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[Ghost Gal]

Amell

 

Hawke mentions the Warden in the assassin dlc and her/his mother mentions it as well.

 

So? Why play a character for a 50-70+ hour playthrough just because a few characters mention him/her once or twice in the next game?

 

For this game (the one we're actually playing these characters with) I think Surana has the potential to make for a much more rich, textured, layered roleplay experience.

 

For Surana: you're not just a mage, you're also an elf. You don't just get grief for your magic, you also get grief for being an elf. You have extra magic and mana since elves have a natural affinity for magic. You have a personal connection to the beloved Arcane Warrior specialization because it's a lost art from your people. Your people have their own historical and cultural views of magic that are available to study in the Circle library, yet aren't acknowledged by human-centered Chantry officials in the game. Your people have their own history with Tevinter that the Chantry rarely acknowledge. (I.e. the Chantry tale of "Mages once enslaved the world via Tevinter until Andraste overthrew them, and now we guard mages to keep them from doing it again," holds little water for an elf who thinks of how their people were all enslaved by Tevinter, regardless of magical ability, yet mage elves are punished for it anyway. Also how elves went from being enslaved by Tevinter to subjugated by Andrastian humans after the humans took back the Dales). You also have a true blank slate background since nothing is ever said about your family, so you can imagine any background you want.

 

To me, Surana has so much more to offer this game, that a mere mention of Amell next game can't compete.

[straykat]

So? Why play a character for a 50-70+ hour playthrough just because a few characters mention him/her once or twice in the next game?

 

For this game (the one we're actually playing these characters with) I think Surana has the potential to make for a much more rich, textured, layered roleplay experience.

 

For Surana: you're not just a mage, you're also an elf. You don't just get grief for your magic, you also get grief for being an elf. You have extra magic and mana since elves have a natural affinity for magic. You have a personal connection to the beloved Arcane Warrior specialization because it's a lost art from your people. Your people have their own historical and cultural views of magic that are available to study in the Circle library, yet aren't acknowledged by human-centered Chantry officials in the game. Your people have their own history with Tevinter that the Chantry rarely acknowledge. (I.e. the Chantry tale of "Mages once enslaved the world via Tevinter until Andraste overthrew them, and now we guard mages to keep them from doing it again," holds little water for an elf who thinks of how their people were all enslaved by Tevinter, regardless of magical ability, yet mage elves are punished for it anyway. Also how elves went from being enslaved by Tevinter to subjugated by Andrastian humans after the humans took back the Dales). You also have a true blank slate background since nothing is ever said about your family, so you can imagine any background you want.

 

To me, Surana has so much more to offer this game, that a mere mention of Amell next game can't compete.

 

I like this post.

 

Especially since your avatar is the elf from the old launcher

[Ghost Gal]

I like this post.

 

Especially since your avatar is the elf from the old launcher

 

Thanks. 

 

Ha ha, yeah.

[straykat]

There isn't much talk about Surana actually, so it's nice to see.

[DebatableBubble]

Old but....

Amell because humans rule, elves get crushed underfoot where they belong.

[straykat]

Old but....

Amell because humans rule, elves get crushed underfoot where they belong.

 

I might support you if you were talking about DAI.

 

But not DAO. They all have good stories.

[themikefest]

So? Why play a character for a 50-70+ hour playthrough just because a few characters mention him/her once or twice in the next game?

Simple. I prefer playing as a human vs an elf.

[Patchwork]

What I like about Surana is that they're a blank slate character.

 

Mine for instance is from the Highever Alienage, which is apparently worse than the one in Denerim, her memories plus what the other elven mages say about their backgrounds makes her grateful to be in the Circle. She's well fed, clothed and getting an education. She's a huge nerd so that last one is very important to her, Duncan has to literally drag her away from the Circle. The whole adventuring thing doesn't come naturally but discovering pieces of history like Haven/the Temple of Secret Ashes and the mysteries in the Deep Roads make sleeping in a tent and a lack of a library almost worth it. 

 

There's nothing new about the people in charge being abusive and having your movements restricted to an Alienage elf so to me Surana was a way of playing a Circle mage who's happy to be in the Circle without making her super religious.

[GoldenGail3]

What I like about Surana is that they're a blank slate character.
 
Mine for instance is from the Highever Alienage, which is apparently worse than the one in Denerim, her memories plus what the other elven mages say about their backgrounds makes her grateful to be in the Circle. She's well fed, clothed and getting an education. She's a huge nerd so that last one is very important to her, Duncan has to literally drag her away from the Circle. The whole adventuring thing doesn't come naturally but discovering pieces of history like Haven/the Temple of Secret Ashes and the mysteries in the Deep Roads make sleeping in a tent and a lack of a library almost worth it. 
 
There's nothing new about the people in charge being abusive and having your movements restricted to an Alienage elf so to me Surana was a way of playing a Circle mage who's happy to be in the Circle without making her super religious.

My Amell always wanted an adventure and she was a nerd...

[Patchwork]

My Amell always wanted an adventure and she was a nerd...

 

 

...okay? 

 

Good for her.

 

  

[Dai Grepher]

One thing going against an Amell is that he or she should resemble the Hawkes, in my opinion. This could conflict with DA2 if they look too different. My Amell just happened to look like Gamlen somewhat though. They had the same eye shape and color. So it actually worked out well for me.

