...when galaxies collide it's catastrophic. Do you think two galaxies just smoothly combine into one large galaxy and everyone has a party? Everything would die, including the Reapers.
To answer a Question on... Well if the Andromeda Threats could beat the Reapers what chance do the expedition have!"
Stargate Atlantis pretty much had this scenario play out with the Wraith
The Wraith basically caused the Ancients -super advanced precusor humans who make stars explode as a pass time- retreat from The Pegasus Galaxy by Sheer attrition due to the nature of the Wraith. -Imagine A race with the Krogan's ability to multiply and overall resilience, mixed with powerful bio engineering and the single minded obsessiveness of elmer fudd-
The Ancients won the majority of battles in the war cause technoligcally they outclassed the Wraith 10 to 1... but still were forced to abandon the Galaxy due to sheer overwhelming numbers
The Wraith on the other hand had to actually cull thier numbers and go into long bouts of hibernation so they didn't destroy their food source and this long hibernation is one of the reasons the Atlantis team stands a chance... that and using trickery and underhanded deals to keep themselves alive since, they just don't have the numbers to combat the Wraith.
But thats if you used a straight up Reapers as a measuring stick...
Maybe you could have an isolated Reaper -got gobbled up by a space anus and shot to the Andromeda Galaxy- that has to ensure its survival cause it has become self aware and independent its developed this massive Cult/entire nation around itself. IE re-embrace the Cthulu roots. It can't conquer andromeda by itself and it knows help isn't coming so... like the geth its got a corner its dug into.
Frankly I'd almost prefer if Andromeda is like GC or MoO with several already developed Races positioning for power and the Expedition showing up in the "Frontier" part of Andromeda that causes them all to Freak the **** out. We're the Reapers!
There is a Crossover
ME x GC or MoO
Stargate Atlantis pretty much had this scenario play out with the Wraith
The Wraith basically caused the Ancients -super advanced precusor humans who make stars explode as a pass time- retreat from The Pegasus Galaxy by Sheer attrition due to the nature of the Wraith. -Imagine A race with the Krogan's ability to multiply and overall resilience, mixed with powerful bio engineering and the single minded obsessiveness of elmer fudd-
The Ancients won the majority of battles in the war cause technoligcally they outclassed the Wraith 10 to 1... but still were forced to abandon the Galaxy due to sheer overwhelming numbers
The Wraith on the other hand had to actually cull thier numbers and go into long bouts of hibernation so they didn't destroy their food source and this long hibernation is one of the reasons the Atlantis team stands a chance... that and using trickery and underhanded deals to keep themselves alive since, they just don't have the numbers to combat the Wraith.
I also seem to recall that Earth was not actually trying to colonize the Pegasus Galaxy, and was able to hide their base of operations from the Wraith. They stayed hidden, put down no permanent roots save in Atlantis itself, and hoped like hell the Wraith never learned where they slept.
I also seem to recall that Earth was not actually trying to colonize the Pegasus Galaxy, and was able to hide their base of operations from the Wraith. They stayed hidden, put down no permanent roots save in Atlantis itself, and hoped like hell the Wraith never learned where they slept.
Which only worked for so long...
and then things...kinda got morally muddled... Retro viruses, starting a civil war that would let the Wraith feed on each other... sorta accidentally getting another race involved. It was complicated
but the point is... You can have the protagonists in a position of weakness but its not hopeless they just gotta work for it.
unlike say... Its hopeless and our only chance is some we think its important weapon lets build the entire plan around it.
ok so I was thinking and I just figured out a good reason for why Andromeda would be Reaped. Its possible that the Reapers know Andromeda will eventually collide with the Milky Way so they tried to enter it into a cycle phrase or have succeded already. But since we won the war there are no longer Reaper activity and the races there were able to stop them or stumbled upon dead Reapers because we obviously won against them. Its more likely they failed to bring Andromeda out of "Chaos" what they believe to be chaos. The two galaxies being predicted to collide is reason enough for them to bring order to Andromeda, they don't really have any reason to bring order to other galaxies unless a predicted event like that is to occur. Of course that reason could be used for why we are going to Andromeda but its more likely the Ark Theory will be true or a form of it so the endings can be avoided. Endings being avoided is why the Reapers would've failed to take control of Andromeda.
