Been there; done that in DAO. Liked the idea of gifts, but was not fond of the mechanic. For me, it was a bit better in ME3 where one may purchase gifts in the hospital for an injured crewmate.
I prefer the gifts that were more meaningful like Morrigan's mirror. It felt like a very thoughtful gift because of how the Warden remembered Morrigan's story and that she could see that.
How was Josephine displayed sensually?
I could go on about exotic looks and accents as well as flirting behaviour in conversations, but that would be an obvious point. It doesn't need to be taken at face value, but I know many people who believe that her specific accent is considered "sensual". That does seems to be a very widely supported point. Exotic is often sensual, at least when her specific ethnicity and accent is concerned. Josephine was in no way a "chaste" companion or a nun. It was just that the way they handled the sex in that relationship tried to make her out to be one. That wasn't the case.
Quite a few people who complained about her being a LI say the opposite.
And quite a few people might believe Iron Bull isn't at least slightly homosexual. I'm obviously pointing out the subjective nature of this argument.
The flirts came from the Inquisitor, not Josephine.
Really? So I missremember her flirting back at times? That means my Inquisitor forced himself on Josephine, seeing she never flirted back? Or dropped any hints? That's interesting.
The romance was written to be ambiguous, meaning that those who want to see the relationship as involving sexual relations you can just like those who want to see it one without such relations can.
We were arguing this a few hours ago. An ambiguous relationship somewhere between asexuality and sexuality is not a desired state. A character can be well written and have asexual traits, or be badly written and have sexual traits. Or be at any point inbetween. The idea that we just display a character as ambigious as possible and let everyone else make their own headcanon is slightly off. A romance like Isabela, Jack, and even Morrigan cannot be ambigious. The sex is essential to their personality and their emotional development.
An ambigious romance is like the ME endings. Just making all our own details up is a bad idea. Write a good asexual character which fits into the story and add a "not now" instead of a "relationships over" for some characters. That's fine. But writing a character for the whole sake of going into as little detail as possible to possibly satisfy a wide arrange of sexual needs? That seems dangerous.
Then its extremely badly done as to many it comes off as a chaste romance.
In your opinion. I think it's the best romance Bioware has done to date.
Tell me about it. I want to make love to Josie thick self but noooooooo. Jerks.
You can. You just have to use your imagination, like with the other romances.
I could go on about exotic looks and accents as well as flirting behaviour in conversations, but that would be an obvious point. It doesn't need to be taken at face value, but I know many people who believe that her specific accent is considered "sensual". That does seems to be a very widely supported point. Exotic is often sensual, at least when her specific ethnicity and accent is concerned. Josephine was in no way a "chaste" companion or a nun. It was just that the way they handled the sex in that relationship tried to make her out to be one. That wasn't the case.
By that logic everything is sensual since everything is arousing to somebody, thus the kind of romance being asked for can't happen since any character would be sensual. So what makes a character a "chaste" character?
Really? So I missremember her flirting back at times? That means my Inquisitor forced himself on Josephine, seeing she never flirted back? Or dropped any hints? That's interesting.
Not until after the relationship starts at least. She doesn't even know you are genuinely interested into her until after the talk with Leliana, beforehand thinking you were just being flattering.
No, she agrees to the relationship before it starts so isn't forced. So people who don't flirt but are in relationships are forced into them according to you?
We were arguing this a few hours ago. An ambiguous relationship somewhere between asexuality and sexuality is not a desired state. A character can be well written and have asexual traits, or be badly written and have sexual traits. Or be at any point inbetween. The idea that we just display a character as ambigious as possible and let everyone else make their own headcanon is slightly off. A romance like Isabela, Jack, and even Morrigan cannot be ambigious. The sex is essential to their personality and their emotional development.
An ambigious romance is like the ME endings. Just making all our own details up is a bad idea. Write a good asexual character which fits into the story and add a "not now" instead of a "relationships over" for some characters. That's fine. But writing a character for the whole sake of going into as little detail as possible to possibly satisfy a wide arrange of sexual needs? That seems dangerous.
No we weren't. I posted a post and you never replied.
It may not be a desired state for you, but it can be for others.
Yes for some romance paths it won't work, I have agreed with that. Just like some romance paths won't work if there is sex involved, even if optional or ambiguous. But like those, there are scenarios where it would. Solas is such an example, since he was written to have it be ambiguous and yet is the most popular romance in DAI.
So what makes a character a "chaste" character?
There are certain implications and characteristics which make a character appear chaste. Some of those are down to general characteristics associated with a chaste character (shyness, not reacting to flirtatious behaviour, as well as diffiulty to accept intimacy). Some are down to cultural perception of certain roles (One example would be the famous "nun", or "sisterhood").
