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[Riven326]

   Because I am trying to understand why I have a problem finishing this game. It is a forum I thought where people could ask, questions or voice there opinions, and I respect yours, but that did sort of seem like a very rude comment.

 

   I don't think I have ever said i did not enjoy the game,  I do, that is why I keep getting the urge to replay it, and try to reach the end.

 

  I am truly sorry if I offended you in any way.

I didn't finish it either because I didn't find it entertaining. Sometimes it's just that simple.

[taglag]

   I am such a dummy. I think I finally realized why I feel so disconnected playing this version of Dragon age.

 

This entire game is based off a DLC, that I never owned, it has nothing to do with DA2. I know My light was not on, I was out to lunch.. .

 

It just never dawned on me when they pulled this Corypheus Person up, he seemed like the person from awakening, so I figured it was just a mess up or something, or my memory was weak ( which is sort of normal ), and this was some off the wall character I killed in DA2 and did not remember.

 

   Yes I am sure everyone else knew, and I am only person that avoids reading to much about a game, and never see's things like this

 

I know when ever I was playing this game, I would keep wondering where in DA2 did I see this Character...

 

   It may not be the Whole reason i felt disjointed playing this game, But i think it contributed, it would be one of those whats this all about things in the back of my mind all the time.

 

   Seems sort of sleazy to base a next stage of Dragon age totally off a DLC, that many like me never would buy, and would know nothing about, unless they expected everyone to rush out, and buy there legacy DLC, just so they could understand DAI while playing it... I feel Cheated somehow...  

[AlanC9]

your journal say's seek a combat trainer at the war table Which does not exist, so you start grabbing any mission hoping to find the right one, which waste's time.

I don't quite see what your problem was with this part. What were you looking for that didn't exist?

But yeah, crafting stuff in two different places is confusing. KE is worse than some of the other specs since the thing you're crafting sounds like it's a standard item.

[bladenicholas]

If the terrible level design make you unwilling to finish the late game, I guess you should try to buy last DLC Trespsser,  the new trial function somehow improve the terrible level design, and you will found lately game play quite instrestiong if you choose equipment wisly(don't intentionly pursuit utimate equipments)

[AlanC9]

Seems sort of sleazy to base a next stage of Dragon age totally off a DLC, that many like me never would buy, and would know nothing about, unless they expected everyone to rush out, and buy there legacy DLC, just so they could understand DAI while playing it... I feel Cheated somehow... :huh:

I never bought that DLC myself, so I only heard about Corypheus from forum chatter. I don't see the problem. It's better for RP if you haven't played the DLC. Your Inquisitor's never heard of Corypheus either, so you find out about him the same way your PC finds out about him.

How'd you hear that he was from DA2 without hearing that he was from the DLC, anyway?

[Batatisa]

   I am such a dummy. I think I finally realized why I feel so disconnected playing this version of Dragon age.

 

[...]

 

I can see how that "I've seen this guy before" sensation can be annoying, and even immersion breaking if it really gets on you. But as someone who played DAI without a single information about the previous games I can attest that they did a good job in presenting the character and his background to people who didn't know Corypheus yet.

 

 

  Okay, I find another thing I had forgotten that I remember turned me off last time, and after nine months I had forgotten all about it. There are some other Quest similar to this, but this one takes the prize for me.

 

your journal say's seek a combat trainer at the war table Which does not exist, so you start grabbing any mission hoping to find the right one, which waste's time.

Spoiler

What you really need is this, Specializations for the Inquisitor, which only way I could find out was using the web...Grrrr!

Now I want Knights enchanter

Okay, so I have the mats.. but no real clue here ? Hummm !

Well Okay so I need to craft it I guess..

But I do not find a Schematic.. So I search around and close to Vivienne I find some kind of book.

 Darn still no Schematic at the crafting table.

Unfortunately now I have to go back to the web, because I am tired of pulling hair on this one.

 

   Well low, and behold, For some reason, you can make it at the Requisition bench. Not once did I find or see a clue to this, if there is one, it is not because I did not really try to find it.. A very disturbing quest.

  What really ticks me off, is I had to do all this last time to, I just did not remember all this stuff from nine months ago, and so in order to get this done I spend over and hour or more, surfing, and not playing the game.. This one a very badly designed quest.

   Actually it is more of a job than a game quest.. Grrr! I wish they could at least get some descriptive alignment with the Journal, and what you see on the war table, so darn cryptic, and for my feeble mind, very bothersome...   