And the collision of Andromeda and the Milky Way is so far off in the future it's in the "why should I even care" category.... even for a cybernetic organism.
From my limited understanding of the subject it's only cataclysmic in the sense that the collision tends to fling out the two galaxies' gas clouds so there is less raw material for new star formation. The existing stars and planets can come through the process relatively unscathed because galaxies are actually quite diffuse. Here's a quote from Neil deGrasse Tyson on the subject:My understanding is that two galaxies colliding is a cataclysmic event that creates a dead zone. I think they're called eliptical galaxies (I'm no astronomer). But are essentially a jumbled up mess without any consistent shape and lacking in resources.
The Reapers might survive in dark space but say goodbye to their experiment.
From my limited understanding of the subject it's only cataclysmic in the sense that the collision tends to fling out the two galaxies' gas clouds so there is less raw material for new star formation. The existing stars and planets can come through the process relatively unscathed because galaxies are actually quite diffuse. Here's a quote from Neil deGrasse Tyson on the subject:
“Using nothing more than Newton’s laws of gravitation, we astronomers can confidently predict that several billion years from now, our home galaxy, the Milky Way, will merge with our neighboring galaxy, Andromeda,” host Neil DeGrasse Tyson says. “Because the distances between the stars are so great compared to their sizes, few if any stars in either galaxy will actually collide. Any life on the worlds of that far-off future should be safe, but they will be treated to an amazing, billion-year long light show.”
(Emphasis mine).
The gas and dust clouds can also face a different fate. While stars and planets are dilluted across the galaxy enough so two colliding would be extremely rare if happen at all, gas and dust clouds are not so lucky. Since they are much bigger those will collide with each other, causing them to ignite due to the heat and pressure. For the life alive in the galaxies, the sky will literally look like its on fire. Eventually it will burn out, meaning the gas and dust involved won't be available for star formation.
The gas and dust clouds can also face a different fate. While stars and planets are dilluted across the galaxy enough so two colliding would be extremely rare if happen at all, gas and dust clouds are not so lucky. Since they are much bigger those will collide with each other, causing them to ignite due to the heat and pressure. For the life alive in the galaxies, the sky will literally look like its on fire. Eventually it will burn out, meaning the gas and dust involved won't be available for star formation.
so the two galaxie will probably start to die afterwards because lack of resources?
so the two galaxie will probably start to die afterwards because lack of resources?
I'm not sure what you mean by die. Milkomeda will just go on and merge with the remnant galaxies left in the local cluster. It's just a different kind of evolution, not that it's very relevant to us. We will be long gone before it ever happen (and by that, I mean we will have destroyed ourselves either by way of war, or having depleted our planet of all ressources relevant to our species, or more likely both).
By the way, the MW is already in the process of merging with two dwarf galaxies. It just shows it's not impacting our lives all that much, except for the intellectual tickle.
https://en.wikipedia...y_Way_collision
And the collision of Andromeda and the Milky Way is so far off in the future it's in the "why should I even care" category.... even for a cybernetic organism.
If I was alive when that happens, I would be playing the Arrival dlc riding the asteroid into the relay. See if I can time it just right to have both hit at the same time. hahaha
I'm not sure what you mean by die. Milkomeda will just go on and merge with the remnant galaxies left in the local cluster. It's just a different kind of evolution, not that it's very relevant to us. We will be long gone before it ever happen (and by that, I mean we will have destroyed ourselves either by way of war, or having depleted our planet of all ressources relevant to our species, or more likely both).
By the way, the MW is already in the process of merging with two dwarf galaxies. It just shows it's not impacting our lives all that much, except for the intellectual tickle.
Well my reason didn't pan out because of the time between Andromeda galaxy collision actually happening. But still the knowledge of such collisions occurring I would imagine to be the prime reason for Reapers to go over to another galaxy so its Chaos doesn't disrupt THE CYCLE!!!!
Ever since Andromeda was announced I did fancy the idea that the Reapers went to other galaxies or maybe a show they had tried to take control of other galaxies. Since we don't want Reapers again I thought well why not Reaper Carcass for Andromeda and thats why we are mainly seen as a threat. The last intergalactic visitors tried to take over.
