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[rocklikeafool]

The Reapers are either destroyed forever, integrated into the MW society, or under the tight command of Shepard. No further consideration of said beings is needed. 

[KamuiStorm]

In even a billion years (I don't recall any reference that determines that they were around for multi-billion), the reapers may not have been around long enough, or have the numbers to build the mass relay network in multiple galaxies. The Andromeda galaxy would have only been in the low single digit age beyond that, so may not even have anything of interest to make the endeavor worth it.

The reapers committed 680 harvesting cycles since being created, assimilating all known technological advances to bolster their already immensely impressive technology. Each cycle begins every 50k so they've been around for a long time and as said have assimilated vast amounts of technology with which to use obviously to further increase their effectiveness. Meaning they would have plenty of time to acquire the means to do so the likely hood they explored the andromeda galaxy is very high. Also the andromeda galaxy is 9.006 billion years old, the milk way is only 13.21 billion years so they're not far behind the milky way.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Uhm, no. Leviathan do not have the means to get off-world. They need to rebuild first. Good luck with that, I say.

 

 

And the Reapers are going to be stopped, one way or another. No guarantee they hear about the Ark operation, either.

[Kroitz]

Andromeda was purified of every ounce of organic material and is governed by a stagnant A.I that lies dormant since billions of years or the cycle is still in progress there.

 

Or Andromedanians couldn't be bothered to move past the age of reality TV. Eh.

[LostScout61]

I'm going with the Reapers and the Catalyst were hard-coded by their respective programmers to restrict their activities to the Milky Way and "nearby" dark space.  It was kind of a design oversight.  Just like early human programmers didn't think to allow dates past the year 1999.  They are no more able to change this core programming than the Catalyst is able to choose or prevent Shepard's choice of Destroy, Control, or that funny green ending.

[Ipukeonyourshoes]

So apparently organic life rises and always makes the same mistake of making synthetics. Assuming there are no reapers or reaper-like things in Andromeda, synthetics probably are there and are a huge threat. Perhaps things got so bad, that so called "ancient race" doesn't exist anymore? Maybe this game is built on showing you the consequences of not having a cycle every 50,000 years or perhaps just like the fact that its inevitable for organics to make synthetics, the organics in Andromeda created their own type of reaper-like harvester based on the theory that history repeats itself in the Mass Effect game Universe. 

[AresKeith]

If it was a truly standalone game, it wouldn't have "Mass Effect" in its title.

....what?

[ZipZap2000]

....what?

I've given up reading those posts, they don't make sense and I cant tell if its trolling or not anymore. Broken logic everywhere.

[Killroy]

Except the Reapers (and, quite likely, the Leviathans) are master of mass effect technology.  The very tech that's the basis of the advanced tech of all the other races.  Whatever we had, they had, and had better versions of.

 

We have no idea if the Reapers are "masters" of mass effect technology and we can logically assume that the Leviathans weren't either since they're virtually immobile and enthrall other races to do their bidding. The Reapers were built on the backs of the Leviathans and the Leviathans were not omniscient. And not all advanced tech is based on mass effect technology, nor is mass effect technology a single thing. You cannot make an intelligent argument that whatever we can do they can do better because it presupposes omniscience, which is something the Reapers and Leviathans clearly never had.

[Mistic]

I'm going with the Reapers and the Catalyst were hard-coded by their respective programmers to restrict their activities to the Milky Way and "nearby" dark space.  It was kind of a design oversight.  Just like early human programmers didn't think to allow dates past the year 1999.  They are no more able to change this core programming than the Catalyst is able to choose or prevent Shepard's choice of Destroy, Control, or that funny green ending.

 

Given the Starchild's troll logic, that kind of self-obstacle seems the best way to justify their lack of presence in Andromeda. It's not that they don't have the means (they do), it's just that they aren't programmed to care about it.

