And what if Kl-e-0 is transphobic? What we can't have people like Rendon Howe from DA who is racist just add any label it most likely will fit. This my point polygon just bunch of morons apparently we can't have villains in games well unless it's white man than I guess it's fine.
No...They aren't claiming the character of K-L-E-O is transphobic, they're claiming that the depiction of K-L-E-O is designed to emulate a transexual.
No...They aren't claiming the character of K-L-E-O is transphobic, they're claiming that the depiction of K-L-E-O is designed to emulate a transexual.
That's even more stupid.
That's even more stupid.
Okay.
I wouldn't mind so long as the attention goes somewhere positive, can we please cure Cancer, Aids, HIV, a myriad of other issues that kill tens of thousands a year?
Maybe find a cure for Ebola, rediverting attention from a social issue to one that actually requires attention, government funding, etc wouldn't be a horror show to me. Hell where is the curing of genetic illness and birth defects? We are nearing twenty years from the completion of the human genome project, where are the research divisions devoted to curing crippling to life threatening inheritable diseases?
._. That said i am practical, I'd rather focus on issues that can end/devalue quality of life then some social 'intolerance' thing. We can all move towards a more tolerant world when I don't have to sweat throat cancer because I smoke cigars thank you.
...That comes off a bit brusque but I'd say the point is valid.
Where is the concern about actually improving the quality of human life? Hell if we are talking about social issues what about actually making minimum wage (for those who live in the western world) actually something you can live on? That sounds like it would be a start. I think people often overlook these crucial issues in favor of a cause of the month that is eventually forgotten, that isn't to say there isn't a problem in social consideration for certain groups, but I'd say we can address issues of tolerance in society when society is actually worthy of the title. I'd say improving the foundation of the first world would dramatically impact its other facets, improve education, make wages actually survivable on, punish businesses that ship work (that is in compliance with standards on hazard and health) overseas.
There are many issues of the 'day' and the sad is, many of them are issues of the prior decade and back.
o.o
Huh, I sound like I'm running for office, well I did have that bid for senator back in 11...
All of these issues being discussed in this thread are first world problems, but we're on a video games forum talking about video games, all of the issues are first world problems in the first place. I don't pretend to care about all the bad things that happen because most of the people in America don't give a crap about many of these issues unless there's a media campaign going on somewhere and pretending to change their Facebook avatar to a different color or do some silly videos would change anything but self serving satisfaction. We're all concerned about things that affect us at the end of the day, I don't feel ashamed about that. Hell is paved with good intentions, people can talk about how terrible it is all the time, but at the end of the day, no one of us would really go out of their ways like donating most of our income to save the world. This is akin to talking about kids in Africa, shaming people about stuffs they bring up just because there are worst things that could have happened to you. Just because there are worst things in the world don't mean we can't care about stuffs that happening to us or affecting us now, especially things that could be changed easily rather than saving the world through a video game forum.
http://kotaku.com/58...uman-revolution
That's what I remember. Plus the over the top "Engrish" of some Asian characters.
Wasn't really saying either way, but thanks for the opinion.
Weird. I don't remember that character at all. After watching that clip and seeing how bad it was, maybe I mentally blocked it out.
Never mind the racial stereotypes, that was some **** acting.
but at the end of the day, no one of us would really go out of their ways like donating most of our income to save the world.
I have over a dozen causes of which I have donated a considerable amount of money, from the PLO, to the United Veterans Foundation, to The National Human Genome Research Institute. They differ in scope, scale, politics, goal but overall each and everyone of them has a message, a cause that has convinced me over the years to donate money to them. Good tax writes off in some cases as well, except the PLO which doesn't qualify as a recognized american charity according to the IRS, its funny because giving money to Israel is...never minding that vaguely racist double standard I'll say this.
You can gripe about how this a video game forum, but when real issues are actually presented I am going to point out that there are more pressing issues out there that require your attention, such as giving humans a world free of genetic illness, or Palestine being a recognized state or etc.
Weird. I don't remember that character at all. After watching that clip and seeing how bad it was, maybe I mentally blocked it out.
Never mind the racial stereotypes, that was some **** acting.
"Shiiiiiaaaa cap'n" please stop
I think that she was an optional informant, so you could have missed her.
I have over a dozen causes of which I have donated a considerable amount of money, from the PLO, to the United Veterans Foundation, to The National Human Genome Research Institute. They differ in scope, scale, politics, goal but overall each and everyone of them has a message, a cause that has convinced me over the years to donate money to them. Good tax writes off in some cases as well, except the PLO which doesn't qualify as a recognized american charity according to the IRS, its funny because giving money to Israel is...never minding that vaguely racist double standard I'll say this.
You can gripe about how this a video game forum, but when real issues are actually presented I am going to point out that there are more pressing issues out there that require your attention, such as giving humans a world free of genetic illness, or Palestine being a recognized state or etc.
