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[JoJo94]

So guys I know i'm late but after playing through Trespasser and making my mind up about Solas I had an idea..
Didn't see this topic before but if it exists sorry beforehand.
Sooo.. If the Inquisitor drinks from the well she is bound to Mythal which gives her a lot of power about us which Flemeth clearly shows us at the end of the game in stopping our attack.
Solas (and Abelas) warned us a lot about drinking from the well and since he must know she must have a LOT of power over us. He refused to drink from it as well which is very interesting considering the wealth of knowledge it contains and that he calls Mythal a "friend" . But it's also plausible considering the old gods CAN be murdered (if not thoroughly) and she could use him to her own ends once he regained the power he lost in his long slumber.
BUT at the end of the game either Solas kills her or Mythal gives her essence to him. So Solas must have her powers now or they are joined in one body? It's very interesting and I really want to know what you think about this!!
Could Solas have that power over us now? Are we actually bound to Solas? (That guy who wants to destroy our whole world)
Would he use us in his fight or force us to stop our fight against him? Will he use it if we romanced him? If so this could be a huge twist in the next game and would probably have MAJOR consequences. But then those consequences wouldn't be there for those who didn't drink from the well which would mean two different story lines and I don't know if that's plausible.
So what do you think?

[Xerrai]

It is possible that her control of the well transferred into Solas when he absorbed her essence, but Abelas was pretty clear it is bound, not (just) by Mythal's energy, but specifically to the 'Will of Mythal'. If she exists in any form (even inside Solas) it is possible that her 'will' still exists to a degree that it is entirely separate from Solas's own will. If that is indeed the case, then Solas has absolutely no bearing on the Well of Sorrows at all aside from maybe extra knowledge.

 

However, if that is not true, then Solas may have gained her 'will' as well. Thus, he may be able to use the compulsion of the well of sorrows on Morrigan or the Inquisitor. But it is important to remember that Solas has strong feelings on the subject--he absolutely ahores taking away freedom of choice from others (even from 'bad' people) and is utterly opposed to anything that even remotely resembles slavery. So while he could potentially have the power, he would try his damnest to never ever use it.

But a resource is a resource, and if the situation is dire enough he may use it even though it appalls him. (But i'm betting my bottom dollar that he would try to orchestrate things so that is never necessary--especially if he romance the Inquisitor).

[KaiserShep]

I assumed that the geas is like a credit card account, and when Bank of Fen'Harel took over Flemeth Mutual, it just transfers over.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I doubt we have seen the last of Flemeth, so I think it is still her the person who drinks would be bound to. 

[KaiserShep]

I really don't want Flemeth to return, if only because seeing her body seem to wither instantaneously in Solas' arms would suddenly be a meaningless scene. It was one thing when she escaped death unbeknownst to the Warden, but seeing her witchy mojo get siphoned out of her by wolfy should kind of seal the deal this time. 

[Chiramu]

I don't think you would be bound to anyone if Mythal is dead; though Flemeth was only a part of Mythal. The real Mythal would probably still be stuck in the Fade with the rest of the "Gods". Mythal wouldn't have been able to escape the prison Solas set in place so I don't think she is dead at all. Don't know why you would want to be bound to her imo though .

[kimgoold]

I don't think he absorbed Mythal but the combined powers of mage Flemmeth and Mythal, otherwise why the glowing cloud Flemmythal was sending into the Eluvian just prior to Solas's ambush? Flemmythal is far to canny to be brought down so easily. I believe she sacrificed Flemmeth's body to be absorbed by Morrigan or Kieran in a later DA, the entire history of the witch of the wilds is that Mythal changes hosts when the current body gets to old anyway.

 

If anything I believe the inquisitor (if drank) is bound to whoever has Mythal now. Just not Solas.

[Nefla]

I don't see it mattering unless we play as the inquisitor again. I mean I guess at the end of DA4 Solas could summon inquisitors who drank from the well and make them attack the new protagonist which would of course end in the inquisitor's death.

