30 réponses à ce sujet

[MzChaos]

So here I am... romancing Cassandra for the first time.

 

I really don't want her to become the next divine because that would take her away from my Inquisitor.  So I was careful.  Maybe too careful.

 

Cassandra and I arrived at what had always been the place in our conversations where supporting Cassandra for the next Divine becomes available.  It appeared that I had been successful because on my next visit to the War Table, that option wasn't there.

 

Next, I talked to Vivienne and had the conversation where she implies that Cassandra should be the next Divine which usually triggers the support for her.  On my next visit to the War Table, that option also wasn't there.

 

Confused, I moved on to Leliana.  We have her "Divine conversation" but again, the trip to the War Table gives me no one to support for the next Divine.

 

I have never had this happen before.  But then again, I have never romanced Cassandra before.  From other playthroughs, I have always had the option of backing a Divine.  Is this a normal thing, did I stumble upon a glitch or is it my wonderfully consistent bad luck and I am going to end up with no sweetheart in a land with no Divine?

 

 

[Tidus]

Whew! Good question.

 

In my current game it a toss up between Cassie and Leliana.  Seeing Vivienne is out for her self I don't weigh to much on her input mostly the way she wants the Circles rebuilt to the old standards. Playing as a mage I can't agree with that.

 

This hurts seeing Leliana is Tidus sweetie in DA:O but,I feel Cassie is more knowledgeable then Leliana since she was nothing more then a head knocker and spy for Justina.  

 

My male inquisitor Tidus romances Josie,my female romances Cullen and when used Chasha romances Sera.

[Iakus]

I don't think Leliana has a War Table mission to support her.  Just by saying you will throws points her way.

[Greypaul]

I've had all three as divines if your not getting a mission to support it is usually Leliana who becomes Divine cassandra and vivian seem to always get them depending on your conversation choices with each.

[ArcadiaGrey]

Have you checked the wiki page?  If you remember your choices you should be able to do some maths to figure out who's winning...

 

http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election

 

As for the missions not turning up, have you completed WEaWH yet?

[MzChaos]

Seeing Vivienne is out for her self I don't weigh to much on her input mostly the way she wants the Circles rebuilt to the old standards. Playing as a mage I can't agree with that.

 

 

I agree.  If it didn't work the first time, what makes her think it will work now?  As a mage, Cassandra's goals for the Circles sounds much better.  Leliana, while having good intentions, would probably throw things into greater chaos than it is right now.

 

I had been giving it a lot of thought coming up to this point of who I would want as Divine instead of Cassandra but it appears as if that decision will not be mine to make.

 

I wonder who the game will choose?  Will it choose anyone?  Has anyone gotten through a game without a Divine being named?  It has been a concern since the beginning of the game and I can't see it ending without someone being named.  But at this point, I have no clue as to who it might be.  The decision, it appears, has been taken out of my hands.

[Gervaise]

One of those three will be Divine.   I've never had no one show up on the War Table but my first run I never got the option to support Vivienne show up on the War Table.   That run I supported Cassandra both in conversation with her and on the War Table.   Leliana never does show up on the War Table since her becoming Divine depends on you supporting her in conversations with her and other factors.     Who did you make ruler of Orlais?   This seems to have a great deal of influence on who becomes Divine.     If you chose Celene or Celene/Briala that helps Vivienne's cause, whereas making Briala ruler through Gaspard helps Leliana's cause.    If you banish the Wardens that seems to help Cassandra, keeping them helps Leliana.   There are a lot of permutations depending on your decisions, including what you did with the Mages/Templars.   If there are no options on the War Table then presumably that is because you told both Cassandra and Vivienne that you did not want them to be Divine.   That doesn't mean there will not be a Divine, simply that you will have no more direct influence over the decision by making a War Table vote.   Even if you do, you will not necessarily get the Divine you vote for.   One run I voted for Cassandra but still got Vivienne.

[Gold Dragon]

I found that the best way of keeping Vivienne from being divine is to not recruit her.  Then it is either Cassandra or Lelianna.

[MzChaos]

Have you checked the wiki page?  If you remember your choices you should be able to do some maths to figure out who's winning...

 

http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election

 

As for the missions not turning up, have you completed WEaWH yet?

I have.  Unfortunately, I am one of those who makes friends with everyone so it could be any of the three. 

 

Except Sera.  I recruited her long enough to get the achievement then went back to an earlier save and didn't re-recruit her.  There's just something about her initial impression that I can't get around and she doesn't seem the type of person I would want as a representative of the inquisition.  Even folks in the Haven tavern had nothing good to say about the ruffian elf by the tables.

 

Your question about the Winter Palace is interesting though.  Let me tell you about what happened there.

