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[Dai Grepher]

My Surana was cast out of her Dalish clan at a young age because she had magic and they had too many mages. She almost died in the wilderness until an Avvar tribe found her. Unfortunately they only tried using her to summon their false gods across the Veil. They tattooed her face to facilitate this, but it proved too dangerous, so the mark was altered to repel spirits from her instead. Eventually she was rescued by Templars and taken to the Kinloch Hold Circle. She sees the Chantry and their Maker as her salvation. She sees the Dalish as heathens and magic as a dangerous force that must be tightly controlled. She has dedicated her life to serving the Maker and his Chantry faithfully, and being his divine instrument against foul magic. She specializes in anti-magic spells such as Mana Clash and Glyph of Neutralization. She also uses spells that heal or bolster allies stats. She hopes to join the ranks of the templars one day as an anti-mage. Then perhaps become a Seeker of Truth after that. This requires some headcanoning.

[Fylimar]

You know, I always find it amazing, how different people play their characters. It's what makes the threads about character origins so much fun to read. I played both - an Amell and a Surana. And I like that with Surana, you have both options - you can answer in full elf or mage mode or a mixture of both. 

My headcannon has Surana coming from an alienage and she has some memories about her time there. She is not very faithful and would like to have more freedoms, but she is not a trouble maker. She likes and trusts Irving, has not too much problems with the templars and is generally content with the Circle (until the events of the origin of course). She is young and naive enough to think, demons are problems, that happen to other people  (there is a cute little dialogue with Duncan about that topic, where even he tries to caution your character, if she answers too careless ... and we're talking 'bloodmagic is necessary'-Duncan here).

 

BTW: I like your headcannon very much Dai Grepher. I probably would never play a chantry loyal character, but if I do at one time, I might borrow some of your ideas.

[Acno777]

Amell and besides, the ability to grow facial hair is a welcome benefit.

[SirensRequiem]

My canon warden will always be Amell.

I started a Surana playthrough once, but I noticed most of the lines that focused on me being a mage, changed into lines about being an elf instead.

Personally I enjoyed most of the focus being on her magic and not her race, but I will try to provide an argument for both sides.

 

Amell

-theres already 2 other elf origins besides mage and only one other human origin, so I feel like Amell provides more balance.

-HAWKE FAMILY RELATION! I was pretty bummed when I first played DA2, because it was a whole new story. Knowing that my Amell still had family history, really helped connect me into the story.

-More family backstory in general. I read an Amell bit in WoT Vol.2 that the Amell warden has 3 siblings, all mages!

-Its fun to have headcanons where Amell meets warden Carver/Bethany.

-Finding out Amell was a noble creates parellels to the Connor storyline. Would the same thing have happened if she was never taken from her family? Having romanced Alistair, she would be queen of Ferelden if it werent for her being a mage.

-Focus is completely on being a mage which I felt most personal, instead of back and forth on mage and elf.

 

 

Surana

-Learning the Arcane Warrior specialization the way that you do is WAY more personal and meaningful if you are an elf.

-Concept art Surana is a mystical badass babe.

-You get less background info so you have more creative freedom to decide your backstory.

-Maybe you do want to have 2 strikes against you in the eyes of society by being and elf AND a mage. (makes for good drama)

 

I'm out of ideas but I am admittedly biased in favor of my Amell, but I tried to defend both! lol

[vertigomez]

This argument has probably run its course, but here's my two cents:

I enjoyed Surana the most, in part because I romanced Zevran. She was a blood mage, and he tells her he fancies things that are beautiful and strong, dangerous and exciting... the way he pleads for the Warden to have mercy on the mages if you consider annulling the Circle, that such an action is tantamount to genocide for something the mages may or may not be guilty of... it was all very moving.

Granted, all of that's true as an Amell too. But being an elf gave me another excuse to want to be ridiculously powerful and use whatever means I had at my disposal.

[Mike3207]

Surana. Elves just make better mages.

[Mlady]

My canon Warden is an Amell. I like having her connected to Mage Hawke. Only time I enjoy playing an elf is in DAI because the story centers strongly around elves and being one just feels right.

[straykat]

Surana is pretty unique, since it's your only chance to play a Circle elf. But besides that, they are superior stat wise (as far as that matters), you'll get your fill of an Amell story in DA2 with or without a mage, and another decent Circle human in DAI.

[Seraphim24]

Surana is better than Amell.

 

Elven racial bonuses are a bit better for mages (+2 to willpower and magic).

