of those issues.
I still do not see why the optional option would prevent this from happening or from being shown. You'd still have the sex, the cuddling and the intimacy as well as the playful innuendos and talk.
I think it all boils down to the conclusion that people who have a problematic stance on seeing sex are adverse to hearing the innuendo in the same way. You might call that "stuck up". I'm quite confused myself: Why would people be fine with hearing the flirting, the sexual innuendo, and even seeing the kissing but then suddenly chicken out from a thirty second sex scene?
I think most people don't mind the optional approach so much, as long as that means that it doesn't create romances which are solely based around the idea of trying to refrain from any sexual innuendo or sex.
The optionality would simply not apply since unlike many of the other characters, her sexual nature actually plays an important part in her characterization and her romance.
And here's the thing: I'll guarantee you that we'd still not hear the end of it. People would start making topics, asking for Isabela to become an optional sex companion. They would totally ignore that sex and her emotional approach to it are necessary parts of her character development throughout the game, feeling discriminated for not being able to experience that romance with an optional conversation.
If the sex isn't there definitely then writers will likely write more conservatively in regards the romance to accommodate both paths.
Miranda's ME2 romance didn't avoid flirting or innuendos, and sex was optional in that romance.
Miranda's ME2 romance didn't, and sex was optional in that.
That was optional? I distinctively remember her suggesting it and then jumping on my male Shepard in engineering. I remember her saying that she'd "come by" right after locking in the romance, with the sex scene playing out without much interruptions. I can't even remember a conversation wheel prior to it.
That was optional? I distinctively remember her suggesting it and then jumping on my male Shepard in engineering. I remember her saying that she'd "come by" right after locking in the romance, with the sex scene playing out without much interruptions. I can't even remember a conversation wheel prior to it.
Yes it was. She was the only romance in Mass Effect 2 where having sex was optional, other than Kelly who was written to be ambiguous.
There is a conversation when you leave the galaxy map and she approaches you, and you can choose whether to accept or decline her invitation. If you accept, then it triggers the scene in engineering.
Miranda's ME2 romance didn't avoid flirting or innuendos, and sex was optional in that romance.
It also followed the rather poor sex as a prize which many people want to see changed.
It had 2 paths renegade and paragon, so that is perhaps one way to accomodate both but it may be a resource intensive one, which carries its own price.
That was optional? I distinctively remember her suggesting it and then jumping on my male Shepard in engineering. I remember her saying that she'd "come by" right after locking in the romance, with the sex scene playing out without much interruptions. I can't even remember a conversation wheel prior to it.
And here's the thing: I'll guarantee you that we'd still not hear the end of it. People would start making topics, asking for Isabela to become an optional sex companion. They would totally ignore that sex and her emotional approach to it are necessary parts of her character development throughout the game, feeling discriminated for not being able to experience that romance with an optional conversation.
I'm lacking a better phrasing of what I am about to say so I'll preface it by saying that despite the impressions it might give, it was not intended to have a rude tone:
So?
I'm sorry, I'm not sure I quite follow? It may be because I am still a bit sick and so still a bit muddled in the head but I think I've already provided reasons for this in post #427 and once before though you may not have seen it. It's not all tied to an aversion of sex.
If I am misunderstanding you then would you mind trying to re-phrase it a bit differently or explain it a bit more simple? Like I said, I am still sick so it is likely because I am a bit muddled in the head.
I like that word: muddled. muddled. I think it's the way it sounds.
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If they make romances where sex is mandatory, I think they should also have romances where no sex is mandatory. It would allow Bioware to explore different romance avenues that they can't if sex is part of the romance due to the same reasons.
And skipping the scene is not a solution since the characters still have sex.
Modifié par BioWareMod02, 28 janvier 2016 - 09:50 .
I can't believe Miranda, having sex where Tali works... Shep's got a nice bed up there.
I'd be sure to leave a note saying where all the stains came from.
If I am misunderstanding you then would you mind trying to re-phrase it a bit differently or explain it a bit more simple? Like I said, I am still sick so it is likely because I am a bit muddled in the head.
I remember your reasoning from the mentioned post. I think it boiled down to having the option of saying "not now", correct?
I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment when looking at it from a purely relationship development point of view. I do get what you're saying in terms of feeling that the relationship hasn't matured enough yet, thus including a "not now" option instead of a "not at all" approach. That's something I do support, although I would argue that the idea of consumating a love or relationship prior to the final battle or the conclusive duel is a frequent part of fiction for decades. Even centuries.
What I was adressing with that quote was that the idea of writing a romance specificaly for asexual people to not revolve around sex might be a bad example of throwing money at a minority. Money that could be spend to develop more companion quests or actual story for a good majority. I don't mind people saying "I don't want to have sex right now" in particular. But I do mind wanting a specific romance catered to every possible sexual orientation out there.
If they make romances where sex is mandatory, I think they should also have romances where no sex is mandatory.
I don't quite agree, mainly because the usual implication is that a relationship involves sex. We might argue as to the exact specifics about "when" and "how", but the general public consent is that relationships usually involve sex. If Bioware manages to write a good and detailed character which has an aversion to physical intimacy, that's fine by me. I'd love that. But just writing second-quality romances for the sake of catering to all possible sexualities seems to be a waste.
And skipping the scene is not a solution since the characters still have sex.
That is your own headcanon. At least as soon as you skip out when the screen fades to black. Your characters could be watching a movie. That's just your dirty mind. 
I can't believe Miranda, having sex where Tali works... Shep's got a nice bed up there.
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