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[Lebanese Dude]

Sten should be dead if left in this cage.

 

Why should he?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Why should he?

I don't know, maybe because unstoppable horde of monsters killing everything on its way was going to Lothering.

[Lebanese Dude]

I don't even remember anything about Sten when I first played. I'm not sure I even recruited him. That's how much I cared.

 

I grew to appreciate him later, but I still hate the Qun. I think he served a similar purpose as Wynne though.. he always emphasized duty, telling the Warden they'd find their purpose in their "role" as a Warden. Like wynne, he didn't care about your personal life. You were just a husk, meant to fill a role or ideal. I still don't like him for that.. but it's necessary to have characters like this.

 

Well he wasn't exactly very approachable at first hehe. In fact you have to bend over backwards to recruit him unlike all other companions. It doesn't help he's also easy to miss.

 

I don't think characters are likable to everyone. nor should they be.

 

Many people prefer the rigid ones like Morrigan, Shale, and Sten.

 

It's good you mention Wynne because they are polar opposites in personality while simultaneously fulfilling the role of someone who constantly questions your actions. A counselor if you will. 

[Lebanese Dude]

I don't know, maybe because unstoppable horde of monsters killing everything on its way was going to Lothering.

 

Why do you assume that Sten keels over and lets himself be killed by those who killed his friends?

 

Is it so irrational to believe that he pries the jail bars open or someone frees him?

 

No need to discount these possibilities.

 

In any scenario, his survival is not even confirmed so there's no need to bash the writers, at least in this regard.

[straykat]

Well he wasn't exactly very approachable at first hehe. In fact you have to bend over backwards to recruit him unlike all other companions. It doesn't help he's also easy to miss.

 

I don't think characters are likable to everyone. nor should they be.

 

Many people prefer the rigid ones like Morrigan, Shale, and Sten.

 

It's good you mention Wynne because they are polar opposites in personality while simultaneously fulfilling the role of someone who constantly questions your actions. A counselor if you will. 

 

I love Shale (one of my favorite Bioware characters in general), but I hate Morrigan the most. I don't even hate Sten.. it's just like "whatever dude". The only person I willingly leave him in the cage with now is a Cousland. I just don't see why they'd free a murderer of families, when their own family just got slaughtered too. They aren't that desperate yet

 

But yeah, there's a strange similarity (at least here) with Wynne for me.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Why do you assume that Sten keels over and lets himself be killed by those who killed his friends?

 

Is it so irrational to believe that he pries the jail bars open or someone frees him?

 

Because it is exactly what he does unless you give him opportunity of redemption by helping you with blight. Even if you open the cage and tell him he is free , he will stay in cage and refuse leave it beliving he should stay and die. 

[Lebanese Dude]

Because it is exactly what he does unless you give him opportunity of redemption by helping you with blight. Even if you open the cage and tell him he is free , he will stay in cage and refuse leave it beliving he should stay and die. 

 

Right, but isn't it also logical to assume, given his past experiences with darkspawn, that he wouldn't allow himself to die in vain in the same way that his companions did? 
 

i can imagine a scenario where the sight of darkspawn revitalizes him to continue his quest rather than just die. That's a purpose.

 

It's not unfathomable. We're talking about Sten here.

[Lebanese Dude]

I love Shale (one of my favorite Bioware characters in general), but I hate Morrigan the most. I don't even hate Sten.. it's just like "whatever dude". The only person I willingly leave him in the cage with now is a Cousland. I just don't see why they'd free a murderer of families, when their own family just got slaughtered too. They aren't that desperate yet

 

But yeah, there's a strange similarity (at least here) with Wynne for me.

I didn't recruit Sten on a one Cousland playthrough too. In my case it was my female human noble not desiring the redemption of someone who committed his "unspeakable" crimes, and he's a Qunari no less. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Right, but isn't it also logical to assume, given his past experiences with darkspawn, that he wouldn't allow himself to die in vain like his companions I did?
 

i can imagine a scenario where the sight of darkspawn revitalizes him to continue his quest rather than just die.

 

It's not unfathomable. We're talking about Sten here. 

Pretty much this scenario and him becoming Arishok is borderline impossible.

