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[JadeDragon]

As much as I liked Giselle she should have died some point post skyhold. She didn't add anything after dorian's personal quest which could've been delivered another way if needed. Like towards the final act of the game she should've been assassinated so instead of just repeating dialogue in the garden her death could have added depth to the story

[Knight of Dane]

 

 

That is the face of someone quietly plotting your assassination!

[Arshei]

That is the face of someone quietly plotting your assassination!

 

The perfect dog for the perfect character

[Knight of Dane]

The perfect dog for the perfect character

Yep

[nightscrawl]

As much as I liked Giselle she should have died some point post skyhold. She didn't add anything after dorian's personal quest which could've been delivered another way if needed. Like towards the final act of the game she should've been assassinated so instead of just repeating dialogue in the garden her death could have added depth to the story

 

I disagree. Even though she wasn't actually helpful for my Inquisitor, I liked the idea of talking to her after the Fade sequence as part of my RP of an Andrastian with faith issues.

[GoldenGail3]

No.

[Xerrai]

I'm not saying that she doesn't have faults.

But we're talking about a woman who went on a hunger strike in Denerim, screwed up her chances of climbing the chantry ladder, and basically defied the Chantry.

-Ferelden Refugees come in-

Giselle: Guys we need food to help these people.

Chantry: -remains silent-

Refugees: -are starving-

Poor People: -are starving-

Giselle: Attention people, me and my fellow priestesses are going on a hunger strike.

Giselle: This was given to us by the Chantry, but you need it more.

Giselle: -gives food to  the poor-

Chantry:....What the f**** are you doing?

Giselle: Feeding people.

Chantry: Well if your going to be like THAT...here's some food. Give it to the chantry first, then the orlesians, then the fereldens, then the alienage.

Giselle: -gives food to everyone regardless of race or status--

Chantry:...You are NEVER EVER going to get a promotion.

(This is in World of Thedas Vol. 2)

[Arshei]

I'm not saying that she doesn't have faults.

But we're talking about a woman who went on a hunger strike in Denerim, screwed up her chances of climbing the chantry ladder, and basically defied the Chantry.

-Ferelden Refugees come in-

Giselle: Guys we need food to help these people.

Chantry: -remains silent-

Refugees: -are starving-

Poor People: -are starving-

Giselle: Attention people, me and my fellow priestesses are going on a hunger strike.

Giselle: This was given to us by the Chantry, but you need it more.

Giselle: -gives food to  the poor-

Chantry:....What the f**** are you doing?

Giselle: Feeding people.

Chantry: Well if your going to be like THAT...here's some food. Give it to the chantry first, then the orlesians, then the fereldens, then the alienage.

Giselle: -gives food to everyone regardless of race or status--

Chantry:...You are NEVER EVER going to get a promotion.

(This is in World of Thedas Vol. 2)

 

The history needs more rabbit and vampires. But well enough 8/10

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I didn't know she went from Denerim to the village we see at the start, but still with everything she did at the end she remain in Orlais close to the divine.

[Xerrai]

The history needs more rabbit and vampires. But well enough 8/10

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I didn't know she went from Denerim to the village we see at the start, but still with everything she did at the end she remain in Orlais close to the divine.

Oops. Looked it up. I was actually in Jader

[Dean_the_Young]

I think she genuinely means well and wants to help people.   What tends to annoy me is how she happily adjusts the truth to suit her audience.   She tells my elf that the Exalted March on the Dales wasn't really an Exalted March.   Really?   Then take a look at all the propaganda in the Exalted Plains, Giselle, because Sister Amity sure as hell thought it was an Exalted March (I think the clue is in the name they gave to the battle fields).  

 

You're upset that Mother Giselle has the objectivity to not drink the coolaid and believe propoganda as truth?
 

Mother Giselle lays out what she thinks an Exalted March is. Sister Amity can call it whatever she wants, but if it doesn't meet the criteria than it doesn't qualify.

 

You can argue that Mother Giselle's definition is wrong, but it's hard to claim she's twisting the facts with it.

 

 

Still I'll grant her the fact that she was at least willing to admit she was wrong about Dorian and apologise to him in public, so definitely among the better Chantry clergy.  However, it was a pity she didn't step forward and defend our efforts on behalf of the common people to the Exalted Council.   It was noticeable how there were no witnesses for the defence in that one.   Mind you I suppose I shouldn't be surprised considering she had already admitted she wanted it disbanded even before the others got their teeth stuck in.

 

 

Shouldn't the blame be on the Inquisitor for that one? Or Josephine?

 

Or is Mother Giselle supposed to run across Thedas to play politics (which she's notable for avoiding) to support the preservation of an institution she has concerns about?

[nightscrawl]

Or is Mother Giselle supposed to run across Thedas to play politics (which she's notable for avoiding) to support the preservation of an institution she has concerns about?

Just FYI... there is no "running across Thedas" because she's already there, in Trespasser. Gervaise likely wouldn't have made the comment if that hadn't been the case.

 

However, I will say that, given that the Divine is present, and also on the Exalted Council, it seems unlikely that she would speaking openly about whatever. I can see her talking to the Divine in private about it, but that's all, really.

Unfortunately, I can't remember what she says during the short meeting you have with her at the start of Trespasser, other than the fact that she tells you about Dorian being there as the Tevinter ambassador.

[JadeDragon]

I disagree. Even though she wasn't actually helpful for my Inquisitor, I liked the idea of talking to her after the Fade sequence as part of my RP of an Andrastian with faith issues.