I had been romancing Cassandra.  I hadn't gotten to the part where we consummate our affections, but I had literally talked her out.  Up until that point, I had flirted with her on every occasion that arose in our conversations and had flirted with NO ONE ELSE.  (I like to pace myself or I run out of main quests and companion quests and end up with nothing but a ton of side quests.  Besides, I like being a level or two above the main quests.  Fights end a lot sooner that way).

 

To the Winter Palace I took Cassandra, Dorian and Vivienne.

 

Now when I romanced Dorian and Cullen (twice each) the same way, at the end of the Ball they came out to talk with my Inquisitor and we danced.  

 

This time however, it was Josephine who came out to me on the balcony.  I was shocked.  Where was Cassandra?  I had done my duty as a potential boyfriend and had asked her for a dance earlier on, which she shot down, and I had noticed that I had no options to ask any other companion to dance.  I thought this meant I had sealed the deal.  I guess not.  I did ask Josephine for a dance though.  The way I looked at it, I had asked my lady love for a dance, she turned me down and now here was another friend asking if I was alright after such a long and exhausting night.  I wasn't going to let my Inquisitor go through that whole thing without having danced with anyone but Florianne, and while Josephine wasn't the partner of my choice, it was considerate of her to care... so we danced.

 

What I found amusing was that once I was back in Skyhold, and sought out Cassandra, instead of having a conversation about the Winter Palace, I was treated to her "courting" scene.  It was almost as if she thought, "Hey... he was dancing with Josephine, maybe I should quit playing hard to get."

 

So, to answer your question, not only have I done that quest, but I have even turned Calpernia against Corypheus and drank from the well.

 

As far as my choice in the Winter Palace, I always bring the Empress and Briala together.  I also supported the Templars and didn't banish the Grey Wardens.  There's just something about having all those extra swords for the Inquisition that I find hard to turn down, and even though they can be influenced, we need Grey Wardens for the next Blight.

 

@Gervaise... Looks like it will likely be Vivienne then.  Well... shite.

[Illegitimus]

I agree.  If it didn't work the first time, what makes her think it will work now?  

 

Vivienne's approach, of establishing a consistent set of rules that will apply to all Circles equally and will not change based on who the first enchanter and the templar comander happen to be at the moment, is conceptually sound as a method of stabilizing the system and preventing another uprising, particularly when the set of rules give the mages on average more access to opportunities for out of Circle employment.  The main problem with her as Divine is what happens when she leaves and the backlash starts in the Chantry.  

[MzChaos]

Vivienne's approach, of establishing a consistent set of rules that will apply to all Circles equally and will not change based on who the first enchanter and the templar comander happen to be at the moment, is conceptually sound as a method of stabilizing the system and preventing another uprising, particularly when the set of rules give the mages on average more access to opportunities for out of Circle employment.  The main problem with her as Divine is what happens when she leaves and the backlash starts in the Chantry.  

But she does have that nifty recipe that the Inquisitor looks at as a youth potion.  It didn't work for the Duke but he was pretty far gone anyway.  Maybe her reign will be longer than any other Divine and by that time either she might have groomed a potential replacement to carry on or folks have accepted her way of things.

 

I suppose I have just been lucky so far.

[Patchwork]

I have.  Unfortunately, I am one of those who makes friends with everyone so it could be any of the three. 

 

Except Sera.  I recruited her long enough to get the achievement then went back to an earlier save and didn't re-recruit her.  There's just something about her initial impression that I can't get around and she doesn't seem the type of person I would want as a representative of the inquisition.  Even folks in the Haven tavern had nothing good to say about the ruffian elf by the tables.

 

Your question about the Winter Palace is interesting though.  Let me tell you about what happened there.

I had been romancing Cassandra.  I hadn't gotten to the part where we consummate our affections, but I had literally talked her out.  Up until that point, I had flirted with her on every occasion that arose in our conversations and had flirted with NO ONE ELSE.  (I like to pace myself or I run out of main quests and companion quests and end up with nothing but a ton of side quests.  Besides, I like being a level or two above the main quests.  Fights end a lot sooner that way).

 

To the Winter Palace I took Cassandra, Dorian and Vivienne.

 

Now when I romanced Dorian and Cullen (twice each) the same way, at the end of the Ball they came out to talk with my Inquisitor and we danced.  

 

This time however, it was Josephine who came out to me on the balcony.  I was shocked.  Where was Cassandra?  I had done my duty as a potential boyfriend and had asked her for a dance earlier on, which she shot down, and I had noticed that I had no options to ask any other companion to dance.  I thought this meant I had sealed the deal.  I guess not.  I did ask Josephine for a dance though.  The way I looked at it, I had asked my lady love for a dance, she turned me down and now here was another friend asking if I was alright after such a long and exhausting night.  I wasn't going to let my Inquisitor go through that whole thing without having danced with anyone but Florianne, and while Josephine wasn't the partner of my choice, it was considerate of her to care... so we danced.