Good for you. I'll keep that in mind the next time I go on a game forum. There's a thing and place for everything, and I'm not sure how talking about these things have anything related to how developers could learn about the fans and what they want. Probably should be on a politic forum if you want to discuss that. Everyone knows there are more pressing issues but most people are not on here to talk about that. You don't go to Burger King and order a KFC.
One thing is if Kl-e-0 is happened to be bad, that's one thing, Solas wasn't made a gay option due to fear of being a negative representation but nothing about him being bad is wrong, but making a character like Dethmold and castration and things like that is just unnecessary. I am perfectly ok with gay villains, but just as with gay hero, but just as straight characters shouldn't be about them being straight, there's no reason why them being gay should be treated as different.
So you honestly tell me if Deathmold was killed like this it wouldn't be the same. And Vernon Roche(he is not good he is *******) it was personal Dethmold responsible for the execution of the entire Blue Stripes. So honestly what Vernon Roche did is in character and I think he should done worse.
I'll keep that in mind the next time I go on a game forum.
Good, and I'll keep pointing out that we still have a lack of Palestinian representation in video games.
So you honestly tell me if Deathmold was killed like this it wouldn't be the same. And Vernon Roche(he is not good he is *******) it was personal Dethmold responsible for the execution of the entire Blue Stripes. So honestly what Vernon Roche in character and I think he should done worse.
Sure, give him a worse death, I don't give a crap, kill him because he's a bad guy related to his sexuality. Probably cutting off his fingers and break his bones, go ahead. How horrible he can die is not really the issue in the first place.
Good, and I'll keep pointing out that we still have a lack of Palestinian representation in video games.
Good for you. I'm too busy talking about how terrible kids in Africa have it to find it important.
I have over a dozen causes of which I have donated a considerable amount of money, from the PLO, to the United Veterans Foundation, to The National Human Genome Research Institute. They differ in scope, scale, politics, goal but overall each and everyone of them has a message, a cause that has convinced me over the years to donate money to them. Good tax writes off in some cases as well, except the PLO which doesn't qualify as a recognized american charity according to the IRS, its funny because giving money to Israel is...never minding that vaguely racist double standard I'll say this.
You can gripe about how this a video game forum, but when real issues are actually presented I am going to point out that there are more pressing issues out there that require your attention, such as giving humans a world free of genetic illness, or Palestine being a recognized state or etc.
Of all the places someone could have mentioned Palestine, this is the most random. Well done.
People can care about a lot of issues. And throwing money at scientists is a good idea, but it's not like we're going to cure something like cancer anytime soon, especially since it's mutating, and there is no simple cure.
A lack of representation of sexual (and racial) minorities in media is an issue - it causes minority stress (something that has been extensively researched). Not having any positive media representation causes depression, in some cases more suicides. LGBT youth is a disproportionally large group among the homeless, so it's important to try to influence people like their parents. And so on. Just because you don't think an issue is as important as cancer, doesn't mean it shouldn't be tackled.
You can gripe about how this a video game forum, but when real issues are actually presented I am going to point out that there are more pressing issues out there that require your attention, such as giving humans a world free of genetic illness, or Palestine being a recognized state or etc.
Fallacy of relative privation: ("not as bad as") - dismissing an argument due to the existence of of more important, but unrelated, problems in the world.
Theoretically, we will always be able to find an example of something worse than any problem currently being discussed. That possibility, however, does not make the current issue go away. If a person burns their hand, knowing that they still have it better than a person whose hand has been cut off doesn't necessarily render the burn inconsequential to them.
So you honestly tell me if Deathmold was killed like this it wouldn't be the same. And Vernon Roche(he is not good he is *******) it was personal Dethmold responsible for the execution of the entire Blue Stripes. So honestly what Vernon Roche did is in character and I think he should done worse.
Dethmold was killed for his crimes, but the way it was done was crappy. He was presented as a devious gay man who had a sex slave, his polish voice was "the most despicable they could find" which apparently was a gay lisp, and his execution involved cutting off his junk and feeding it to him, to show how unmanly he was. The point here is not that there can be no gay villains, or that they should never die, but that making the only gay man in the presented universe (at that time) a pervert, mocking him and giving him an execution that's weirdly making fun of his sexuality is just insulting.
That's the link I found, but pretty much every big gaming website covered the topic (it was a panel, not an interview organized by Polygon). They are liberal leaning, but I prefer their approach to Kotaku's "sexy female mods list" and "boob physics history" and other websites' obsession with, for example, Peter Molyneux, instead of giving spotlight to new developers. But to each their own.
Calling Polygon "liberal" is coming dangerously close to horseshoe-theory territory. They're so far gone to the left that they aren't even liberal anymore. Same goes for Kotaku, Gamasutra, Rock Paper Shotgun, and the like. All of those sites that decided "hey, you guys know what we should do? Alienate our core audience as hard as we can and insult them".
