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[Shechinah]

Let's call it my personal preference not to start useless sh'tstorms in a forum I like to read. Although the next one is approaching fast. It's only a question of "when" these days.

 

Anyway. I was trying to point out the hypocrisy there. You can't enforce the inclusion of optional sex for certain characters. That's why an "optional" idea isn't always possible. I agree that a conversation option would work for some characters, but you can't make "optional" the per se situation in every romance. That would seriously backfire in terms of character development.

 

This is what the crowd advocating for an optional setting has to realize before actually starting the riot: There are certain characters which can't have an optional setting based on their development and situation. Instead of wasting money and development time on trying to include optional sex for every romance, or write romances for the sole purpose of not relying/showing sex, enabling people to simply skip the scene should be a solution enough.

 

I am not advocating an optional option that applies to all romanceable characters? I am in favor of an optional option that applies to romanceable characters to whom it make senses for and whose characterization it does not compromise. Just as I believe that making sex mandatory in all romances can inhibit characterization and character ideas, I believe making sex optional in all romances can inhibit characterization and character ideas.

 

Additionally, a skip scene option would not change the aforementioned reasons I've mentioned previously because the sex would still have been a thing that happened and therefore the reasons remain hence why I would prefer a "Not now" option instead.   

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't quite agree, mainly because the usual implication is that a relationship involves sex. We might argue as to the exact specifics about "when" and "how", but the general public consent is that relationships usually involve sex. If Bioware manages to write a good and detailed character which has an aversion to physical intimacy, that's fine by me. I'd love that. But just writing second-quality romances for the sake of catering to all possible sexualities seems to be a waste.

I'm not even talking about sexualities. There have been great romance stories told where the two involved refrain from sex for one or more of a variety of reasons, but because Bioware seems to have to include sex either optionally or mandatory they can never tell those kinds of stories, which is a shame because interpersonal stories are Bioware's strength and they would do a great job.  

 

That is your own headcanon. At least as soon as you skip out when the screen fades to black. Your characters could be watching a movie. That's just your dirty mind.

No it's not, since the characters and even others refer back to that scene as having involved sex. The only times they don't is when the romances are written to be ambiguous. 

[Master Warder Z_]

The only times they don't is when the romances are written to be ambiguous. 

 

Which is a rarity period, in even say Persona Naoto will straight up reference that you two had sex.

 

Even though their was nothing depicted and it straight up did black screen.

[BCMakoto]

 

I am not advocating an optional option that applies to all romanceable characters? I am in favor of an optional option that applies to romanceable characters to whom it make senses for and whose characterization it does not compromise. Just as I believe that making sex mandatory in all romances can inhibit characterization and character ideas, I believe making sex optional in all romances can inhibit characterization and character ideas.

 

I support the optional notion, as long as it makes sense for the character. We're in agreement there. But I'm against writing new characters for the sole purpose of fitting yet another sexuality into the game. If they can pull it of and publish a convincing story and a really good character, fine by me. But don't try to fit an asexual character in just because.

[Shechinah]

Well, we've reached an agreement through calm and polite discussion and exchange of ideas and opinions. It feels good... though, I am a bit worried that we may have upset some balance of the forums that may be.

[wright1978]

Well, we've reached an agreement through calm and polite discussion and exchange of ideas and opinions. It feels good... though, I am a bit worried that we may have upset some balance of the forums that may be.

I guess I could just about accept such a compromise in the end, with the big caveat that it all depends on how it is implemented, given I was very unimpressed with dai's walking of this line.

[Seboist]

Which is a rarity period, in even say Persona Naoto will straight up reference that you two had sex.

 

Even though their was nothing depicted and it straight up did black screen.

Yu Narukami got so much ass in P4 that he had to lift his balls up from the ground and ask them to come back home with him.

[Corwyn]

OP the moment you'll find in real life a human specimen (of both genders) that wants a romantic relationship without sex then please contact the WWF because you a got a rare specimen there.