 

The Leviathans are another issue, but their civilization appeared a long time ago, and we only have their word about what it was like. For all we know, they never got the chance to expand beyond the MW before they were wiped out. Power and technology aren't everything. It would be like saying it's unrealistic that the Romans never colonized the Americas but that smaller countries did a thousand years later. Not to mention real life examples of advanced civilizations that chose isolation and stability instead of imperialistic adventures.

[ZipZap2000]

So apparently organic life rises and always makes the same mistake of making synthetics. Assuming there are no reapers or reaper-like things in Andromeda, synthetics probably are there and are a huge threat. Perhaps things got so bad, that so called "ancient race" doesn't exist anymore? Maybe this game is built on showing you the consequences of not having a cycle every 50,000 years or perhaps just like the fact that its inevitable for organics to make synthetics, the organics in Andromeda created their own type of reaper-like harvester based on the theory that history repeats itself in the Mass Effect game Universe.

They've got 1 trillion stars to explore in Andromeda. I really hope we aren't going to get a game that essentially exists just to justify the ME3 endings.

[Swan Killer]

The Reapers were created to make sure the Milky Way Galaxy is cleansed every 50k years or so, not to take care of the whole universe. They had no business anywhere else, why would they waste resources and time to bother themselves about what's going on at the neighbors'? The Leviathans were fine in hiding from the Reapers, they had millions of years of opportunity to rebuild during between the cycles, but they didn't give a ****, they were cool chilling in the pool.

[Midnight Bliss]

No more Leviathan and Reaper storyline, please.

 

I like them but the series is ready for for some new, non godlike entity antagonists.

[TheBunz]

What if there is something that is stronger than the Reapers there in Andromeda?

Like a good synthetic race that protects Andromeda from outside invaders?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What if there is something that is stronger than the Reapers there in Andromeda?

Like a good synthetic race that protects Andromeda from outside invaders?

Considering we only have that one ship or a small fleet at best, that'll be a short game since we'd stand absolutely no chance if they deemed us a threat.

[Vegeta 77]

So even if they knew about the ark after the endings they are no longer a threat or they might not know about the ship.

 

And how do you know the leviathans are the most advanced have we been to every galexy and seen every race no.

 

And this might sound crazy but maybe do somthing new instaed of it being about reapers again the game is not reaper effect.

[Puddi III]

Considering we only have that one ship or a small fleet at best, that'll be a short game since we'd stand absolutely no chance if they deemed us a threat.

 

I guess they figured out how to handle refugees better than the current cycle.

[Iakus]

We have no idea if the Reapers are "masters" of mass effect technology and we can logically assume that the Leviathans weren't either since they're virtually immobile and enthrall other races to do their bidding. The Reapers were built on the backs of the Leviathans and the Leviathans were not omniscient. And not all advanced tech is based on mass effect technology, nor is mass effect technology a single thing.

If the Leviathans were immobile, they'd have been harvested long ago.  They don't move around much because they don't want to risk detection by the Reapers.

 

The Reapers, stupidly written aside, are far, far more advanced than the current cycle.  They never let the younger races get anywhere near being a threat to them (Their power sources "seem to break known physical laws").  So whether you consider the masters of mass effect technology or not, they are a heck of  a lot further down that path than humanity is.

 

 

You cannot make an intelligent argument that whatever we can do they can do better because it presupposes omniscience, which is something the Reapers and Leviathans clearly never had.

Omniscience isn't needed.  Merely experience.  Reapers have had a billion years or more to refine and improve themselves.  They created the Citadel and the relay network.  They can handle levels of power that would baffle scientists.  The upper limits of their capabilities are, frankly, unknown.  They have curb-stomped every single race to follow them and have only failed to destroy their own creators because their creators were able to run and hide from them..

 

Much as some of Shepard's lines get rightly mocked for being overwrought in ME3.  Shep was right about one thing:

 

"The Reapers are more powerful than we are.  More advanced, more intelligent.  They don't fear us"

[Iakus]

I guess they figured out how to handle refugees better than the current cycle.