 

 

  Oh and thank you everyone, I am trying to just mostly stay on the main quest, and this is helping.

 

I feel your pain x-x

I basically gave up on those things and followed a step-by-step tutorial. It is my policy now: if something is giving me a headache for almost an hour, internet is it.

 

Just be careful to don't fall in the other side of the ladder, if you do nothing but the main quests you may have trouble getting power/influence. Although it is quite easy to solve.

[taglag]

I never bought that DLC myself, so I only heard about Corypheus from forum chatter. I don't see the problem. It's better for RP if you haven't played the DLC. Your Inquisitor's never heard of Corypheus either, so you find out about him the same way your PC finds out about him.

 

I guess if you look at it from that prospective it is sort of okay, but they keep mentioning Hawk, whom I played many times through DA2, and enjoyed. So I keep feeling that it was Odd that I did not know whom this character was. This still bothers me, mostly because of what i just typed.

How'd you hear that he was from DA2 without hearing that he was from the DLC, anyway?

 

  Because they kept telling me Hawk killed Him, and I just did not remember that at all

[taglag]

I can see how that "I've seen this guy before" sensation can be annoying, and even immersion breaking if it really gets on you. But as someone who played DAI without a single information about the previous games I can attest that they did a good job in presenting the character and his background to people who didn't know Corypheus yet.

 

I Guess if you except that and have played as Hawk in DA2 many times, and are okay with having amnesia, about a character that you killed, but don't remember it. Its okay, but it bothers me terribly for some reason.

 

 

I feel your pain x-x

I basically gave up on those things and followed a step-by-step tutorial. It is my policy now: if something is giving me a headache for almost an hour, internet is it.

 

Just be careful to don't fall in the other side of the ladder, if you do nothing but the main quests you may have trouble getting power/influence. Although it is quite easy to solve.

 

   Its probably just me, but I always feel that if I have to resort to a walk-through for any RPG. [ I understand having trouble with a boss battle a little but even that should be made clear as to how to beat It in the game I think. ] I think it is very poor design, or quality, on the game makers part.

 

   I am not speaking about once in a while looking for help, but when you have to step by step use a walk-through to get through and entire mission, as I have to in "Wicked eye's, and Wicked hearts" [ Of which the poor map location finding, and timer totally muck up for me ] Or to find out how to get one of the more important skill in the game as in "Specializations for the Inquisitor", This is troubling to me.

 

   But I very much understand frustration, and in this game you are probably right, and one should keep a walk-through open on there desk top at all times

 

At least until they have beaten the game, a few times, which I have not yet.... Grrr!

 

But thank you very much, you make some really good points

[Deanna Troy]

Not playing Legacy is an unforgiveable sin. The 2nd best DLC almost as good as Trespasser and there Corypheus is actually in interesting fight. To be honest I didn't like back then, but when compared to DAI that thing is a masterpiece of godlike proportions.

[taglag]

Not playing Legacy is an unforgiveable sin. The 2nd best DLC almost as good as Trespasser and there Corypheus is actually in interesting fight. To be honest I didn't like back then, but when compared to DAI that thing is a masterpiece of godlike proportions.

  I don't doubt that you may be right, as to how good the DLC was. I personally don't know.

 

   But I also have no doubt that Bioware considered that using a DLC boss, which many people had never seen from DA2. would of course prompt many to to go out and Buy this DLC, there by making even more profit from and old game, while raking in the money from there new title.

 

It just seems to much like a set up to me. A good idea from the bean counters point of view at Bioware, but I think a slap in the face to the fan's of the game to base and entire new version of the Dragon age series on a DLC character.

 

   I mean that is just my feelings on it, but it does make me think less of Bioware because of it. And it troubles me while playing the game, but now I doubt I will ever get that DLC, as a matter of principal.

[Amne YA]

i have the same issue as OP . i had the game on day 1  but never finished it until today .
but after so many half playthrought i have a race/classe comnot that help me find some fun in the game .
now i went back to play DA origins trying to do a marathon going from origin to  awakning to da2 to da inq . 

[AlanC9]

I never bought that DLC myself, so I only heard about Corypheus from forum chatter. I don't see the problem. It's better for RP if you haven't played the DLC. Your Inquisitor's never heard of Corypheus either, so you find out about him the same way your PC finds out about him.