Kl-e-0 from Fallout 4 was being accused of being transphobic
Was it as bad as the backlash that Capcom and Valve got for having black zombies in Resident Evil 5 and Left 4 Dead 2, and how it was super racist to be killing a ton of minority people?
Even though RE5 takes place in Africa, where black people are most decidedly not a minority (these people also conveniently ignored the enemies in that game that are distinctly Middle Eastern-looking) and L4D2 takes place around New Orleans, which has a huge black population.
Typo. That's my entire argument, resource limitation.
Didn't stop TIM.
Calling Polygon "liberal" is coming dangerously close to horseshoe-theory territory. They're so far gone to the left that they aren't even liberal anymore. Same goes for Kotaku, Gamasutra, Rock Paper Shotgun, and the like. All of those sites that decided "hey, you guys know what we should do? Alienate our core audience as hard as we can and insult them".
They are campaigning for very liberal ideas, whether they are going too far is a personal opinion. And I think it is the right of any publication to decide who their core audience are for themselves. And the part of the audience that feels they have been insulted is free to react accordingly and take their ad or view traffic somewhere else. (also, Kotaku is far left? I've been gone from there for a looong time, it seems)
Well, Ash does say 'You make me feel good enough"
In response to:
Han Shot First, on 04 Feb 2016 - 2:33 PM, said:
Of the previous LIs in Mass Effect games how many profess being in love before the two characters sleep together? Jacob ironically, I believe is the only one.
On Horizon (ME-2), Ashley (as a L.I.) tells MaleShep: "We had something...something real. I loved you."
Based on this, I'll believe that she told him she loved her hero-man in ME-1, at their relationship's zenith right before Ilos. It's not canon, of course, but her comment comes closest to having expressed her love in ME-1, compared to any other character. Did Tali say anything about loving Shepard in ME-3? I can't remember.
Let's get back on topic, please. Take your politics elsewhere and respect others interested in this thread.
A lack of representation of sexual (and racial) minorities in media is an issue - it causes minority stress (something that has been extensively researched). Not having any positive media representation causes depression, in some cases more suicides. LGBT youth is a disproportionally large group among the homeless, so it's important to try to influence people like their parents. And so on. Just because you don't think an issue is as important as cancer, doesn't mean it shouldn't be tackled.
What it shows is that these overgrown manchildren have deep rooted emotional issues if they require a virtual self-insert in silly video games or whatever other bit of fluff media to feel better about themselves. Getting "depression" over a lack of "representation? Seriously? That's beyond pathetic.
Saying that it's "not as important" as cancer is an understatement, it's a complete non-issue and should rightfully be mocked.
Calling Polygon "liberal" is coming dangerously close to horseshoe-theory territory. They're so far gone to the left that they aren't even liberal anymore. Same goes for Kotaku, Gamasutra, Rock Paper Shotgun, and the like. All of those sites that decided "hey, you guys know what we should do? Alienate our core audience as hard as we can and insult them".
Polygon's a two bit leftist rag that isn't worth a single click, just like at how you can get a more objective review of a game from a christian gaming site than it.
Trying to tackle every issue in humanity in a game is irrealistic and pointless. If a game's story serves itself to represent a real life problematic in a fitting way then great. You cannot expect the developers change the game because you feel your personal or someon else's problem does not have enough representation. It's just not how entertaining media works, Mass Effect is fundamentally a sci-fi rpg-tps story and character driven game that happens to have some inclusion as per usual with the late Bioware games, it's still not meant to be social critique, trying to argue that the game needs more of that or criticizing that it has one particular represtentation but not another it's rather silly.
What it shows is that these overgrown manchildren have deep rooted emotional issues if they require a virtual self-insert in silly video games or whatever other bit of fluff media to feel better about themselves. Getting "depression" over a lack of "representation? Seriously? That's beyond pathetic.
Saying that it's "not as important" as cancer is an understatement, it's a complete non-issue and should rightfully be mocked.
It is not the only reason for minority stress, but one of many. But you're right. All of those psychologists and minorities are deluded. How could I have been so blind!? What piece of rare insight are you going to gift us next?
What it shows is that these overgrown manchildren have deep rooted emotional issues if they require a virtual self-insert in silly video games or whatever other bit of fluff media to feel better about themselves. Getting "depression" over a lack of "representation? Seriously? That's beyond pathetic.
Saying that it's "not as important" as cancer is an understatement, it's a complete non-issue and should rightfully be mocked.
I guess cancer patients should be mocked because their bodies were weak enough to not be able to fight the illness by your logic? I thought we were past "men don't cry" age and "just get over it" when treating any psychological problems, do you think some people just choose to get depressed and get to the point of ending their lives? Or they simply deserve so because they were mentally weak?
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