The plutocracy and "wild celebrations" of Antiva, combined with accents from countries such as Spain and Brazil, certainly don't convey that image to me.
Not until after the relationship starts at least.
The very beginning of something that could be considered an intimate relationship proves that there was flirting from both sides. You can't start a relationship without knowing that the opposite party is heavily interested. My Inquisitor did not force a relationship on Josephine, she readily accepted on her own terms. That means she flirted back, both verbal and non-verbal. The idea that an intimate relationship could start without any form of flirtatious communication from one side is ridiculous.
So people who don't flirt but are in relationships are forced into them according to you?
You seriously mean to imply that there is an intimate relationship out there that did not previously involve flirting, be it verbal or non-verbal? There is a reason for characters moving just the way they do. There's also a reason for making two dozen recordings of a single important line just to get the sound "just right". It's called "body language" and "emotional suggestion". A character doesn't need to openly say: "I think you are handsome!" to actually flirt.
The idea that a romantic relationship could start without both parties previously conveying interest or attraction is ridiculous. This "conveying of interest", be it verbal or non-verbal, that's usually called "flirting".
I'm curious though. You've been arguing with potential cases and "exceptions" for some time now. Can you provide actual evidence of such a relationship existing beyond "I'm in one! Believe me!"?
Solas is such an example, since he was written to have it be ambiguous and yet is the most popular romance in DAI.
That's a false argument based on your own implication of why the romance was good. I just googled your statement, but I couldn't find any evidence about Solas being "by far the most appreciated one."
I will take it at face value now and accept that he was, but that doesn't have to be down to being ambiguous. When I read about why Solas was such a good romance option, the general opinion is usually because of his general characteristics. Compliments. Behaviour. Ideas. Story. All of this does in no way imply that the ambiguous nature made it the desired romance for most. That is something you might be interpreting into the results based on you liking the ambiguous nature of it, but it doesn't have to be the reason Solas is appreciated in the way he is.
Can you provide evidence too? A survey or article which produces unrefutable evidence that Solas was appreciated because he was overly ambigious in terms of sex?
I don't quite agree, mainly because the usual implication is that a relationship involves sex. We might argue as to the exact specifics about "when" and "how", but the general public consent is that relationships usually involve sex. If Bioware manages to write a good and detailed character which has an aversion to physical intimacy, that's fine by me. I'd love that. But just writing second-quality romances for the sake of catering to all possible sexualities seems to be a waste.
I think this is the inevitable end result here we're going to face. I can definitely get behind people wanting Bioware to expand their content, but this seems like we're moving towards the "all groups must be catered to equally", which is a great goal in a perfect world, but inevitably a resource hog.
Yes, it's important. It's also intensely personal. Some people are fine with sex being shown. Some don't mind it happening but don't want to see it in action. And some don't want it at all.
I think I'm a bit of a mix between the bolded camps. For some reason, I don't really mind seeing it in the Bioware games, but in most TV shows and movies it's just awkward and uncomfortable and I would rather not see it, especially if there is the painfully unsexy dirty talk that makes my ears bleed.
Actually, it's probably the dirty talk that ruins it for me. From my experience with Bioware games, there isn't a lot of dirty talk, so it doesn't make the sex scenes weird to see.
Or you could do 30 seconds of work on Google and look up things like the asexual movement. It's unrelated to any religious mumbo jumbo. Of course this is the Internet so you can just go on making knee-jerk generalizations about anybody who isn't like you.
No it's getting tiresome to get track of all these movements popping out of nowhere and getting offended the second you open your mouth.
For Odin's sake, at least have some consistency in this crap. No one is asking to take anything away, and I don't know why folks are acting like this. It's an option for possibly one LI, with the choice to bump pixelated uglies or not. That's it. While there has been a lot of debate, I've seen only a few people demand that sex scenes go away. There are folks that don't like it for one reason or the other, but most don't give a crap. Some want an alternative though.
Personally, I'm okay with the sex scenes. They don't phase me either way, but I can understand the point of view, at least a little bit.
There hopefully will be characters where the sexual nature of the relationship should be mandatory imo, to enable romance dialogue possibilities to be fully pursued.
If it's simply a case of having one romance that suits having 2 paths one sexual and one opting out of sex and further romance dialogue can pass for both that could work.
However it seems simplistic to say this is all that is being suggested/talked about. DAI clearly went another route where sex was removed from some romances and player was apparently meant to headcanon it.
We probably don't have a cuddle option because it's a nightmare to animate. Just feel compelled to point out that this is a video-game, and that this might well be more of a resource hog than the actual options.