 

Indeed, you get the OP spells like Crushing Prison etc quicker.

[Bowlcuts]

Surana cuz' I can't picture an Amell emitting the godliness that an elvish Surana emits as an Arcane Warrior.

[Sah291]

My favorite origin and canon is Amell...both because it was my very first character, and for story/headcanon reasons (relative of Hawke, from the same circle as Anders and Cullen and a close mage friend/companion of Leliana, and Morrigan).

It makes sense to me if the Warden was a mage, and befriended Leliana, because of her views in DAI, in my opinion. But I guess that works just as well with a Surana too.

After playing DAI, one combo I've wanted to try but haven't was male elf with Morrigan romance and dark ritual done.. probably moreso with the Dalish origin, for story reasons, but elven mage could be interesting too.

[straykat]

My favorite origin and canon is Amell...both because it was my very first character, and for story/headcanon reasons (relative of Hawke, from the same circle as Anders and Cullen and a close mage friend/companion of Leliana, and Morrigan).

It makes sense to me if the Warden was a mage, and befriended Leliana, because of her views in DAI, in my opinion. But I guess that works just as well with a Surana too.

After playing DAI, one combo I've wanted to try but haven't was male elf with Morrigan romance and dark ritual done.. probably moreso with the Dalish origin, for story reasons, but elven mage could be interesting too.

 

The mage thing can just as easily be covered by Wynne, I think. Especially with their story together in Asunder. But I know what you mean. I always thought she was a good romance pairing with the Circle mage (not just befriended). Leli and the Circle mage are both written by Sheryl Chee. And there are kind of parallels with Jowan and Lilly (at least the name ).

 

Leliana works with all elves for me though. She met the City Elf's mother in Leliana's Song. And then In Uthenera also plays at the end of the Dalish Origin.... It's the same song Leliana sings at camp. The lyrics are the same chant Merrill uses to revive Flemeth in DA2. But a Dark Ritual Dalish fits better with Morrigan, I agree. Leliana dwells on death more, I think.

[Sah291]

The mage thing can just as easily be covered by Wynne, I think. Especially with their story together in Asunder. But I know what you mean. I always thought she was a good romance pairing with the Circle mage (not just befriended). Leli and the Circle mage are both written by Sheryl Chee. And there are kind of parallels with Jowan and Lilly (at least the name ).

Agreed, her friendship with Wynne is important to her too, but then again a circle mage Warden could have been motivated to have helped Wynne in the first place, and to save the circle from annulment, etc.... And yep. I also like the parallels with Jowan/Lilly if you romanced Leliana as a mage.

But yeah I have always liked circle mage or elf best, for lore reasons given the themes and conflicts in the game. You can see a mage Warden or Elven Warden having influenced the beliefs and actions of the other characters who show up again later in the series. Since we don't have a reoccurring protagonist in this series, that kind of continuity is good.

[straykat]

Since we don't have a reoccurring protagonist in this series, that kind of continuity is good.

 

I never thought of it that way, but maybe's that's it.

 

I'm mostly torn on which one is the best now.. I like all the elf combos. I was thinking of redoing my elf warrior (Dalish) as a CE.

 

Eh.. so many cool ways to play DAO. Amell and Surana included.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

The main reason why I don't like Amell is because they are related to Hawke. I prefer heroes in a series or a franchise to have little to no relation to one another.

[straykat]

The main reason why I don't like Amell is because they are related to Hawke. I prefer heroes in a series or a franchise to have little to no relation to one another.

 

That's my main problem too.

 

However, somehow it sits better with me with a non-mage Hawke. Like perhaps part of their strength comes from being inspired by this far off relative, and it helps them appreciate Bethany even more.

[Sah291]

The main reason why I don't like Amell is because they are related to Hawke. I prefer heroes in a series or a franchise to have little to no relation to one another.

I see. That's fair enough.

I prefer a reoccurring protagonist, so I like it when there is a connection of some sort....doesn't have to be a relative....long as it isn't too contrived as to be ridiculous. Well, since they keep bringing back characters we know, at least. Otherwise I don't think I'd care if it was a totally brand new cast and setting each game.

[straykat]

I see. That's fair enough.

I prefer a reoccurring protagonist, so I like it when there is a connection of some sort....doesn't have to be a relative....long as it isn't too contrived as to be ridiculous. Well, since they keep bringing back characters we know, at least. Otherwise I don't think I'd care if it was a totally brand new cast and setting each game.

