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Does Sten die if you leave him in Lothering?


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1) No, as I have said multible times I am simply listing possibilities I have never claimed any sort of likeness.

 

2) Yes anyone. There is a difference between "anyone" and "everyone."

1)And once again your possibilities consist of chain of events that range from very unlikely to near impossible.

 

2)Point stays , once again extremely unlikely to happen.



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1)And once again your possibilities consist of chain of events that range from very unlikely to near impossible.

 

2)Point stays , once again extremely unlikely to happen.

 

I never contested that, it can still happen. This is not a reality event but something that happens in a writers narrative, literally anything can happen.


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I never contested that, it can still happen. This is not a reality event but something that happens in a writers narrative, literally anything can happen.

Of course , but it is nothing more than bad writing (what is quite common with bioware). Even fictional world should have rules and consistency (unless it is some bizarre world that is nothing like ours), Dragon age world is based largely on ours just with extra elements like magic and species. So just because it is fiction doesn't mean it shouldn't be credible.



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No, no, Sten is just too awesome to die. Who else will play with the kittens with yarn?



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No, no, Sten is just too awesome to die. Who else will play with the kittens with yarn?

Anders , unless you stabbed him or he went bonkers.



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I'm sure Dog will have fun with kittens too.



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Anders , unless you stabbed him or he went bonkers.

Anders have more chance to survive than Sten. Justice possessed corpse you want to kill someone like this with one stab plus Anders powerful healer.



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Anders have more chance to survive than Sten. Justice possessed corpse you want to kill someone like this with one stab plus Anders powerful healer.

Devs confirmed that Anders is dead (if killed) while Justice may not be dead.



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Devs confirmed that Anders is dead (if killed) while Justice may not be dead.

 

Creepy. I didn't know that.



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Devs confirmed that Anders is dead (if killed) while Justice may not be dead.

Death is just small inconvenience.

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Death is just small inconvenience.

Not when devs confirmed character is dead.



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Is it so irrational to believe that he pries the jail bars open or someone frees him?

 

 

This is very much plausible,an ash warrior,a traveler,a refugee,basically everyone could have freed Sten.


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This is very much plausible,an ash warrior,a traveler,a refugee,basically everyone could have freed Sten.

 

Not rly , revered mother was only person that had key , so pretty much only thief would be able to get out Sten of cage , then we go to the matter why theif would free psycho qunari that killed an entire family ,and then we go to another matter that sten didn't want to leave cage anyway,



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Sten declines food  and water and stated he will wait until his death. Only the warden's prodding  got him to join the group. Even then he proves his self to be a royal pain and at one point he will try to take over the group. I had this to happen in my first three games until I learn the wonderful results of giving gifts.

 

The only people I enjoy killing is Loghain, Howe and the Trevinter slavers. Never found a reason to kill Flemeth or Leliana. I foolishly killed Zevran in my first two games due to bad information.

 

I have no doubt Sten dies in that cage..You see when the horde descends upon Lothering it will be chaotic and the results is predicable- every man for himself.   



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Sure it's possible that Sten survives.

 

It is possible that the Templars hitched his cage to their horses and dragged him with them through the countryside for no reason.

It is possible that Flemeth was flying over Lothering on her way to save Hawke and decided to let him out for giggles.

It is possible that another space baby fell on Lothering, just happened to crash into Sten's cage in such a way the he was released, and he raised the child according to the Qun.

It is possible that the Revered Mother trips during the evacuation and just happens to drop the key within Sten's reach and he decides "Eh, why not?"

It is possible that Hawke and/or Carver decide to let the murderous oxman, who tore people they knew apart with his bare hands, out of his cage.

It is possible that Sten completely loses control of himself at the eleventh hour, Hulks his way out of his cage, cuts a swath of destruction through the entire Darkspawn horde to make his escape, and somehow finds a ship's crew in Gwaren willing to let him work for passage to Par Vollen.

 

Lots of things are possible.  Not many are likely

 

Given our interaction with Sten, we know that until the Warden convinces him to come along, Sten wants to stay in that cage.  He has lost his squad and sword, so he can never go home.  He murdered innocents who sheltered him and feels the stain of that.  He is a failure in basically every way, from his point of view.  Even the Warden doesn't convince him to change his stance on dying, just the method.  It is Sten's decision to die in Lothering.  It is far more likely that he stands by that decision and waits for the darkspawn to arrive, at which point he is killed.