Don't get me wrong I enjoyed that as well especially since my Inquisitor was Andrastian and was also having faith issues at that point. She helped reassure my Inquisitor often which is why I say she should have died. It didn't have to be as soon as you get to skyhold. More like the 3rd Act of the story after Winter Palace and Fade Story. Cory was on a downward spiral at that point he delivered no heavy blows to us. Her dying right before or after Arbor wilds would have done 3 things.

 

1)Giving Cory another personal win after Haven thus making him that much more villainous

 

2)Given the Inquisition as a whole a personal lose(double if your Inquisitor was close to her)

 

3)Also could have been a great way as to why she would not be considered for Divine thus leaving it to the 3 we had

 

It would bring a similar effect like Hawke's mother dying. The prior games had someone close to us die and some important figure.

DA:O Duncan and King Cailan(amount varied depending on origin as well) 

 

DA2 Hawke's brother/sister and mother as well as the viscount

 

DA:I Divine Justinia who was a important figure but nobody close to us unless you let the people who at haven die who get replaced at skyhold

[Dai Grepher]

She was only bringing up valid concerns already stated by the public.

[Big I]

I lost my respect for Giselle when she advocated lying about the events of Adamant. She wanted the Inquisitor to knowingly claim a false divine mandate just because she thought ordinary people would prefer the lie to the truth. What the hell sort of a cleric is she?

[Arshei]

I lost my respect for Giselle when she advocated lying about the events of Adamant. She wanted the Inquisitor to knowingly claim a false divine mandate just because she thought ordinary people would prefer the lie to the truth. What the hell sort of a cleric is she?

 

A normal cleric, even Cassandra prefers a sweet lie than the hard truth

[Big I]

A normal cleric, even Cassandra prefers a sweet lie than the hard truth

 

That is not the case. Cassandra is completely devoted to the truth, she just believes that the Maker sent the Inquisitor to save the world. She even gets angry that the Chantry covered up Ameridan's ethnicity and magic.

[Ashagar]

I lost my respect for Giselle when she advocated lying about the events of Adamant. She wanted the Inquisitor to knowingly claim a false divine mandate just because she thought ordinary people would prefer the lie to the truth. What the hell sort of a cleric is she?

 

A Human one, generally people tend to prefer gentle simple white lies to hurtful truths especially ones that are confusing Ambiguous and leaves more questions than they answers and in some cases it may more moral to not tell the truth.

[Xerrai]

That is not the case. Cassandra is completely devoted to the truth, she just believes that the Maker sent the Inquisitor to save the world. She even gets angry that the Chantry covered up Ameridan's ethnicity and magic.

Her very belief in the maker is the result of faith alone. Not objective truth. But then again the creators said they would never confirm nor deny the existence of the maker.

Just as she believed the Inquisitor was sent to them in her darkest hour, some believes was simply the result of Solas's actions and the orb he gave to Coypheaus. Just as Cassandra believes the maker had a hand in leading the Inquisitor out of the fade, some may believe it was simply the result of happenstance.

Even in the face of all that has been revealed (Solas, the veil not being the creation of the maker, the truth of the conclave), she still believes it to be the result of the maker's hand even though it has been revealed that no unaccountable supernatural phenomena was at the heart of all and instead was the result of mortal actions.

 

A perfect personification of a person more comfortable with the idea that some all-knowing/all-powerful deity is watching over us. It bring her comfort as well as strength. Even though it can (debatably) be found only in a lie.

 

Giselle trying to get you to advocate a divine mandate is hardly anything inherently malicious. Many people do prefer the idea of an all-power Maker (as so clearly shown by Cassandra) over the cold-hard base reality. But like Cassandra too, she believes the Maker has a hand in all things--including the events at adamant. So hardly is it reprehensible.

[Lord Marcus]

Killing her off or to judge her to prison would be nice. I believe she is a demon. The chantry is corrupt.

[KaiserShep]

Some people can't handle Giselle's realness. She can even make people break out into song. 

[Illegitimus]

Killing her off or to judge her to prison would be nice. 

 

On what charge?  

[Ghost Gal]

I lost my respect for Giselle when she advocated lying about the events of Adamant. She wanted the Inquisitor to knowingly claim a false divine mandate just because she thought ordinary people would prefer the lie to the truth. What the hell sort of a cleric is she?

 

A typical one. The Chantry's all about lying, covering up the truth, and re-writing history to tell the people what they want to hear.

 

(I mean, they struck Shartan out of the Chant of Light when human/elf relations went south following the war against the Dales. They re-wrote Ameridan as a non-magic human Andrastian even though he had been an elven mage who worshiped the Creators as well as the Maker. The mages who helped Cassandra save the former Divine got phased out of retellings of her story until they stopped being mentioned altogether, and now most people believe she alone single-handedly slayed the dragon that endangered said divine instead of getting the help she got. The Seekers always hid the truth on how to reverse Tranquility. Etc. Etc.)

[Lord Marcus]

On what charge?  

Treason.

[MidnightWolf]

Treason.

Except She hasn't betrayed anyone she owes allegiance to, nor has she attempted to over-throw them. So good luck getting that to stick.

[Ashagar]

Some people can't handle Giselle's realness. She can even make people break out into song. 

 

Which admittedly been possible, singing used to be a major part of people's life before modern times to the point people did break into song to entertain then selves and pass the time. You had group songs of working, marching, faith, drinking and so forth, its also clear that what she was singing was likely a popular folk song as all the inquisition members knew it without prompting. I would also note that into the 1950s they used to run musical cartoon shorts that movie audiences used to sing along to.