I guess if you look at it from that prospective it is sort of okay, but they keep mentioning Hawk, whom I played many times through DA2, and enjoyed. So I keep feeling that it was Odd that I did not know whom this character was. This still bothers me, mostly because of what i just typed.
How'd you hear that he was from DA2 without hearing that he was from the DLC, anyway?

Because they kept telling me Hawk killed Him, and I just did not remember that at all

OK, yeah, that makes sense. I guess they assumed that everyone who had played DA2 would use the Keep and look at the tiles for the DLCs even if they hadn't played them.

Edit: no, I'm wrong about that. The Keep doesn't mention Cory by name. I'll have to try playing through Varric's narration.

[taglag]

   I know is speaking to the wind, but I think if they were going to base the entire game off a character from a DLC, and not the main game that they should have offered the Legacy DLC with the game.

 

   People who bought the game, and had played DA2 would at least not be so left out in the dark. I really think that would have been the best Option in this case, and the most considerate.

 

    It sets a feeling of, being a second class fan, sense only the elite who bought all the DLCs were truly considered in the game making, and all others were of no concern.

[drummerchick]

   I know is speaking to the wind, but I think if they were going to base the entire game off a character from a DLC, and not the main game that they should have offered the Legacy DLC with the game.

 

   People who bought the game, and had played DA2 would at least not be so left out in the dark. I really think that would have been the best Option in this case, and the most considerate.

 

    It sets a feeling of, being a second class fan, sense only the elite who bought all the DLCs were truly considered in the game making, and all others were of no concern.

I never played any dlcs for Origins or DA2, and probably never will. I've also played Inquisition with default world state and found that all the information I need is in the game itself.
I didn't need to play Legacy to get chills when

Spoiler

Cory appeared in Haven.

I didn't actually need to play the first 2 games to get involved in the lore of Inquisition.

All the information is provided, specifically so that new players can enjoy the game without needing to have played the previous.
They didn't base an entire new game off a dlc character. They gave fans who played Legacy a sneak peak at the next game's antagonist. The novels are the same way. You don't need to read them to understand the game. 

I'm sorry you feel left out in the dark, but maybe you are somehow missing the in-game information? Are you by chance skipping through cut-scenes?

[Sylvius the Mad]

If you don't enjoy playing, stop.

I did that with DA2. I hated DA2, so I didn't finish it. That didn't diminish my enjoyment of DAI at all (I love DAI)

[Sylvius the Mad]

I didn't need to play Legacy to get chills when

Spoiler

Cory appeared in Haven.

Given my dislike of DA2 in general, and Legacy in particular, I probably would have enjoyed that moment more if I hadn't played the earlier content.

[drummerchick]

Given my dislike of DA2 in general, and Legacy in particular, I probably would have enjoyed that moment more if I hadn't played the earlier content.

I hadn't played Awakening before DA2, so at the time, I didn't understand all the discontent surrounding Anders. He wasn't my cuppa, but I didn't get what the big deal with him was.
Maybe ignorance really is bliss. lol 

[Sylvius the Mad]

I hadn't played Awakening before DA2, so at the time, I didn't understand all the discontent surrounding Anders. He wasn't my cuppa, but I didn't get what the big deal with him was.
Maybe ignorance really is bliss. lol

Same here.

I'm actually doing another DAO playthrough now just so I can see Awakening. Once I know what happens there, I can answer the questions in the Keep more effectively.

And I've got nothing better to do until Fallout 4's GECK comes out.

[taglag]

  I respect your Opinions.

 

I am going to try and finish.

 

But My Opinion stands. I think if you are going to make a game that is a sequel to another game, you should use items or characters from the original game. ( Not characters from a DLC that many have never played or have any desire to play )

 

  It just detaches me from the the whole concept, and from the first encounter with the Main boss of this I feel like, "what game am I playing" I don't remember this person, or thing, but everyone else from DA2 does..

 

  It does not make it a bad game, but it does flip up all kinds of, what game is this in my head. I was very happy with my play through of  DAO,DAA, and DA2. But suddenly It's like I never played DA2, because I don't even know who this character is, but every body Else does.

 

  I hope this does not become a trend with all game makers, and suddenly every sequel to a game will now be based on DLCs that I never played.

 

   But no It does not make me Hate the game, but it is another reason why I think I feel displaced, a lot, and have been unable to finish the game, which is what I have been trying to determine in this thread.