Then is this a mod? I'm honesty asking, because I don't know. Otherwise, BioWare has done this before. Cuddling with Garrus in ME2.We probably don't have a cuddle option because it's a nightmare to animate. Just feel compelled to point out that this is a video-game, and that this might well be more of a resource hog than the actual options.
I think I'm a bit of a mix between the bolded camps. For some reason, I don't really mind seeing it in the Bioware games, but in most TV shows and movies it's just awkward and uncomfortable and I would rather not see it, especially if there is the painfully unsexy dirty talk that makes my ears bleed.
Actually, it's probably the dirty talk that ruins it for me. From my experience with Bioware games, there isn't a lot of dirty talk, so it doesn't make the sex scenes weird to see.
I never want to see sex.
Therefore, when sexy time comes on in BW games, I get up and get another beer.
The developers have my full blessing to continue to cater to the sexual crowd (also known as the majority of humans), and I shall adapt. Go forth and plow you beautiful, sexual, beasts!!
Then is this a mod? Otherwise, BioWare has done this before.
https://m.youtube.co...h?v=eCM0pdRJloc
Or do you think it's harder to animate with the Frostbite engine?
I think looks weird - like she's resting on his knee, and they're really far apart. Positionally, I mean. I wouldn't actually consider that cuddling. But maybe I'm just using the word wrong?
I was thinking more of the bodies intertwined while lying down. Or something like this:
But generally I think it's tough to contortion bodies properly in a way that looks realistic as we move toward photo-realistic graphics,
I didn't think it looked all that awkward, but eh, to each their own. It looked almost exactly like the way I cuddle with my husband when we're just chatting about whatever in our PJs. I don't think it would be harder to animate than Iron Bull's romance. They had to work with four races, and they pulled it off well imho. So I still think it's possible for ME5 (whatever it's called) and beyond.
Now, do I think it's going to happen at all? Honestly, I don't. It may or may not be feasible as far as animation goes, but I can see the zots going elsewhere. I will support these requests though, because I think that it's a cool idea. Maybe things will change and this will become easier, who knows?
Edit: Had to toss you a like, Heathen. This beautiful sexual beast shall continue in her quest with her dear husband! You make me chuckle.
Don't get me wrong, I totally support cuddling animations. I just happen to think that one explanation for their lack - in addition to sex - is that it may be expensive on the animation side. Which is why I think, for example, Josie gets cuddles in substitution.
Don't get me wrong, I totally support cuddling animations. I just happen to think that one explanation for their lack - in addition to sex - is that it may be expensive on the animation side. Which is why I think, for example, Josie gets cuddles in substitution.
Spoilers man! I'm only up to saving Rise.
Otherwise.. Interesting. Gotta remember to spend more time with her.
For a game that came out a decade ago...anyway.
Yeah, Marie is the other half of Izanami or a remnant of what she once was once upon a time before the underworld or something to that effect, the game is kind of vague on that aka the sister/wife to Izanagi whom is the PC's persona aka their mask, which incidentally is actually the reincarnation of Yu from the mythic creation era. So its akin to basically romancing the same girl that the prior you romanced a long, long, longer then Star Wars time ago. That said it isn't technically incest anymore as neither of you are directly the same entity although both of you share relations to both of those, so spiritually it may be a bit more muddled but that's going into a lot of concepts the game sort of glosses over.
But yeah its akin to banging your twin sister who isn't really your twin sister who was also your wife, but isn't.
You can. You just have to use your imagination, like with the other romances.
It's boring. I want to have relations with her but they don't want us too. Bunch of scaredycats whoever created the romance in the game.
They aren't scardey-cats because they wanted to make something you didn't like. And many people liked the relations they wanted us to have.
We probably don't have a cuddle option because it's a nightmare to animate. Just feel compelled to point out that this is a video-game, and that this might well be more of a resource hog than the actual options.
WWE games can do it, so can BW.
#MoreHugsInVideogames
If they're not scaredycats they would've stayed ahead of Witcher romance and sexuallity. And they're are a bunch of scaredycats.They aren't scardey-cats because they wanted to make something you didn't like. And many people liked the relations they wanted us to have.
If they're not scaredycats they would've stayed ahead of Witcher romance and sexuallity. And they're are a bunch of scaredycats.
If they're not scaredycats they would've stayed ahead of Witcher romance and sexuallity. And they're are a bunch of scaredycats.
No they wouldn't because again, they wanted to tell the kind of story they did. Telling the story they want to tell is not an act of cowardice.
All you are doing now is repeating the same stuff that isn't even an argument and insulting those who have a different viewpoint than you.
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