[Dai Grepher]

There is no evidence that Solas absorbed anything from Flemeth. It is also possible that Flemeth released the Inquisitor from the compulsion after the meeting, though the knowledge stays. It is also possible that Solas goes to Flemeth in order to break Mythal's compulsion over whoever it was placed on, even Morrigan.

 

I think Solas may have broken the compulsion. Firstly, so that the one who drank cannot be used against him (especially a romanced Levellan female). Secondly, to release all the other elvhen who are bound to Mythal, such as Abelas. Solas was always one to free others from their bindings. Thirdly, so that BioWare doesn't have to account for it in the next game.

 

Of course it's also possible that Mythal herself still holds power over the one who drank. It looked like that was her spirit that rose from the Well of Sorrows and floated into the eluvian.

[Bardox9]

Considering her overly cautious nature, I doubt we have seen the last of Flemeth. Who knows how many of those DA2 necklace things are floating around waiting for the wind to whisper to an elf or whatever. Nor do I don't think Solas absorbs Mythal. Not exactly. More like the raw power within Flemeth to super charge himself. The tiny piece of Mythal that Flemeth carries is not the source of Flemeth's power. She is inherently a powerful mage who is armed with the knowledge of an ancient elven goddess. If Solas had tried to take Mythal into himself, considering their disproportionate levels of power, he would have no way of knowing if she would not become the dominant one. A far more likely out come of such a move considering she is the far more experienced "body hopper".

 

Could be wrong, but I don't think Solas can control you like Flemeth could.

[BraveVesperia]

I really don't want Flemeth to return, if only because seeing her body seem to wither instantaneously in Solas' arms would suddenly be a meaningless scene. It was one thing when she escaped death unbeknownst to the Warden, but seeing her witchy mojo get siphoned out of her by wolfy should kind of seal the deal this time. 

What if she returned in a different way... like as a spirit we can interact with in the Fade? It sounds like that's how Mythal came to Flemeth in the first place. Maybe she could return there?

[KaiserShep]

There is no evidence that Solas absorbed anything from Flemeth.

 

What?

 

 

There is no concrete proof that Solas actually absorbed anything from Flemeth, but this scene at least gives reason to believe that Solas took something from her. It's not like all those showy lights and stuff are there because he's happy to see her. 

[KaiserShep]

What if she returned in a different way... like as a spirit we can interact with in the Fade? It sounds like that's how Mythal came to Flemeth in the first place. Maybe she could return there?

 

That's a possibility, but I don't want the writers to run Flemeth into the ground by having a constant presence. So far they haven't done that, but I'm fond of this being her actual end, as if she was sacrificed so Solas can move forward. 

[Big I]

It's possible, but I doubt it. Flemeth's plan, based on stuff datamined from the Solas and Mythal scene, is

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for Morrigan take over as her successor. It's probably why OGB Kieran, if asked who his mother is, calls her the Inheritor.

That stuff you see her sending into the mirror before Solas gets there is to make sure that plan still happens, or at least that was the intention when they wrote that scene. Things change a lot in development. It seems likely that if anyone has control over the Inquisitor it will be

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Morrigan, eventually.

 

Something else to keep in mind is that orignally the Inquisitor taming a dragon wasn't in the game. They added it in after one of the artists drew some concept art for it and decided it would be a cool addition. That probably means that originally the Inquisitor drinking from the well wasn't in the story. If we assume that the DA metaplot (i.e. who the Evanuris are, what the Dread Wolf plans etc) has been set in broadstrokes since DA:O, which is what the devs have hinted at, then the geas on the Inquisitor wasn't in it and so it probably won't matter that much going forward.

[Dai Grepher]

There is no concrete proof that Solas actually absorbed anything from Flemeth, but this scene at least gives reason to believe that Solas took something from her. It's not like all those showy lights and stuff are there because he's happy to see her. 

 

Solas makes his own spirit do something to Flemeth, she falls over, and all the blue light that emanates from Flemeth goes into the eluvian, not to Solas. Then Solas looks up with his eyes glowing. But since he was one of the evanuris (sans the title), it is likely that he was simply manifesting his own power.

 

Most likely, Solas was just releasing the fragment of Mythal that Flemeth had.