 

    I have been a dragon age fan ever sense I first played DAO, so when something is really out of place it bothers me, and having a sequel, that use's Characters from a DLC instead of the Original game is very troublesome to me.

 

   I am enjoying the game, it is not a matter of dislike, but I do see this, as just one more reason why finishing the game begins to seem pointless towards the latter part of the game.

[AlanC9]

Given my dislike of DA2 in general, and Legacy in particular, I probably would have enjoyed that moment more if I hadn't played the earlier content.

What was particularly wrong with Legacy? I've heard very bad things about the final battle. Or is it the railroading?

[AlanC9]

But My Opinion stands. I think if you are going to make a game that is a sequel to another game, you should use items or characters from the original game. ( Not characters from a DLC that many have never played or have any desire to play )

How would Bio avoid this? Never introduce any interesting character in a DLC? That's awfully limiting for the design of the DLCs, isn't it? Unless they limited the main game by always leaving something unfinished for the DLCs, but I'm not sure that would be any better for you. (In some sense DAI does do the latter, but we can't discuss this without massive spoilers.)
 

  It just detaches me from the the whole concept, and from the first encounter with the Main boss of this I feel like, "what game am I playing" I don't remember this person, or thing, but everyone else from DA2 does..

Again, why should you remember him? You are not playing somebody who remembers him.

[Riven326]

What was particularly wrong with Legacy? I've heard very bad things about the final battle. Or is it the railroading?

I thought Legacy was one of the better aspects of DA2 despite it being sold separately.

[taglag]

How would Bio avoid this? Never introduce any interesting character in a DLC? That's awfully limiting for the design of the DLCs, isn't it? Unless they limited the main game by always leaving something unfinished for the DLCs, but I'm not sure that would be any better for you. (In some sense DAI does do the latter, but we can't discuss this without massive spoilers.)
 

Again, why should you remember him? You are not playing somebody who remembers him.

 

 

   Like I said   "I hope this does not become a trend with all game makers, and suddenly every sequel to a game will now be based on DLCs that I never played. "

 

I played DA2 if he was in DA2 I should have remembered him. This was based off a DLC, not DA2, and that is what throws me such a curve.

 

   But It is just and opinion, I have one, you have one, but I think it was wrong, you think it was right, We can agree to disagree I guess.

 

EDIT: And my statement had nothing to do with what is in a DLC, which is payed for added content after the game has been released. It can have anything it wants in it. A sequel to the game should I think relate to the original content. Not Content that possibly over half of the players have never seen.

[Marshal Moriarty]

Legacy is good, but if you think its going to enhance DAI's story at all then you are mistaken. Corypheus plays a very, very small role (although frankly his scene is better than any of the ones he has in DAI). But none of it is in any way essential to understanding DAI, nor it give any hints as to what will happen in DAI. The only thing it does do is establish the strong connection between him and the Hawke family bloodline, destined to oppose each other as many characters point out.

 

Until DAI when that is no longer the case. Because... Bioware says so.

 

Seriously, save yourself the bother. Bioware are awful at continuity and they always have been. You should treat each game as its own thing, try to be satisfied with the cosmetic changes your choices make, and not expect too much else. Expecting anything more than that will always end in disappointment,

[AlanC9]

Like I said "I hope this does not become a trend with all game makers, and suddenly every sequel to a game will now be based on DLCs that I never played. "

I played DA2 if he was in DA2 I should have remembered him. This was based off a DLC, not DA2, and that is what throws me such a curve.

My point was that this doesn't matter for playing DAI. Your PC knows everything he would know in DAI. You know everything you need to know to play DAI. You were thrown a curve, perhaps, but it's a curve about what happened to Hawke, not anything related to DAI.

Remember, over half of the people playing DAI won't have even played DA2, let alone any DA2 DLC, based on Bio tracking data. Bio never expected that more than maybe 15-20% of players would have played Legacy. And that's assuming that DAI wasn't a hit.

EDIT: And my statement had nothing to do with what is in a DLC, which is payed for added content after the game has been released. It can have anything it wants in it. A sequel to the game should I think relate to the original content. Not Content that possibly over half of the players have never seen.

Of course it relates to the content of the DLCs. You're asking them to not use anything from the DLCs in sequels. If they have an idea for a character that could be used past the current DLC, you're asking them not to use that idea.