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[MrZork]

Sorry since this is almost certainly in a FAQ list I have missed, but...

 

I have finished the Alienage quests and am back at Eamon's estate before going to the Landsmeet. I would like to keep Alistair in the party for whatever remains of the campaign and not kill Loghain, since I promised Anora I wouldn't if there was a way not to. Is there a way to do this?

 

FWIW: I don't recall if Alistair is hardened (I played the early part of the campaign a long time ago) and the Warden is not pursuing a romance with any companion.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

[Edit] This may not even be the correct forum. If not, oops. I looked at the Combat, Strategy, & Gameplay forum and it seemed most of the discussion there was about character-building and tactics for various battles.

[Krypplingz]

Nope. 

If you want Alistair to remain in your party you have to kill Loghain. No buts. (Unless you find some clever mod maybe?)

If you want them both to live then Alistair must either step up his drinking game or marry Anora. 

[MrZork]

Shoot. That's too bad. I really haven't worked to make any other toon a decent tank.

 

Thank you for such a definitive answer.

 

If you want them both to live then Alistair must either step up his drinking game or marry Anora. 

 

Probably both!

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Shoot. That's too bad. I really haven't worked to make any other toon a decent tank.

 

Thank you for such a definitive answer.

Loghain comes built with tanking in mind. How well he's built for tanking I couldn't say, since I played on Easy.

[MrZork]

Follow-up question: Is it possible to keep Alistair in the party and not have Anora betray the Warden at the Landsmeet?

 

Thanks for the info on Loghain. I don't know if I could stomach having him in the party, but it's good to know he could be a tank.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Follow-up question: Is it possible to keep Alistair in the party and not have Anora betray the Warden at the Landsmeet?

Yeah. Tell her before the Landsmeet she's going to be queen and don't specifically tell her that you intend to kill Loghain. I don't remember if you strictly need to outright lie and say you won't kill Loghain. I do remember that you can tell her she's going to have to marry Alistair, and she goes along with it because it's still a limited win for her politically even if marrying her brother-in-law squicks her out.

 

But anyway, you don't need to spare Loghain (and thus don't need to lose Alistair) to avoid the betrayal. You only have to let her think you're going to at the time when she would otherwise betray you. Ditto for making her queen, if you didn't want to do that: it's not your plans that matter so much as what Anora thinks your plans are when she gives the speech. If taking advantage of that is less to your taste than sparing Loghain... well, this is a political bit. It's not impossible to get through without feeling dirty, but your options are sharply limited if you're not willing to do some questionable things.

[Deadly dwarf]

Regarding Anora, to spare or execute Loghain never comes up in the dialogue with her before the Landsmeet.  To avoid being betrayed by her probably requires selecting specific dialogue options at the beginning of the Landsmeet.  You should probably check with the Dragon Age Wikia to get that dialogue correct.  I also can't help but wonder whether your level of cunning also impacts  who sides with you and whether Anora stays loyal.

[sylvanaerie]

Regarding Anora, to spare or execute Loghain never comes up in the dialogue with her before the Landsmeet.  To avoid being betrayed by her probably requires selecting specific dialogue options at the beginning of the Landsmeet.  You should probably check with the Dragon Age Wikia to get that dialogue correct.  I also can't help but wonder whether your level of cunning also impacts  who sides with you and whether Anora stays loyal.

 

It does get addressed, though only if the player picks that option.  It's one of the many permutations of the landsmeet.  In the dialogue with her at Eamon's estate before you go to the alienage, whether you arrange the marriage to your Male Cousland or Alistair or tell her you will support her, if you don't specifically tell her, (paraphrased) "your father must pay for his crimes", she will continue to support you when the landsmeet comes.  If you choose the dialogue option that tells her he will be paying (which usually means death) for his crimes, she will turn on you at the landsmeet.  You won't know this till the time she steps in however, as she plays her cards close to her chest, revealing nothing at the moment you speak to her at Eamon's estate.

 

Anora has her limits, and being party to knowingly killing her father is it.  Nor will she marry the man who killed him.  If Alistair does, she refuses to marry him, even if doing so costs her the throne.  If the PC does, she refuses to marry the male Cousland.  She forgives the PC for Loghain's death, she's very pragmatic like her dad and has a lot more worries on her mind than personal revenge scenarios.  But she still refuses to be intimate with the man who killed her father.

 

As for OP, no you can't have Alistair in the party with Loghain.  Loghain is his 'crisis point'.  The most you can do is harden him, marry him to Anora, and recruit Loghain.  Even then, Alistair leaves the party to do king-stuff, and you get Loghain.  If I recall, I don't think he's built that well to be a tank (stat wise I seem to recall a crapton of willpower instead of strength or con), but if you're playing on casual mode, he will do adequately (my recruiting warden was a rogue and I replaced Alistair with him).  if you are playing more difficult modes, you may have to drop it for some fights, or use mods to boost him (if possible) in stats you need to make him more effective.

 

He does come with "Champion" spec and a somewhat decent set of massive armor if I recall correctly, which helps.

[dainbramage]

Loghain comes built with tanking in mind. How well he's built for tanking I couldn't say, since I played on Easy.

Honestly his build is a major reason he dies so often in my playthroughs