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Sten trying to be honorable and die for his crimes is different then sitting and allowing darkspawn just to have your way with you. Sten is a warrior he would not see honor in allowing the darkspawn to just kill you no Qunari would. Considering Darkspawn are the ultimate evil in the series. Also remember there was some chasind near his cage and they was already scared to death. The town is at a point where you can see and hear the darkspawn as they approach its not like a army of darkspawn will not be heard miles away. This gives time for either

A)Chasind free Sten out of fear(it wouldn't surprise me if they had lockpicking skills)

B)Revered Mother agrees to free him for help(no matter how stubborn she maybe her entire town was in danger)

C)Templars just freed him for help

D)Townsfolk pleaded for him to be freed

 

Either way somebody would have let him out of that cage. The fact he was seen as a giant and a killer is even more of a reason to do the whole enemy of my enemy is my friend thing and let out the biggest monster you have caged up in hopes it would possibly help you out in gratitude. Sadly for them Sten is not that guy he would just abandon them and look for his sword. The time it takes for the town to get destroyed is the spawn of one main quest. So even if the warden left sten there is still time between when he left sten and completed any main quest open for Sten to be free someway. Its not like its a confirmed death. And the fact he is one of the few unkillable companions in that game. Yea I am about 99% sure Sten is Arishok


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But staying and waiting for the darkspawn is exactly what he says he wants to do. Even if you open the cage on your own he refuses to leave unless you convince him.



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Well, at the very least concerning the Arishok:

 



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Lots of things are possible.  Not many are likely

 

True, but remember that we know of the extended universe: if Sten survives as part of the companions, he becomes the new Arishok. We know that it's not only possible, but very likely that DA4 will be set in Tevinter during a Qunari invasion. The likelihood of the new Arishok appearing becomes higher then, and probably for more than just a cameo.

 

Of course, it is possible for Bioware to create two different Arishoks just to make it canon that Sten died in Lothering even if there isn't any body or in-universe source that says he died to begin with (which is even a step below the famous Never Found The Body), but is it likely?



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Logic dictates he should be dead since the darkspawn's brutality would lead them to kill a defenseless living being locked in a cage.

 

Official channels have no clear statement on his condition. But there's a comic where Sten is portrayed as the Arishok. So it would be safe to assume he somehow escaped his cage in time to evade Lothering, somehow recovered his lost sword and managed to reach Par Vollen. Somehow. Or that the comic departs from one possible gameplay - Warden saves Sten - out of all the others you can make in the game.

 

So we're back where we started and I wasn't able to answer your question. Sorry.


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Logic dictates he should be dead since the darkspawn's brutality would lead them to kill a defenseless living being locked in a cage.

 

That's already making two assumptions: that Sten was defenseless (aren't the villagers precisely afraid of him because he can be a killing-machine even without his sword?) and was locked when the darkspawn arrived.

 

Still, my point is the meta-game. We know that Bioware will go as far as having a character be a resurrected spirit (revealed in epilogue) even after having the PC kill her on screen if it suits their needs. Bonus points when the character is a well-known companion. We already know they like the idea of Sten being the new Arishok thanks to the comics, so the likelihood of the two options at hand isn't exactly the same out-universe even if it may be the same in-universe (the Theory of Narrative Causality and the Sorting Algorithm of Deadness).


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True, but remember that we know of the extended universe: if Sten survives as part of the companions, he becomes the new Arishok. We know that it's not only possible, but very likely that DA4 will be set in Tevinter during a Qunari invasion. The likelihood of the new Arishok appearing becomes higher then, and probably for more than just a cameo.

 

Of course, it is possible for Bioware to create two different Arishoks just to make it canon that Sten died in Lothering even if there isn't any body or in-universe source that says he died to begin with (which is even a step below the famous Never Found The Body), but is it likely?

 

Well, those same comics depict Alistair as king, and yet the games have taken into account all his possible states from the end of DA:O.  A Wrex/Wreav situation is not at all out of the question for the Arishok, particularly given they've stated time and again that the comics represent only the writer's personal choices.



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After Lelianna reattaches her head, she goes and free Sten from the cage and make a fake body for Anders. 



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After Lelianna reattaches her head, she goes and free Sten from the cage and make a fake body for Anders. 

You forget also that she resurrected Oghren (SPIRIT DID IT!) and went through eluvian and healed Morrigan.Best part that if you didn't killed her you can still say that nug king did it , that power of the choice in dragon age is overwhelming. ;)


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You forget also that she resurrected Oghren (SPIRIT DID IT!) and went through eluvian and healed Morrigan.Best part that if you didn't killed her you can still say that nug king did it , that power of the choice in dragon age is overwhelming. ;)

I agree,Bioware should stop with this kind of plot armor that they gave to:

 

-Oghren(why you're not dead if the player killed you?)

 

-Leliana(why you're not dead if the player killed you?)

 

-Morrigan (stab you only in the stomach and push you into the mirror to let you escape ? I didn' t want to push you to allow you to escape..

not to mention that the eluvian was intact to follow you at any time...who  wrote that silly plot armor?

no to mention the red lyrium dragon battle,how you managed to survive from that fall from the sky?)

 

-Sten(you was  from 20 days in that cage and nobody cared for you,while an army of monsters  were akin to destroy the village..) 

They want to give to Sten the title of Arishok so they retcon the player decision in DA2,because if a player spared the Arishok they said that Isabela managed to escape and stole the book again,so that the Arishok will now be removed in place for Sten who would become the new Arishok regardless of your choice in DA2.
 
 
i hate plot armors..