Sex is not something to be ashamed of, it is part of nature...........deal with it and with all the religious mumbo jumbo that was taught to you.

Or you could do 30 seconds of work on Google and look up things like the asexual movement. It's unrelated to any religious mumbo jumbo. Of course this is the Internet so you can just go on making knee-jerk generalizations about anybody who isn't like you.

Personally I want sex in the game but I'm fine if they give the option for a platonic romance.

[ZipZap2000]

Yeah. I'm not opposed to them being in a game. I just find it curious as to why it's so important for some people to have sex scenes.

Why go to the moon?

Or more on topic why reveal Tali's face?

Cant leave everything to the imagination all the time.

[DaemionMoadrin]

This topic makes no sense. First of all, the development of the game should be at a content complete stage, so asking for anything that can't be coded in quickly is pointless. Changes to romances would require the writers to go over all the dialogue they have written so far and have the voice actors speak new lines. That's not going to happen.

 

Secondly, I have yet to see BioWare accurately depict a relationship. Their usual "three conversations and a sex scene" isn't enough... and if you want to skip the sex scene completey, then there's not much left.

 

What's missing is actually spending time with your LI outside of combat. Eat meals together, have them move into your cabin, just hang out with them, maybe have them take initiative and start a conversation when you come back from a mission.

 

I very much doubt we'll ever see this happen though.

[Master Warder Z_]

Yu Narukami got so much ass in P4 that he had to lift his balls up from the ground and ask them to come back home with him.

In Golden he can even romance the reincarnation of his prior reincarnation's waifu.

._.

Who incindently is the primary antagonist. Marie is such a Tsundere.

[Seboist]

In Golden he can even romance the reincarnation of his prior reincarnation's waifu.

._.

Who incindently is the primary antagonist. Marie is such a Tsundere.

Yu going through the female population of his school and the final boss shows what a top notch player he is. The only thing stopping him having a flawless record is not getting to smash the superboss/Marge.

[Dirgegun]

i'm not going to read all the pages because just the first page is a painful enough read, but I think this should be an option. After all, there are plenty of people who are romantically inclined but asexual. No one is asking for your precious sex scenes to be removed, just for the option to follow the romantic subplot but without the sex. And romantic subplots without sex can be just as fulfilling and lead to just as much development for your character. 

[BCMakoto]

 

And romantic subplots without sex can be just as fulfilling and lead to just as much development for your character.

 

As long as the character supports it, yes. Isabela and Jack wouldn't support such a character development though. Having sex with them on a casual basis is important to further the emotional relationship along. That's what people are saying. Have it fit the character and optional. Don't force a sexless relationship on an otherwise sexual active character. Josephine is an example. She was displayed overly exotic and sensual, as well as being flirty. Yet there was no scene or "scene" involved.

 

 

After all, there are plenty of people who are romantically inclined but asexual.

 

Could we stop with this asexual argumentation? There is a fundamental difference between the request you are supporting and asexuality. The request put forward, as well as the solution proposed, involve someone who does have a sexuality turning down a single request for sex at their own perril. That has nothing to do with asexuality.

 

A romance designed for asexuality or catering to asexual people is quite different than allowing a single instance of sex to be overturned. Characters would react differently to either of those. Isabela might accept turning down casual sex once and not run away in terror, but she would not accept asexuality per se.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

As long as the character supports it, yes. Isabela and Jack wouldn't support such a character development though. Having sex with them on a casual basis is important to further the emotional relationship along. That's what people are saying. Have it fit the character and optional. Don't force a sexless relationship on an otherwise sexual active character. Josephine is an example. She was displayed overly exotic and sensual, as well as being flirty. Yet there was no scene or "scene" involved.

How was Josephine displayed sensually? Quite a few people who complained about her being a LI say the opposite. And when was she flirty? The flirts came from the Inquisitor, not Josephine. And again, it is not necessarily sexless. The romance was written to be ambiguous, meaning that those who want to see the relationship as involving sexual relations you can just like those who want to see it one without such relations can.

