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[Laughing_Man]

Also on subject, I keep forgetting to watch it, but BW already said during a panel they would look into including asexual and polyamorous relationships in the future.
http://www.polygon.c...e-relationships

Ah Polygon, you can always trust them to ask the most important questions about video games...
 
I mean new gameplay concepts, better story telling, new cinematic techniques, improved graphics, fair pricing, DLC, mods;
who cares about all this boring stuff?
 
The possibility of making romance an even bigger part of the game than it already is on the other hand,
that's what's interesting to this particular type of gaming media.

[DarthSliver]

Ah Polygon, you can always trust them to ask the most important questions about video games...
 
I mean new gameplay concepts, better story telling, new cinematic techniques, improved graphics, fair pricing, DLC, mods;
who cares about all this boring stuff?
 
The possibility of making romance an even bigger part of the game than it already is on the other hand,
that's what's interesting to this particular type of gaming media.

 

I mean come on my character has got to have like five other women and all at once too

[Quarian Master Race]

Do you mean poly as in banging the whole crew in one playthrough? I heard people did that in me2 lol

That wasn't really polyamourous, though. Because most of the secks happens at the end, the most people you could bang in a single ME2 playthrough was 3 with broshep IIRC (Jack renegade bang, Liara if you had LotSB and continued from ME1, then Miranda or Tali), and the previous two would get pissed at you. Otherwise it was just you walking up to people, expressing interest, then reneging on it. You couldn't actually have a sexual relationship with multiple people that was acknowledged by all parties (which was a shame, because I really wanted one with the entire Quarian Admiralty Board).

[Biotic Apostate]

Do you mean poly as in banging the whole crew in one playthrough? I heard people did that in me2 lol

No, more like romancing 2 characters at once and those characters being ok with that. But they haven't really detailed it, just said that their scripting engine is what stops it from happening (probably the same reason why in FO4 you could romance everyone at once).

[Biotic Apostate]

Ah Polygon, you can always trust them to ask the most important questions about video games...
 
I mean new gameplay concepts, better story telling, new cinematic techniques, improved graphics, fair pricing, DLC, mods;
who cares about all this boring stuff?
 
The possibility of making romance an even bigger part of the game than it already is on the other hand,
that's what's interesting to this particular type of gaming media.

That's the link I found, but pretty much every big gaming website covered the topic (it was a panel, not an interview organized by Polygon). They are liberal leaning, but I prefer their approach to Kotaku's "sexy female mods list" and "boob physics history" and other websites' obsession with, for example, Peter Molyneux, instead of giving spotlight to new developers. But to each their own.

[Laughing_Man]

That's the link I found, but pretty much every big gaming website covered the topic (it was a panel, not an interview organized by Polygon). They are liberal leaning, but I prefer their approach to Kotaku's "sexy female mods list" and "boob physics history" and other websites' obsession with, for example, Peter Molyneux, instead of giving spotlight to new developers. But to each their own.

 

I don't blame you friend, you just linked a relevant article. I also don't care about Kotaku or their clickbait boob list in particular.

 

Polygon on the other hand is still Polygon, and they always have their priorities, they are only rarely about passion for video games themselves,

they prefer to concentrate on the political BS around them, because that's even more clickbaity than even boob lists.

(and they will get praise for how enlightened they are from various echo chambers, win win)

[Biotic Apostate]

I don't blame you friend, you just linked a relevant article. I also don't care about Kotaku or their clickbait boob list in particular.

 

Polygon on the other hand is still Polygon, and they always have their priorities, they are only rarely about passion for video games themselves,

they prefer to concentrate on the political BS around them, because that's even more clickbaity than even boob lists.

(and they will get praise for how enlightened they are from various echo chambers, win win)

Oh no, I got that. I'm just surprised with the response the site gets in general. Pretty much every gaming website works on the same model: post whatever the publishers/developers announce, and fill up the pages with fluff the rest of the time to generate enough view/ad traffic. And that content usually is not great. Still, they sometimes manage to make some good content.

They had opinion pieces on the Deus Ex DLC debacle, why Witcher 3 had better quest design than Fallout 4 (and about the lacking elements in the game in general), on game difficulty etc. They have their priorities (like every website), but saying they are almost never about video games themselves is pretty unfair.

[9TailsFox]

Ah Polygon, you can always trust them to ask the most important questions about video games...
 
I mean new gameplay concepts, better story telling, new cinematic techniques, improved graphics, fair pricing, DLC, mods;
who cares about all this boring stuff?
 
The possibility of making romance an even bigger part of the game than it already is on the other hand,
that's what's interesting to this particular type of gaming media.

I thought Polygon only about. Bayonetta not fat enough 7.5/10. Game have 51% white people, 49% black people game racist 5/10. All people in game black perfect diversity 10/10   and so on and on.