I swear if they get to Andromeda and find WIll Smith and Tommy Lee Jones there wearing suits and dark glasses...

[straykat]

The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is why the Reapers/Leviathan didn't even show any sign of trying to get there.

 

Because going to another galaxy, if possible, is fully within their goals. Their aim wasn't just to turn the Milky Way into a petri dish. The Catalyst wanted to solve the AI problem in general. An entity looking for solutions would look anywhere..It would be curious what the rest of the universe had found out, if anything. And it would not limit it's quest to one small corner of the Universe, with some makeshift "patch" to the problem like the Harvest. That was never supposed to be a permanent solution.

[Killroy]

If the Leviathans were immobile, they'd have been harvested long ago.  They don't move around much because they don't want to risk detection by the Reapers.

They were harvested by the Reapers long ago. They were a race of giant sea-faring parasites, incapable of making their own craft, and they got got. Hardly the masters of the universe everyone makes them out to be.
 

The Reapers, stupidly written aside, are far, far more advanced than the current cycle.  They never let the younger races get anywhere near being a threat to them (Their power sources "seem to break known physical laws").

 

That's demonstrably false. The Crucible was passed down, cycle to cycle, for perhaps millions of years.
 

So whether you consider the masters of mass effect technology or not, they are a heck of  a lot further down that path than humanity is.

They very clearly plateaued. They made no great advancements after the relays.
 

Omniscience isn't needed.  Merely experience.  Reapers have had a billion years or more to refine and improve themselves.  They created the Citadel and the relay network.  They can handle levels of power that would baffle scientists.  The upper limits of their capabilities are, frankly, unknown.  They have curb-stomped every single race to follow them and have only failed to destroy their own creators because their creators were able to run and hide from them..

The Reapers weren't tinkering for billions of years. The first Reaper is still the best and the Catalyst was just twiddling his thumbs once the cycles were initiated. To say the Reapers are brilliant scientists, making scientific advancements billions of years more advanced than organic beings are capable of is completely unfounded conjecture that isn't supported by the games.
 

Much as some of Shepard's lines get rightly mocked for being overwrought in ME3.  Shep was right about one thing:

"The Reapers are more powerful than we are.  More advanced, more intelligent.  They don't fear us"

Machine-intellect=/=omniscient mind, which is exactly what you're saying the Reapers possess. Stephen Hawking is smarter than the guy who invented who invented roller blades, so why didn't Stephen Hawking invent roller blades? Neil DeGrasse Tyson is a lot smarter than a guy who makes tables for a living, so why doesn't Tyson make tables?
Your argument is really, really dumb. For the Reapers to have made every possible advancement they would have to be omniscient. All it would take for our cycle to make that one breakthrough is a special mind. 

[Killroy]

The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is why the Reapers/Leviathan didn't even show any sign of trying to get there.

 

Why would we know of their efforts? The Reapers are only chatty when they're talkin' smack and the remaining Leviathans weren't around during the Leviathans' heyday, let alone chatty enough to tell us about failed excursions.

[9TailsFox]

What if there is something that is stronger than the Reapers there in Andromeda?

Like a good synthetic race that protects Andromeda from outside invaders?

This. Reapers are not all knowing leviathans are idiots who programmed AI who killed them. Reapers not advanced for billions years they are in evolution stagnation they don't do research they just harvest. They kill everyone before they can create better technology. Reapers was created by idiots space parasites who was "best" in the galaxy probably only because they are one of first races in the galaxy.

 

When Remnants created synths and they asked dos this unit have a soul. The answer was no, we created you, your purpose is to do job we can't and do everything you we say. And didn't kill anyone.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I swear if they get to Andromeda and find WIll Smith and Tommy Lee Jones there wearing suits and dark glasses...

It would make the game a lot better. Both Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones are great actors and I'd love for them to have a role. 

[Killroy]

It would make the game a lot better. Both Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones are great actors and I'd love for them to have a role.