 

As i said he was content with dying and refusing to leave his cage , even if he somehow got a revelation that he should escape he would have fight through horde of darkspawn and nedless to say that Sten isn't character from dragon ball to do so. And then even if somehow he managed to do so , he wouldn't be able return as he lost his sword and he himself thought it was futile task to search for it.   

[Lebanese Dude]

Pretty much this scenario and him becoming Arishok is borderline impossible.

 

As i said he was content with dying and refusing to leave his cage , even if he somehow got a revelation that he should escape he would have fight through horde of darkspawn and nedless to say that Sten isn't character from dragon ball to do so. And then even if somehow he managed to do so , he wouldn't be able return as he lost his sword and he himself thought it was futile task to search for it.   

 

Who says he fights them? Sten isn't a coward but he isn't suicidal either. He doesn't want to die in the cage because he WANTS to die. He is simply content with dying as a punishment for his crimes given that he had no purpose at the time. I sincerely doubt he'd mar the memory of his companions by dying the same way they did. A renewed purpose at the sight of something that triggers someone's memories is not exactly unheard of.

 

He may just retreat before he is overwhelmed by the horde.

 

If there are a few stragglers ahead of it, I'm sure he can dispatch them with a nearby shovel if he had to. Better yet, he'd just use the remains of the jail bar he pried open.

 

Also I'm certain he can track his sword it'll just take far more time than if he had been with the Warden. He has four years to find it before the events of Act 2 in Dragon Age 2.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Who says he fights them? 

 

He may just retreat before he is overwhelmed by the horde.

 

If there are a few stragglers ahead of it, I'm sure he can dispatch them with a nearby shovel if he had to.

 

Right, unless Sten is dragon age equivalent of Flash good luck with that.

 

Pretty much Hawke is good example that once darkspawn got there he was screwd despite hawke had 4 people to help him. 

 

 

Also I'm certain he can track his sword it'll just take far more time than if he had been with the Warden. He has four years to find it before the events of Act 2 in Dragon Age 2.

As i said he thought it was futile task , so i doubt he would search for it in first place.It isn't even just matter of time , but also luck if warden wasn't in right place in right time he would have never find sten sword. 

[Knight of Dane]

People often partake in futile actions TheKomandorShepard, besides the point is not that "he definitely did this" but that it is a possbility Bioware might very well use as a explanation.

 

Another more far out explanation could be that someone else frees him, or perhaps even the revered mother does, seeing the Darkspawn she decides like Leliana that no one deserves to be killed by them, at least not chained up.

 

Again, not saying any of those things did happen, just that they could.

[Lebanese Dude]

Right, unless Sten is dragon age equivalent of Flash good luck with that.

 

Pretty much Hawke is good example that once darkspawn got there he was screwd despite hawke had 4 people to help him. 

 

 

As i said he thought it was futile task , so i doubt he would search for it in first place.It isn't even just matter of time , but also luck if warden wasn't in right place in right time he would have never find sten sword. 

 

Darkspawn aren't exactly speed runners either. Hawke was limited in speed because of his mother. They weren't just going to abandon her. Then there's Wesley who's also injured when we meet up with Aveline.

 

I'm sure that without them they would have gotten away much more smoothly. At that point they were surrounded by darkspawn. Also it is noted by Varric that the Hawke family left at the very last minute when Hawke and/or Carver return from Ostagar. 

 

Sten is traveling alone with nothing to slow him down.

 

Finding the sword isn't impossible. Sten is a tracker. He would have found it eventually, perhaps with more blood spilled than was necessary.

 

You can find a needle in a haystack. It'll just take you a long time. Four years seems long enough to me given that the Warden found it within days.

 

I've given you the potential logical options. At this point it's only about how much you're willing to accept them. 

[straykat]

I think Sten might have gotten lucky if he met that merchant outside Orzammar. He's blatantly selling used stuff.. and even other Qunari swords. Maybe he could shake him down. I don't know.

[Lebanese Dude]

I think Sten might have gotten lucky if he met that merchant outside Orzammar. He's blatantly selling used stuff.. and even other Qunari swords. Maybe he could shake him down. I don't know.

 

Sten just heads to the lake and starts his investigation there. That old man was just sitting there on a pile of Qunari bones.