[Han Shot First]

It's like Shepard's crewmates are all whoremongers when they say that they love you one line, then when you say 'no' not now let's not have sex, the person who 'loves' you so much breaks up with Shepard because she can't have sex.... Come on BioWare I know your writing is better than this.

 

Love?

 

Who says that two characters have to be in love to have sex? I'd say in the real world that sex usually happens before people fall in love, most of the time. Why should it be any different with fictional characters in the games? It certainly isn't implied that most pairings in the Shepard trilogy are in love before they sleep together.

 

Of the previous LIs in Mass Effect games how many profess being in love before the two characters sleep together? Jacob ironically, I believe is the only one. 

[Lady Artifice]

Love?

 

Who says that two characters have to be in love to have sex? I'd say in the real world that sex usually happens before people fall in love, most of the time. Why should it be any different with fictional characters in the games? It certainly isn't implied that most pairings in the Shepard trilogy are in love before they sleep together.

 

Of the previous LIs in Mass Effect games how many profess being in love before the two characters sleep together? Jacob ironically, I believe is the only one. 

 

It's true. I know that none of the Bioware romances I've played through have involved actual declarations of love before the sex scene. 

 

A few of them implied it (even heavily, in the case of Anders), but those were all in DA. 

[Laughing_Man]

Oh no, I got that. I'm just surprised with the response the site gets in general. Pretty much every gaming website works on the same model: post whatever the publishers/developers announce, and fill up the pages with fluff the rest of the time to generate enough view/ad traffic. And that content usually is not great. Still, they sometimes manage to make some good content.

They had opinion pieces on the Deus Ex DLC debacle, why Witcher 3 had better quest design than Fallout 4 (and about the lacking elements in the game in general), on game difficulty etc. They have their priorities (like every website), but saying they are almost never about video games themselves is pretty unfair.

 

Well, I didn't really stay to smell the roses, I didn't like what I saw after the first few times I encountered Polygon, so I just ignore them most of the time.

They do have a good article every once in awhile, like the story about the (missing) story of Destiny, but aside from that?

They can shove their politics up their chimney.

[Iakus]

 

Of the previous LIs in Mass Effect games how many profess being in love before the two characters sleep together? Jacob ironically, I believe is the only one. 

Well, Ash does say 'You make me feel good enough" 

[Han Shot First]

It's true. I know that none of the Bioware romances I've played through have involved actual declarations of love before the sex scene. 

 

A few of them implied it (even heavily, in the case of Anders), but those were all in DA. 

 

I think part of the problem is that with a game the characters only have around five or so full conversations, plus some banter during or after quests or missions. Unless there are significant time skips in the story, like DA2, the characters don't really know each other that well yet and potentially have just met recently. One of the two dropping an 'I love you,' could seem a bit sudden and unearned.

 

I like how it played it with the original Mass Effect LIs in that they don't exchange an "I love you" with Shepard until the third game, after they've known each for three years and have been dating for awhile. It is easier to buy into these characters being genuinely in love with each other because their relationship evolved over the course of three games, and three years in the game universe.

[Biotic Apostate]

I thought Polygon only about. Bayonetta not fat enough 7.5/10. Game have 51% white people, 49% black people game racist 5/10. All people in game black perfect diversity 10/10   and so on and on.

GTA5 (2 paragraphs about racial profiling and bad treatment of women) - 9.5/10, Phantom Pain (comments about Quiet's outfit) - 9/10. Deus Ex (racial stereotypes) - 9/10, Undertale (progressive game) - no review, almost no coverage. They do comment on it, but it rarely influences the score.

[Master Warder Z_]

Undertale 

 

Undertale sucks.

[Han Shot First]

GTA5 (2 paragraphs about racial profiling and bad treatment of women) - 9.5/10, Phantom Pain (comments about Quiet's outfit) - 9/10. Deus Ex (racial stereotypes) - 9/10, Undertale (progressive game) - no review, almost no coverage. They do comment on it, but it rarely influences the score.

 

What were the racial stereotypes in Deus Ex?

[9TailsFox]

What were the racial stereotypes in Deus Ex?

If you relay want you find it even if it's not her, you will find it.

[Biotic Apostate]

What were the racial stereotypes in Deus Ex?

http://kotaku.com/58...uman-revolution

That's what I remember. Plus the over the top "Engrish" of some Asian characters.

 

Undertale sucks.

Wasn't really saying either way, but thanks for the opinion.

[Battlebloodmage]

If you relay want you find it even if it's not her, you will find it.