 

What I found amusing was that once I was back in Skyhold, and sought out Cassandra, instead of having a conversation about the Winter Palace, I was treated to her "courting" scene.  It was almost as if she thought, "Hey... he was dancing with Josephine, maybe I should quit playing hard to get."

 

So, to answer your question, not only have I done that quest, but I have even turned Calpernia against Corypheus and drank from the well.

 

As far as my choice in the Winter Palace, I always bring the Empress and Briala together.  I also supported the Templars and didn't banish the Grey Wardens.  There's just something about having all those extra swords for the Inquisition that I find hard to turn down, and even though they can be influenced, we need Grey Wardens for the next Blight.

 

@Gervaise... Looks like it will likely be Vivienne then.  Well... shite.

 

 

You might have thrown a few points Cassandra and Leliana's way depending on conversation but two big decisions are in Vivienne's favour.

 

So it looks like the mage will get the big hat.

[Spectr61]

"Softened" Leilanna as Divine.

PITA to get her that way, but once softened, just don't support Cas or Viv in conversations with them, support L in conversation with her, no "support Leilanna for Divine" wartable shows up, but you end up getting her.

This seems to be the hardest one to achieve, just follow the wikis both for choosing divine and softened Lielanna if you want to go that way.

This was the only situation where I agreed to keep the Inquisition under the Divine, as L could use some help with all her changes, and in holding off that bit#h Viv when she starts her own circle with her as first.

[Gold Dragon]

There is, or was, a way to see the current numbers for both Companion approval and Divine selection.  It's buried somewhere in the thread that eventually determined which acts of the Inquisitor afftected the Divine choice.

 

For my current run this is what I have (yet to do WEWH):

 

Name: Elena
Race: Human
Gender: Female
Class: Rogue
Level: 17

Leliana (Divine): 7
Vivienne (Divine): 6
Cassandra (Divine): 10
Blackwall (approval): 125
Cassandra (approval): 125
Cole (approval): 48
Iron Bull (approval): 125
Sera (approval): 56
Solas (approval): 43
Varric (approval): 84
Vivienne (approval): 6
Connections rank (less = better): 27
Forces rank: 20
Secrets rank: 21
 

 

What I don't get is Vivienne's approval.....  She hasn't been recruited (and won't be).

[MzChaos]

"Softened" Leilanna as Divine.

PITA to get her that way, but once softened, just don't support Cas or Viv in conversations with them, support L in conversation with her, no "support Leilanna for Divine" wartable shows up, but you end up getting her.

This seems to be the hardest one to achieve, just follow the wikis both for choosing divine and softened Lielanna if you want to go that way.

This was the only situation where I agreed to keep the Inquisition under the Divine, as L could use some help with all her changes, and in holding off that bit#h Viv when she starts her own circle with her as first.

In retrospect, perhaps the next time I decide to create a toon that will romance Cassandra, I won't recruit Vivienne.

 

Even though I say the right things to get approvals from her, I really don't know why I recruit her.  I suppose the extra quests are nice for loot, XP and influence and there is also that 10 point bonus I get as a mage for bringing her to the palace for the Ball.  Or, perhaps knowing how far south it can go, maybe I'll be a little less nice and a bit more "me" when I recruit her the next time I make a toon to romance Cassandra.

I already don't recruit Sera, not recruiting Vivienne might hurt me level and loot wise.

[MzChaos]

There is, or was, a way to see the current numbers for both Companion approval and Divine selection.  It's buried somewhere in the thread that eventually determined which acts of the Inquisitor afftected the Divine choice.

 

 

Tell me, Oh Wise and Wonderful Dragon of Gold, where oh where do I find these ratings you seem to have discovered?  I had heard of them but thought them a myth.

[Dabrikishaw]

You will not miss anything severe from not recruiting Vivienne. Only her Companion Quest, her collection quest, and the Enchanter's Seat Throne.

 

The first 2 really aren't a big deal to miss, and the Golden Nug will give you the last one( which, yes require recruiting her, but then you'd only have to do so once).

 

I didn't know that bringing her to the Winter Palace gives a mage Inquisitor +10 Court Approval, but Court Approval is so easy to get it's also not a real loss.

[Spectr61]

In retrospect, perhaps the next time I decide to create a toon that will romance Cassandra, I won't recruit Vivienne.
 
Even though I say the right things to get approvals from her, I really don't know why I recruit her.  I suppose the extra quests are nice for loot, XP and influence and there is also that 10 point bonus I get as a mage for bringing her to the palace for the Ball.  Or, perhaps knowing how far south it can go, maybe I'll be a little less nice and a bit more "me" when I recruit her the next time I make a toon to romance Cassandra.
I already don't recruit Sera, not recruiting Vivienne might hurt me level and loot wise.

