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[Sylvius the Mad]

What was particularly wrong with Legacy? I've heard very bad things about the final battle. Or is it the railroading?

The railroading awful.  The encounter design was especially gamey, even before the final battle (which makes no sense at all except as videogame content).  The expanded use of auto-dialogue (Legacy introduced the non-cinematic conversations that we see in DAI, but they weren't interactive - Hawke would just chime in on his own).

 

Plus, BioWare's own comments about how they'd addressed the waved combat problem, except they'd done no such thing.  Legacy so annoyed me, I didn't even consider getting MotA.

[Sylvius the Mad]

My point was that this doesn't matter for playing DAI. Your PC knows everything he would know in DAI. You know everything you need to know to play DAI. You were thrown a curve, perhaps, but it's a curve about what happened to Hawke, not anything related to DAI.

It's like how you couldn't import your world state to Awakening with the Ultimate Sacrifice ending.

 

It's a problem with DAO's DLC content, as well, where the Keep forces your Warden to have completed both Witch Hunt and Awakening, but in terms of playing DAI there's no real problem, since you're not playing the Warden anymore.

 

I'm annoyed that the Keep doesn't allow you to have your character skip optional content (it wouldn't be that hard to have had Carver or Bethany do Legacy off-screen for the purposes of the Keep).

[taglag]

Legacy is good, but if you think its going to enhance DAI's story at all then you are mistaken. Corypheus plays a very, very small role (although frankly his scene is better than any of the ones he has in DAI). But none of it is in any way essential to understanding DAI, nor it give any hints as to what will happen in DAI. The only thing it does do is establish the strong connection between him and the Hawke family bloodline, destined to oppose each other as many characters point out.

 

Until DAI when that is no longer the case. Because... Bioware says so.

 

Seriously, save yourself the bother. Bioware are awful at continuity and they always have been. You should treat each game as its own thing, try to be satisfied with the cosmetic changes your choices make, and not expect too much else. Expecting anything more than that will always end in disappointment,

 

 

   I understand what your saying, but It will still bother me, mainly because of what you said " Bioware are awful at continuity and they always have been "

 

Which is very true, the Qunari, and there changes are a good example. but there are others, as well as this grabbing a Character from a DLC, and making this unknown to everyone who played the generic DA2 a house hold name in DAI.

 

   It will bother me, this stranger that I was suppose to have killed when I played Hawk, but I guess It is something I will have to get over.

 

 But I do still dislike it, and I stand on what i said   "I hope this does not become a trend with all game makers, and suddenly every sequel to a game will now be based on DLCs that I never played. "

 

  I mean it is a dis Orienting thing for me to have played DA2 so many time, and enjoyed it, and then see Hawk talking about killing something I never saw. it is just one of those things I have trouble getting over.

 

And it bothers me, I am sorry if no one else understands my feelings on this, but for me it is troubling.

[AlanC9]

@ Sylvius: I believe it's possible for Bethany to be killed in the endgame of DA2, though I imagine only a minuscule fraction of Hawkes went that route. But I suppose they could just have dealt with that the way ME3 dealt with Shepard getting killed in ME2.

@ taglag: I think we talked past each other a bit there. I agree that there's a problem with Bio assuming that my PC went through the events of a DLC if I didn't play that DLC. What if my PC wouldn't have agreed to do the mission? As Sylvius mentions, this was a problem with DA:A too. Extremely egregious there, since doing DA:A can flatly contradict what the Warden says he's going to do in the DA:O epilogue

Mass Effect got this right. While the events in the DLCs happen whether or not you played them, the PC is not present at those events unless you did play them.

[CronoDragoon]

Mass Effect got this right. While the events in the DLCs happen whether or not you played them, the PC is not present at those events unless you did play them.

Though this would require a totally different introduction for Hawke in DAI. He/she would probably be introduced earlier, when you're trying to accumulate influence to meet with either the mages or templars.

[Sylvius the Mad]

@ Sylvius: I believe it's possible for Bethany to be killed in the endgame of DA2, though I imagine only a minuscule fraction of Hawkes went that route. But I suppose they could just have dealt with that the way ME3 dealt with Shepard getting killed in ME2.

Or, Bethany (or Carver) could have completed Legacy between Acts 2&3.

Mass Effect got this right. While the events in the DLCs happen whether or not you played them, the PC is not present at those events unless you did play them.

That's the right way to do it.

[taglag]

  Well I finally finished it, I just rushed through to the end, left a lot of stuff undone, but I can at least say i managed to complete the main story.

 

Rather sad about leaving so much undone, but, at least many of the lessor things in the game can still be completed, even after the finish.

 

 I am still bothered by all the things I mentioned, but I can say I have seen the end of the main story.