But with a Surana, you can make him or her look however you want them to without worry of conflicting with any other characters.

Also, Surana is sort of like the "secret" player character of the game.

[straykat]

Also, Surana is sort of like the "secret" player character of the game.

 

What do you mean by that?

[Dai Grepher]

That it's easy to overlook. If you choose human and then warrior or rogue, you get the noble option only. If you choose mage, you get the circle option only. If you choose elf and then warrior or rogue, you get city elf and dalish as options. If you choose elf and mage, you get the circle.

The human mage origin and the city elf and dalish origins sort of overshadow the elf circle mage. Some people don't even see the option at all. Others see it but wonder what's the point. A lot of people forget about the elven circle mage when talking about the list of possible Heroes.

[straykat]

That it's easy to overlook. If you choose human and then warrior or rogue, you get the noble option only. If you choose mage, you get the circle option only. If you choose elf and then warrior or rogue, you get city elf and dalish as options. If you choose elf and mage, you get the circle.

The human mage origin and the city elf and dalish origins sort of overshadow the elf circle mage. Some people don't even see the option at all. Others see it but wonder what's the point. A lot of people forget about the elven circle mage when talking about the list of possible Heroes.

 

Hmm, I guess I see what you mean. The way class selection is laid out is a little funky.

[GoldenGail3]

...okay? 
 
Good for her.
 

Well, I have played a Surana before; and she was most likely a exact match to yours, a awkward, clunky nerd who took going out of the Circle harshly.

[straykat]

My Inquisitor ideas are pretty nerdy... both the mage and rogue.

[Lazarillo]

I like them both for different reasons, although on a personal level, Surana ends up often being nearly identical in personality to my Dalish Warden, while my standard Amell perspective is a little bit more distinct.

[GoldenGail3]

I like them both for different reasons, although on a personal level, Surana ends up often being nearly identical in personality to my Dalish Warden, while my standard Amell perspective is a little bit more distinct.

Yeah, I would understand. To me, Surana is an unknown variable, and as such I don't really know how to get around that, whilst an Amell has at least some backstory to her, enough so that I can build something out of her... I mean, I guess you can agrue that being an unknown is grand and all, but alas, I pefer a Amell as my preference despite some people deeming it 'cliche' and 'boring' it was my first Orign I have ever played so I feel a special bond to Amell, not because of her relation to Hawke (who I could care less about, and that relation even turned me slightly off of Amell, which made way for me to make my full way through Female Warrior Cousland/Alistair Queen and King thing I had, alongside with my canon Hawke as well).

[Bayonet Hipshot]

That's my main problem too.

 

However, somehow it sits better with me with a non-mage Hawke. Like perhaps part of their strength comes from being inspired by this far off relative, and it helps them appreciate Bethany even more.

 

I am not a big fan of my extended family, thanks to the actions of the family elders / my parents' generation, we are quite distant from each other and don't really feel that much of a connection with one another. That's why I am not a big fan of the Amell-Hawke relation, I am not a big fan of my cousins.
 

[HeliosDisciple]

I pretty much never play as a human in a game that gives me the option.

[jlb524]

I prefer Amell for the back story. The Surana origin is too blank slate for my tastes. I also find the Amell family story interesting in general (family destroyed by magic but gets to rise to importance again).

The Warden also feels like the most isolated of the protagonists so far and I like to feel she has some connection to what's going on outside of DA:O. The Amell-Hawke link helps out there since DA2 can then be seen as fleshing out the Warden's history a bit more.

I think Surana is best if you want the most freedom in creating a past history for your character (it's the best for that compared to all the Origins). It fits more with the Arcane Warrior spec if you go that route. Plus, you aren't related to Gamlen nor share his surname.

[Idun]

I'm playing with a Surana now and he's a blood mage. He's a pragmatic one and easily to talk into bad decisions (he WAS friends with Jowan, after all). He sacrificed Isolde because **** that whiny Orlesian ****** and desecrated the Ashes because Zevran liked the idea. 

[The Ascendant]

I'm replaying Origins and I am still unsure which one to play as. Elf has better stats, but Human has bigger story impact.

[Illegitimus]

Who's better and why?

 

I'm currently trying to play Origins 6 times, once for each of the origins, as I've never actually gone through the entire game with anything other than female human mage - I want to see exactly how much of an effect these other origins have! Also, it would be nice to have some other imports to use for DA2/DAI, not to mention actually getting to play Awakening (my only Warden sacrificed herself so I never played it)! The only thing is, I'm stuck choosing between Amell and Surana for the mage opening! So, I'm looking for some other opinions on which character is more interesting! I'll be playing female, if that matters.

 

Pro-Amell

- Is my original "canon" so feels "right"

- Already have 2 Elves, but only 1 other human

- I've heard some of the Elf-specific dialogue doesn't quite make sense eg. Leiliana asks you about the alienage when you were raised in the tower

 

Most mages weren't born in the tower.  Particularly not the elves since there's no such thing as a half-breed elf.  So your elf probably does remember an alienage from childhood.  

[HeliosDisciple]

She does ask you about the alienage, but you can reply you don't remember life before the Tower.