Sometimes people really want to find things to be offended about. Kl-e-0 from Fallout 4 was being accused of being transphobic, which I don't even think was meant to be a trans character in the first place. True that there are certain portrayal that need to be examined but falsely accuse everything of being one would just diminish the actual issue and make people empathize with it less and may even divert the attention from actual issues. 

[Master Warder Z_]

What were the racial stereotypes in Deus Ex?

 

Trash lady probably.

 

That said people blow that out of proportion, I have actually met folks who indeed do talk like that...usually as a result of a stroke or throat cancer, but never the less the fact some people get offended by is stupid, its a trope that comes not from actual behavior but PORTRAYAL of behavior in cinema from many decades ago, aka there is no basis in reality for it to anchor to, aka people are offended by nothing that actually existed, aka its stupid.

[9TailsFox]

GTA5 (2 paragraphs about racial profiling and bad treatment of women) - 9.5/10, Phantom Pain (comments about Quiet's outfit) - 9/10. Deus Ex (racial stereotypes) - 9/10, Undertale (progressive game) - no review, almost no coverage. They do comment on it, but it rarely influences the score.

I think you understand this was a joke. I don't care about Polygon half of review is how I didn't like character design and female character can be killed yes very good information, no sh.. Sherlock 99% games is kill stuff, and how character is dressed why it's important, who cares it's not like game some RPG like ME with armour selection in ME would be important like game have low selection of armour and all look the same or opposite it's great and good variation.

[Master Warder Z_]

and may even divert the attention from actual issues. 

 

I wouldn't mind so long as the attention goes somewhere positive, can we please cure Cancer, Aids, HIV, a myriad of other issues that kill tens of thousands a year? 

 

Maybe find a cure for Ebola, rediverting attention from a social issue to one that actually requires attention, government funding, etc wouldn't be a horror show to me. Hell where is the curing of genetic illness and birth defects? We are nearing twenty years from the completion of the human genome project, where are the research divisions devoted to curing crippling to life threatening inheritable diseases?

 

._. That said i am practical, I'd rather focus on issues that can end/devalue quality of life then some social 'intolerance' thing. We can all move towards a more tolerant world when I don't have to sweat throat cancer because I smoke cigars thank you.

 

...That comes off a bit brusque but I'd say the point is valid.

 

Where is the concern about actually improving the quality of human life? Hell if we are talking about social issues what about actually making minimum wage (for those who live in the western world) actually something you can live on? That sounds like it would be a start. I think people often overlook these crucial issues in favor of a cause of the month that is eventually forgotten, that isn't to say there isn't a problem in social consideration for certain groups, but I'd say we can address issues of tolerance in society when society is actually worthy of the title. I'd say improving the foundation of the first world would dramatically impact its other facets, improve education, make wages actually survivable on, punish businesses that ship work (that is in compliance with standards on hazard and health) overseas.

 

There are many issues of the 'day' and the sad is, many of them are issues of the prior decade and back.

 

o.o

 

Huh, I sound like I'm running for office, well I did have that bid for senator back in 11...

[9TailsFox]

Sometimes people really want to find things to be offended about. Kl-e-0 from Fallout 4 was being accused of being transphobic, which I don't even think was meant to be a trans character in the first place. True that there are certain portrayal that need to be examined but falsely accuse everything of being one would just diminish the actual issue and make people empathize with it less and may even divert the attention from actual issues. 

And what if Kl-e-0 is transphobic? What we can't have people like Rendon Howe from DA who is racist just add any label it most likely will fit. This my point polygon just bunch of morons apparently we can't have villains in games well unless it's white man than I guess it's fine.

[Biotic Apostate]

I think you understand this was a joke. I don't care about Polygon half of review is how I didn't like character design and female character can be killed yes very good information, no sh.. Sherlock 99% games is kill stuff, and how character is dressed why it's important, who cares it's not like game some RPG like ME with armour selection in ME would be important like game have low selection of armour and all look the same or opposite it's great and good variation.

Poe's Law and all that. I've seen people make that accusation seriously, so it's hard to tell. Also, the "female character can be killed" thing is from Sarkeesian, not Polygon. Either way, this is off topic. Not that this topic was going anywhere productive, but still. We really need some Andromeda info already.

[Battlebloodmage]

And what if Kl-e-0 is transphobic? What we can't have people like Rendon Howe from DA who is racist just add any label it most likely will fit. This my point polygon just bunch of morons apparently we can't have villains in games well unless it's white man than I guess it's fine.

One thing is if Kl-e-0 is happened to be bad, that's one thing, Solas wasn't made a gay option due to fear of being a negative representation but nothing about him being bad is wrong, but making a character like Dethmold and castration and things like that is just unnecessary. I am perfectly ok with gay villains, but just as with gay hero, but just as straight characters shouldn't be about them being straight, there's no reason why them being gay should be treated as different.