[maRia0sp]

If you don't like the game you don't need to continue playing it , I know you might feel like it'd be a waste of money but that's not the most important thing , having fun is . However , if you insist on trying again I have an idea....uh it might sound weird but you could try making your character really rude or ugly or generally different from your previous characters so it's a little funnier 

[fchopin]

  Well I finally finished it, I just rushed through to the end, left a lot of stuff undone, but I can at least say i managed to complete the main story.

 

Rather sad about leaving so much undone, but, at least many of the lessor things in the game can still be completed, even after the finish.

 

 I am still bothered by all the things I mentioned, but I can say I have seen the end of the main story.

I have also finished the game only one time and had to force myself to just play the story to do this.

I have tried a few more times but have problems and stop, I have also got the DLC's to play them but I stop before I can do them.

[taglag]

   I have said many time in this thread that I do not hate the game. I have gotten more than my moneys worth in hours wasted playing it, and some of it quite a lot of fun.

I have also finished the game only one time and had to force myself to just play the story to do this.

I have tried a few more times but have problems and stop, I have also got the DLC's to play them but I stop before I can do them.

 

    I bought the game day one, at 70 buck's plus tax. I have no DLCs except the free one for the emporium.

 

  I am guessing, but you might have bought the latest release, as I understand it it has all the DLCs in it. ( If so you are Lucky, depending on your perspective ). Last I heard the Version with all DLCs was only 40 buck's or less. I already feel cheated, because people that get that version will not have to deal with all the bug's that were in the game in the beginning, as patches have pretty well fixed all those. Also they will get all the extra content, that if I wanted it would probably put the expense of the game over 100 bucks for me. I just don't think so.

 

   I hope I can tell myself from now on to never buy a new release sequel to a game no matter how bad I want it. because if you can just hold off for nine months or so it should start being offered not only cheaper, but with many more extras. [ But I will probably not do that ]

 

   Yeppers! I had to stay on course, and work very hard at ignoring all the little side quests that popped up. This time I did get to the end of the main story. It felt good to end it.

 

    At this time, mainly for expense reason, I just have no desire to buy, and play any DLCs the story finished for me, and I am quite fine with that.  I don't need any explanation, and if I did I could go to "you tube" to see it.

 

   I truly wish you luck with your DLCs, and congratulations on finishing the game. I can personally testify to how troublesome it can be to finish.

[Yggdrasil]

Even though I don't agree with your assessment, I certainly can't fault you for having a different opinion since different things resonate with different people.  I would agree with others that you cut your losses.  YouTube and internet searches can fill in the main story and the DLC's to get you basically up to speed.  Then you can use the wonderful Dragon Age Keep to create a DA:I world state.  Then when the next Dragon Age comes out, you'll have that world state as if you'd finished the game, and hopefully you'll enjoy the next game more.

[robotnist]

i share many feelings with the OP, but will always say i love bioware/bioware games... i just still feel like DAO is still the best of the trilogy, but it's also my number 1 fave game of all time!!! 

 

i feel like DAO was a perfect circle of joy/fun. like a perfect TV series/novel.

DA2 was great at a few aspects and horrible in others, but still really enjoyed and played it a bunch when it first came out.

 

now DAI is kinda like taking some of the good aspects of DA2, and then trying to paint this big beautiful world but at times instead of using a detailed brush, the devs used "broad" brush strokes. for me, it's the little things/details in games that does it for me... and i feel like DAO had so many of those things nailed down perfect, to a science!!! 

 

perfect example, just look at the stats in DAI and compare them to how theyre handled in DAO...

it's kinda gross, in DAI you sky rocket 2 or 3 important stats for your class, then the rest are THROWN AWAY///USELESS!!!

while in DAO every stat meant something to every class!!! it was all important!!!

 

another great example is the armor in DAO compared to DAI. while i enjoy the look and being able to ID the characters of Inq. and i do like the fine details of tweaking boots, gloves, helms etc, DAO had 7 realistic tiers of materials!!!! not to mention RACIAL armor styles and goods, it made the world feel SO LIVED IN!!! 

 

you know, IDK if it just comes down to, do we want to wait 7 years for a perfect game? (DAO) or wait 4 years for a really fun game with a few flaws...

but there's just so many things DAO does for me personally, that make it that one rare game that it's perfect!!!

[tanerb123]

It is not your fault. I did not finish it either and I finished DA:O and DA2 (Thank God, it wa short) Game is boring. Move on. Play Witcher 3 and profit

[Deadmac]

I am on my third or fourth attempt. After doing some research, I am playing the game slightly differently. I am enjoying small portions: however, the intense resource gathering is a game stopper. I have fallen out of character too many times: thus, the main story is not able to capture me.