[9TailsFox]

I assumed that the geas is like a credit card account, and when Bank of Fen'Harel took over Flemeth Mutual, it just transfers over.  

It look like Flemeth give Solas only all money. Morrigan got "Bank Mythal".

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Who cares?

The Inquisitor as well as the Inquisition are gone so i have no problem in being "the slave of Mythal" since my Inquisitor is retired and was also a drunk dwarf (that's why i drink from the well!)

I doubt that Mythal want to have anything to do with my ex  and maimed Inquisitor and Bioware will probably use a new protagonist for the next game.

I stole Morrigan's heritage?

That was fun.

[Bardox9]

One more reason I don't think Solas would be able to control the Inquisitor via Well of Sorrows choke chain, that energy that is seen flowing out of Flemeth into the Eluvian as Solas approaches is very likely Mythal herself. Or at least what's left of her. An over sized Wisp really. Still, the witch of the wilds may yet see another day. Hardly the first time we've seen her die. Always a plan...

[almasy87]

A few interesting points have been raised here that I had not thought about..

1- the possibility that Flemeth sent away Mythal's essence before Solas' arrived and so whoever is is that now is going to carry Mythal, will control the Inquisitor, whether that will be Kieran or Morrigan..

2- the possibility that Solas came to "break the compulsion" because he did not want Mythal to have a pawn in her hands to use against him (maybe).

3- the possibility that actually Solas didn't take anything from Flemeth, and that he was just hiding that (little) power he had left until then, and that Flemeth, knowing he would come to seek more power (?) decided to destroy her own old body sending all that was left into the Eluvian so Solas wouldn't get anything..

They are all quite interesting to think about Unfortunately we will never know until someone from Bioware confirms it or the next game comes out..
 

I don't think you would be bound to anyone if Mythal is dead; though Flemeth was only a part of Mythal. The real Mythal would probably still be stuck in the Fade with the rest of the "Gods". Mythal wouldn't have been able to escape the prison Solas set in place so I don't think she is dead at all. Don't know why you would want to be bound to her imo though .

In theory yes, Mythal, being an Evanuri, should also be trapped, but Solas says the Evanuris "killed" Mythal (whatever that means since we know they don't die easily), so possibly she was already "dead/unconscious" when he trapped the others, or it was never his plan to also trap her.. But then again now they seem to have different goals.. He wants to bring down the veil (destroying the world), and she wants.. what exactly? Permanently killing the Evanuris for temporarily killing her? Cause what other revenge could she possibly want? Who knows.

 

[Gervaise]

Another interesting thought is that if you went back to the ancient grove and summoned Mythal again with the ritual, who would turn up?    It is something that I thought my Lavellan might do.   Unlike Abelas and Solas, Mythal definitely acknowledged him as one of the People.   Solas says that Mythal cared for and protected her people.   She also hinted that the reason she never did more for the modern elves was that she might end up doing too much (You don't know what you ask).    So having been informed by Solas he intends destroying the current world and the modern elves along with it, Lavellan thought they would go back to the grove and ask Mythal for her advice on the matter.   Of course may be no one would turn up but it would be very revealing if someone did.

[CardButton]

It's certainly possible ... guess we'll have to wait and see.  As to whether he would ever use such a power against the Inquisitor considering his rather extreme opinions on slavery and self-determination is another matter.  How much of his ideals would he be willing to sacrifice if he were ever pushed too far into a corner?      

[Midnight Bliss]

I'm sure the Solamancers would love to be bound by Solas so, for their sake, hopefully?

[Ghost Gal]

It's possible.

 

I actually almost hope it does because my Inquisitor Lavellan drank from the Well and romanced Solas. If a situation ever arose where Solas felt backed into a corner and/or desperate enough that he felt he had to use the power of the Well (which goes against everything he believes regarding slavery and inhibiting other living beings' free will), I'd love it if he was forced to use it on the woman he loved.

 

IMAGINE THE DRAMA!

 

(You might think it's in my best interest that he not have that power. It is. But I've long given up expecting any of my characters' lives to be smooth sailing. If the game's gonna put them through the ringer anyway, I want to cash in on the most emotional intensity, drama, and heartbreak possible. Go for broke!)