 

Well, I would've liked to see more of Hawke's story.. either in the canceled expansion or more in depth role to the Inquisition. Or just more of that lingering story with Flemeth/Mythal/Merrill. And resolving some Qunari plot, like with Tallis. Instead of the Inquisitor taking everything over.

 

Inquisition feels like a clean break. which I don't like. It even breaks from the Mage/Temp war and destroys it right on the title screen.. and invents another plot.

[themikefest]

Amell

 

Hawke mentions the Warden in the assassin dlc and her/his mother mentions it as well.

[Qun00]

Well, I would've liked to see more of Hawke's story.. either in the canceled expansion or more in depth role to the Inquisition. Or just more of that lingering story with Flemeth/Mythal/Merrill. And resolving some Qunari plot, like with Tallis. Instead of the Inquisitor taking everything over.

Inquisition feels like a clean break. which I don't like. It even breaks from the Mage/Temp war and destroys it right on the title screen.. and invents another plot.

Inquisition's pre Skyhold arc was focused on exactly that. And later on, the new Divine addresses it again to settle the matter once for all.

Fans often have this "it's either everything or nothing" mindset. If DAI's entire MQ revolved around mages vs templars, it would be just DA2.2.

[straykat]

Inquisition's pre Skyhold arc was focused on exactly that. And later on, the new Divine addresses it again to settle the matter once for all.

Fans often have this "it's either everything or nothing" mindset. If DAI's entire MQ revolved around mages vs templars, it would be just DA2.2.

 

No, it wouldn't be DA2. There's a whole world of politics and war involved in something like that.

 

Pre Skyhold arc is shite. You're just siding with mages or temps for a completely different plot (the Corypheus stuff). It has nothing to do with politics or hashing out Chantry issues. And what little conflicts you see are in the Hinterlands, where random mages and templars are killing each other.. But they have nothing to do with anything. It's only to give the illusion that you're somehow "coming in the middle" and resolving something important between mages and templars. It's an illusion. They're just mobs who could just as easily have been rats. You're really just there to build up Reputation points.

 

It's crap.

[Sah291]

I agree DA really needed that DA2 expansion and something is missing without it. It's clear they had to cut a lot out, despite rolling some of it into DAI, because it involved Hawke. Maybe they just should have made Hawke the protagonist for DAI, I don't know.

Then DAI was said to originally cover twice as much ground, so it probably deserved to be told in two parts.... Or who knows, maybe they still will, since we don't know what DA4 will be about yet.

But yeah, for that reason it didn't really feel like a clean enough break to me. We had still characters like Varric, and Leliana, Cullen, and Morrigan back again... So I like to see my previous protagonists made some kind of impact on that world and those characters...and on my current PC... for continuity sake. Even if it mostly comes down to headcanon.

[Qun00]

No, it wouldn't be DA2. There's a whole world of politics and war involved in something like that.

Pre Skyhold arc is shite. You're just siding with mages or temps for a completely different plot (the Corypheus stuff). It has nothing to do with politics or hashing out Chantry issues. And what little conflicts you see are in the Hinterlands, where random mages and templars are killing each other.. But they have nothing to do with anything. It's only to give the illusion that you're somehow "coming in the middle" and resolving something important between mages and templars. It's an illusion. They're just mobs who could just as easily have been rats. You're really just there to build up Reputation points.

It's crap.

The only thing that absolutely had to happen was to give it closure, and the Divine ending already handled that.

What you demand is unnecessary in order to accomplish such and does not belong in a new game.

[straykat]

The only thing that absolutely had to happen was to give it closure, and the Divine ending already handled that.

What you demand is unnecessary in order to accomplish such and does not belong in a new game.

 

Playing RPGs is unnecessary in the first place. That doesn't mean they all have to be crappy.

 

I don't want to just get to point A to B. I'm here for more drama than that.

 

And it's ultimately a problem with the Inquisitor themselves. This whole thing would have been a lot better with their original idea of a human Inquisitor. A detailed story, an actual career path within this War context, instead of some random bum they dig out of a ditch, who swoops in to solve an another end-of-the-world crisis. The barrier to entry is so low for who the hero even is because the story is so generic at this point.

 

I'd say they would be vindicated if they got a bunch of new players. But they didn't.

[vertigomez]

Amell
 
Hawke mentions the Warden in the assassin dlc and her/his mother mentions it as well.

Cullen and Tallis mention an Amell Warden, too.

I still prefer Surana, though. All these humans, mucking up my business! *shakes fist*