[Donk]

In Golden he can even romance the reincarnation of his prior reincarnation's waifu.

._.

Who incindently is the primary antagonist. Marie is such a Tsundere.

Spoilers man! I'm only up to saving Rise.

Otherwise.. Interesting. Gotta remember to spend more time with her.

[Just Here For Popcorns]

I want that kind of relationship in where if I let my LI be killed I get credits to console my pain.

 

Ah Lydia, Ysolda, Taarie, Sylgja, Orla, Iona, Grelka, Muiri, Camilla, Brelyna and even Sanguine...I still remember marrying you all only to kill you and get quick gold for your "unfortunate deaths".

 

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[wright1978]

How was Josephine displayed sensually? Quite a few people who complained about her being a LI say the opposite. And when was she flirty? The flirts came from the Inquisitor, not Josephine. And again, it is not necessarily sexless. The romance was written to be ambiguous, meaning that those who want to see the relationship as involving sexual relations you can just like those who want to see it one without such relations can.

 

Then its extremely badly done as to many it comes off as a chaste romance.

[Dirgegun]

As long as the character supports it, yes. Isabela and Jack wouldn't support such a character development though. Having sex with them on a casual basis is important to further the emotional relationship along. That's what people are saying. Have it fit the character and optional. Don't force a sexless relationship on an otherwise sexual active character. Josephine is an example. She was displayed overly exotic and sensual, as well as being flirty. Yet there was no scene or "scene" involved.

 

 

Could we stop with this asexual argumentation? There is a fundamental difference between the request you are supporting and asexuality. The request put forward, as well as the solution proposed, involve someone who does have a sexuality turning down a single request for sex at their own perril. That has nothing to do with asexuality.

 

A romance designed for asexuality or catering to asexual people is quite different than allowing a single instance of sex to be overturned. Characters would react differently to either of those. Isabela might accept turning down casual sex once and not run away in terror, but she would not accept asexuality per se.

 

My apologies, I should have worded what I meant better. I was talking from a player perspective-- or, rather, I was offering one example of a player perspective and failed to offer others. My bad on that. Either way, I meant that there's no real reason to not be able to turn down sex and still be able to follow the romantic plot. Even if there is the 'promise' of sex later on down the line, turning down the sex scene in the game really shouldn't kick someone in the teeth. Maybe the player is asexual and, without a proper asexual romance option, would at least like to forgo seeing it in their game. Maybe the player just feels uncomfortable watching that kind of thing. Maybe their character wouldn't agree to sex at that time because it's too soon or whatever. 

 

Dorian is a sensual character, but turning down his sex scene didn't break the romance and even lead to it's own sweet moment with him. Yeah, there was the 'promise' of sex later, but it wasn't a scene the player had to watch play out in their game. Whether or not it's left as 'later on' or 'never' depends on the character, very true, but turning down the sex scene in game shouldn't be a hassle, I don't think. Just write it in a way that makes sense for that particular character and I really don't see how 'not at this time' or 'I'm not ready yet' should be a problem for anyone/character, either. 

[Chealec]

Then its extremely badly done as to many it comes off as a chaste romance.

 

Outside of poorly written Victorian romantic poetry, I'm not sure that isn't an oxymoron.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Then its extremely badly done as to many it comes off as a chaste romance.

Tell me about it. I want to make love to Josie thick self but noooooooo. Jerks.

[von uber]

Well maybe we need potential LI's to have a chaperone at all times.
And you can buy a promise ring for them.

[Elhanan]

Well maybe we need potential LI's to have a chaperone at all times.
And you can buy a promise ring for them.

Been there; done that in DAO. Liked the idea of gifts, but was not fond of the mechanic. For me, it was a bit better in ME3 where one may purchase gifts in the hospital for an injured crewmate.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

No sex and more relationships??? Really??

[Battlebloodmage]

More sex and less relationship?

 

I actually wouldn't mind less relationships (Less options) if they become essential and indepth, rather than the 3 scenes and then sex, maybe make it more integral and natural.