 

Is the Warden the only one capable of asking questions and getting answers? lol

[Mistic]

If Bioware managed to have a literally resurrected Leliana, justifying the survival of a character who was never reported to be death would be too easy.

[TheKomandorShepard]

People often partake in futile actions TheKomandorShepard, besides the point is not that "he definitely did this" but that it is a possbility Bioware might very well use as a explanation.

 

Another more far out explanation could be that someone else frees him, or perhaps even the revered mother does, seeing the Darkspawn she decides like Leliana that no one deserves to be killed by them, at least not chained up.

 

Again, not saying any of those things did happen, just that they could.

Well, did you talked to Sten? Sten isn't kind of person that will go and do something he thinks is futile , in fact if you start doing futile things in his eyes your approval will start dropping.

 

Pretty much revered mother was person to put him there to die out dehydration/darkspawn , it is clear she not only didn't mind Sten dying but also wanted it ,plus she was only one with the key.

 

 

Darkspawn aren't exactly speed runners either. Hawke was limited in speed because of his mother. They weren't just going to abandon her. Then there's Wesley who's also injured when we meet up with Aveline.

 

I'm sure that without them they would have gotten away much more smoothly. At that point they were surrounded by darkspawn. Also it is noted by Varric that the Hawke family left at the very last minute when Hawke and/or Carver return from Ostagar. 

 

Sten is traveling alone with nothing to slow him down.

 

Finding the sword isn't impossible. Sten is a tracker. He would have found it eventually, perhaps with more blood spilled than was necessary.

 

You can find a needle in a haystack. It'll just take you a long time. Four years seems long enough to me given that the Warden found it within days.

 

I've given you the potential logical options. At this point it's only about how much you're willing to accept them. 

 

Actually, yes darkspawn are good runners , with or without Hawke mother didn't matter because darkspawn were already there and were overhelming them, only obstacle was Wesley that came later.Doesn't matter because if thing you are saying is true Sten leaves when darkspawn are already there.

 

It is impossible if weren't in right place at the right time like the warden. If scavenger left , the warden wouldn't be able localize sword. 

 

It is isn't needle in a haystack, only sword that can be just about anywhere even in house of some Antivan.So needles to say comparison is poor as haystack isn't nowhere near of whole continent . 

 

Those aren't logical options, because they base on ungodly luck one time after another.

[Knight of Dane]

Well, did you talked to Sten? Sten isn't kind of person that will go and do something he thinks is futile , in fact if you start doing futile things in his eyes your approval will start dropping.

 

Pretty much revered mother was person to put him there to die out dehydration/darkspawn , it is clear she not only didn't mind Sten dying but also wanted it ,plus she was only one with the key.

 

Any person can become subject to futility, even Qunari are more fluid beings than what they will let you on.

 

As I said, it was just one option. Anyone could also pick the lock or steal the key, those are both options for the Warden after all.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Any person can become subject to futility, even Qunari are more fluid beings than what they will let you on.

 

As I said, it was just one option. Anyone could also pick the lock or steal the key, those are both options for the Warden after all.

 

What doesn't mean they do , pretty your explanation consist of extremely unlikely to near impossible chains of events.

 

Not anyone because not anyone can pick locks or steal the key from revered mother what significantly drops chances that someone would do that, then we have fact Sten is Qunari that aren't most popular people and murdered entire family what brings down chances that someone would free him even further.

[Tidus]

The hard facts is if nobody frees him then he will die just like that caged dead mage we find when we  return to Ostagar. The Revered   Mother is the one holding the key to free Sten.

 

I only use Sten once or twice the rest of the  time he guards the camp with Alistair ,dog,Wynne and Oghren. until the battle of Denerim.

 

I don't use the skills like stealing since the skill points is to precious to waste on useless skills.

[berelinde]

Two pages in and nobody posted an Arishok "No" meme?

[straykat]

Two pages in and nobody posted an Arishok "No" meme?

 

I don't think even Sten fans could say he's THAT badass.

 

He either needs help or some interesting happenstance got the cage busted and he epically defended himself out of sheer luck.

[Lebanese Dude]

Well, did you talked to Sten? Sten isn't kind of person that will go and do something he thinks is futile , in fact if you start doing futile things in his eyes your approval will start dropping.