Agreed.

I always recruit everyone, then try to get the friendship as high as possible, though I have no really good reason for doing so, other than a vague hope that it might influence later games or DLC.

I never use Viv excepting WEaWH when getting the "Belle" achievement because can't stand her, and besides, she's the "status quo" Divine candidate, and even if she does run an effective status quo, to me things need changing, and the more's the better. So she's out on her bit#hy a$$, at least for me.

That leaves me, as a human mage, romancing Cass and making softened Lielanna Divine, with the Inquisition serving as a peacekeeping force.

[CardButton]

Leliana is the most difficult to make Divine if you don't plan on Allying with the Rebel Mages.  You can get some bonus towards the election by allying with the Templars (not a large amount mind you), do not for any reason conscript the Mages if you really want her as Divine in the end ... there is no real way from recovering her "Divine rep" if you do.

 

And yeah, she is the only one of the three that doesn't have a War Table Op to help out. 

[almasy87]

Uh? I've never seen war table missions to support Cassandra or Leliana...           Only for Vivienne..

But I've never had any problem making who I wanted Divine. I've had Viv once (regretted it ), 2 times Cass and 2 times Leli).
It seems like I've been lucky to always get who I wanted, but to be honest I never had to put much effort into it:
Ignore Vivienne - as long as you don't say "You would be a good Divine" I don't think she even gets the idea of being one..
As for the other two, the only thing I have to be careful about is saying "yes I support you" to the one I want and "no you'd be terrible/do something else" to the other one...     And it always worked this way for me...

[Dai Grepher]

Cassandra only dances with you if you get the grove scene before you go to the ball.

 

You only get Vivienne's support operation if you tell her you think she would be a good choice for Divine. And I think you get that by asking her what qualities a Divine should have.

 

You might also want to be on good terms with her. That might help.

[Gold Dragon]

Tell me, Oh Wise and Wonderful Dragon of Gold, where oh where do I find these ratings you seem to have discovered?  I had heard of them but thought them a myth.

 

You can use the Save Editor to change who becomes Divine, it can also be used to see how the points are calculated, you can likely make a save before every decison in conversation and see how your choices affect who becomes Divine, could be a useful research tool, I don't know all the specifics that it entails, but I did notice it has ways to change the "points" you have that determines who is divine, and I think it also tells you who will become divine at the end. Mine is currently set to Vivenne. The save editor is located here:

 

http://sourceforge.n...cellaneous src/

 

 

 

 

Select "SavefileTools.rar" or Plotflaginquisitor.exe.  I chose the later.

 

You owe me for digging up graves.

[Tidus]

Note to self.. Next game tell Vivienne to buzz off. Glad to hear she's not that important in the grand scheme. Sera I will keep.. At least she useful as a archer and good for a few chuckles..

[MzChaos]

You owe me for digging up graves.

 

Bless you Wise One!  

 

To show my appreciation, I shall hire dwarves to produce likenesses of you and place them next to our throne (I'll get the little guy that stands next to the garden door to do it, he says he's decent at carving).  I will commission bards to write songs in your honor which will be sung each morning at as the sun rises over Skyhold (I have two ex-bards, I'm sure that one or both can do you justice).  And Cassandra might object, but I fully intend to name our firstborn after you.

 

 

And about Vivienne... I almost forgot that I need her for that darned Knight-Enchanter skill.  I imagine the scroll doesn't appear if Vivienne isn't there.  I don't use the sword all that much, but there's something satisfying when a Revenant or a dragon drags me towards them and I say, "So... you want me close do you?"  Whereupon I draw my spirit sword and make them pay for their silly mistake. I am also quite fond of the never ending barrier that the KE skill provides.

[MzChaos]

Name: Simon

Race: Human

Gender: Male

Class: Mage

Level: 21

 

Approval

Blackwall: 125

Cassandra: 125

Cole: 125

Iron Bull: 125

Sera: 21

Solas: 115

Varric: 125

Vivienne: 120

 

Divine election

Cassandra points: 4

Leliana points: 14

Vivienne points: 16

Election state: 0

Cassandra is Divine: False

Leliana is Divine: False

Vivienne is Divine: True

 

Misc

Connections rank: 44

Forces rank: 48

Secrets rank: 43

Cole (1 = Spirit, 2 = Human): 2

Cassandra rebuilds Seekers: 1

Leliana's personal quest done: —

Leliana softened: —

Court approval: 100

 

Well... I suppose that answers my question.  Vivienne will be Divine and somewhere, wherever she is, Sera likes me a little even though I told her she wasn't a good match for the Inquisition.