Well my reason didn't pan out because of the time between Andromeda galaxy collision actually happening. But still the knowledge of such collisions occurring I would imagine to be the prime reason for Reapers to go over to another galaxy so its Chaos doesn't disrupt THE CYCLE!!!!
Ever since Andromeda was announced I did fancy the idea that the Reapers went to other galaxies or maybe a show they had tried to take control of other galaxies. Since we don't want Reapers again I thought well why not Reaper Carcass for Andromeda and thats why we are mainly seen as a threat. The last intergalactic visitors tried to take over.
There's no point in going in another galaxy that won't reach ours before 4 billions years for this. That's at least 8000 cycles away. 8000! It's like if I said, as an European, that I'm afraid of the mess some random guy in America might eventually bring when all the continents will have floated all the way back together...
I think we will be simply seen as refugees. Some will try and welcome us, some will resent us for taking the ressources they themselves covet, and some will take advantage of us. Good samaritans, nationalists and slavers/organised criminals, oh, and a vast majority more or less indifferent as long as they aren't directly touched. Really, nothing different than what's happening here on Earth each time entire populations have to leave their lands to survive. No need for Reapers to find ourselves in such situation.
I can't totally dismiss the possibility of your scenario happening in MEA, but as I see it, it would raise more problems than it's worth. To beat our cycle, Reapers needed to engage all of their units. Andromeda is bigger and has more stars than the MW, and the Reapers have no control over how Andromedan civilisations and techs evolved. Therefore, they would need even more units than what they currently have available if they hoped to take control of it with an acceptable number of losses on their parts (the more Reapers they lose, the more harvested civilisations are wiped out, which is in complete contradiction with their mandate). So if they were beaten so badly in Andromeda, shouldn't it have affected their current numbers in our cycle (any Andromeda invasion couldn't have happened in the first couple of cycles, they just weren't enough and Andromeda was even further away)? Shouldn't it have prompted the search for a new solution earlier? Why didn't the triumphing Andromeda species invade the MW, following the Reapers? As I said, I can't dismiss your scenario entirely. It could happen, but it raises a lot of new problems. If they are going for a reboot, I'd rather, and that is a personal preference, that they start with as clean a slate as possible.
As I said in this thread https://forum.biowar...why/?p=20376804 it looks like the Tempest works not on mass effect technology alone, but by creating a wormhole - tech the reapers do not have.
This is important, because the Reapers don't really create their own tech. Mass Effect technology was created by the leviathans, so was indoctrination. The reapers tend to instead corrupt and utilise tech that organics create. It would seem that they lack neither the creativity nor the desire to create new technology. They are, after all, machines created with a purpose, and that purpose was not to leave the galaxy.
Yeah I strongly doubt reapers will show up in Andromeda... they're going for something new with the series. Also, by the time we get there, Shep is supposed to have taken care of the reapers ages ago.
Yeah I strongly doubt reapers will show up in Andromeda... they're going for something new with the series. Also, by the time we get there, Shep is supposed to have taken care of the reapers ages ago.
Yeah I strongly doubt reapers will show up in Andromeda... they're going for something new with the series.
Even though they won't be there, I like to have a Harbinger reaper replica in my cabin
Also, by the time we get there, Shep is supposed to have taken care of the reapers ages ago.
Not unless Shepard refused
I always assumed that the Reapers aren't in any other galaxy because they're hard-wired to work in the Milky Way galaxy alone. I mean, everything else in ME3 was idiotic and stupid, so why not have a stupid reason why they're restricted to one galaxy only?
I always assumed that the Reapers aren't in any other galaxy because they're hard-wired to work in the Milky Way galaxy alone. I mean, everything else in ME3 was idiotic and stupid, so why not have a stupid reason why they're restricted to one galaxy only?
It could just be that there's no point in spreading themselves across multiple galaxies if they haven't even figured out how to "fix" the one they started off in.
If I was making the game, I'd conveniently ignore this.
If I was making the game, I'd conveniently ignore this.
And spend half of the game's production budget for the team that would develop realistic hair physics.
And spend half of the game's production budget for the team that would develop realistic hair physics.
Your hair must look like crap irl.
Your hair must look like crap irl.
All the more reason to live vicariously through my PC with his/her glorious hair physics.
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