 

Pretty much revered mother was person to put him there to die out dehydration/darkspawn , it is clear she not only didn't mind Sten dying but also wanted it ,plus she was only one with the key.

 

 

 

Actually, yes darkspawn are good runners , with or without Hawke mother didn't matter because darkspawn were already there and were overhelming them, only obstacle was Wesley that came later.Doesn't matter because if thing you are saying is true Sten leaves when darkspawn are already there.

 

It is impossible if weren't in right place at the right time like the warden. If scavenger left , the warden wouldn't be able localize sword. 

 

It is isn't needle in a haystack, only sword that can be just about anywhere even in house of some Antivan.So needles to say comparison is poor as haystack isn't nowhere near of whole continent . 

 

Those aren't logical options, because they base on ungodly luck one time after another.

 

The mother fell trying to run. Clearly she was slowing them down. One of the twins died protecting her because she was comparatively feeble. How are you contesting this? lol

 

Qunari run fast too, or are you assuming Sten is a turtle? Perhaps Shrieks may outrun him but since when are shrieks on the front line of an army?

 

The Warden was at the right time and the right place as well. What makes them special? Why is the Warden immune to this scrutiny but not Sten?

 

It seems you're trying really hard to justify Sten not being able to run and find the sword when others have done both. 

 

The fact of the matter is, the burden of proof is on me being able to provide a logical reason why Sten could escape. We did not see him die, therefore he may be alive. There are several ways that could have happened.

 

Perhaps the revered mother opened the key for him out of pity before leaving the village. Who knows? We certainly don't. What she told us is irrelevant, because it is also possible that we never spoke to her to begin with. 

 

Details on why it couldn't happen are pointless because neither of us know the facts, especially when his death is never mentioned nor displayed.

 

In any case there is no point arguing this further. We should have had a consensus by now if you were truly interested in resolving this.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The mother fell trying to run. Clearly she was slowing them down. One of the twins died protecting her because she was comparatively feeble. How are you contesting this? lol

 

Qunari run fast too, or are you assuming Sten is a turtle? Perhaps Shrieks may outrun him but since when are shrieks on the front line of an army?

 

The Warden was at the right time and the right place as well. What makes them special? Why is the Warden immune to this scrutiny but not Sten?

 

It seems you're trying really hard to justify Sten not being able to run and find the sword when others have done both. 

 

The fact of the matter is, the burden of proof is on me being able to provide a logical reason why Sten could escape. We did not see him die, therefore he may be alive. There are several ways that could have happened.

 

Perhaps the revered mother opened the key for him out of pity before leaving the village. Who knows? We certainly don't. What she told us is irrelevant, because it is also possible that we never spoke to her to begin with. 

 

Details on why it couldn't happen are pointless because neither of us know the facts, especially when his death is never mentioned nor displayed.

 

In any case there is no point arguing this further. We should have had a consensus by now if you were truly interested in resolving this.

 

So? That she fell doesn't mean she slowed them down considerably,she got up quickly. Bethany/Carver death contributes nothing to slowing them down because they were already caught by darkspawn. Darkspawn were already ahead of them mother or not , same for Aveline. 

 

First of all we don't know if Qunari are fast , gamplay wise doesn't seem like it as Sten is Warrior and Tank and considering Sten was in cage for weeks if i recall and even more so if warden didn't free him he would be far from good shape. Shrieks are part of the horde.  

 

The warden is pc and he/she was just very lucky that narrative send them there at right time? As well you may ask why alistair got his ass kicked if he tried to save Ferelden but the warden didn't.

 

Not rly just ridiculous if it consist of highlyimprobable to near impossible chain of events.

 

Revered mother once again was one who put him there to die fully knowing he will die and she was perfectly fine with it, so yeah i don't think so.

[Knight of Dane]

What doesn't mean they do , pretty your explanation consist of extremely unlikely to near impossible chains of events.

 

Not anyone because not anyone can pick locks or steal the key from revered mother what significantly drops chances that someone would do that, then we have fact Sten is Qunari that aren't most popular people and murdered entire family what brings down chances that someone would free him even further.

1) No, as I have said multible times I am simply listing possibilities I have never claimed any sort of likeness.

 

2) Yes anyone. There is a difference between "anyone" and "everyone."