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[Realmzmaster]

DA2 had most of the party members being player sexual. Gamers complained because it was not like the way it was in DAO. Bioware goes back to the way it was in DAO and gamers are complaining it is not like DA2.

 

Bioware cannot win either way.

[Addictress]

Cassandra has made me relies how horrible most of the human population is. People always start by throwing out words like butch and tranny. She looks like a woman who has trained and faugh for her whole life would look. I mean a gaming company finally gives us a real woman and not a Barbi doll and people are just horrible about it...

FUC*ING THIS

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[Addictress]

As amazing a game W3 was, wtf with the Barbie dolls? Ciri slashing a huge claymore with an unbuttoned cotton shirt? Fack that!!! Don't EVER do that. I will forever SJW that crap so fast, and with immense glee.

edit: I mean *cough* not that biower did any better in the past what with Isabela and all but...Inquisition was an improvement in this regard.

[GoldenGail3]

You are right, this game the straight relationship sucks
Cassandra is basically *Edited* , she is cool but also a terrible hypocrite, and her sweet side is creepy.
Josephine is boring because she isn't a companion and hasn't a lot of interactions in the game, she even hasn't a sex scene.
I hope the next game give us more options.

Well I was happy and I'm not complaining like that, am I?

[GoldenGail3]

As amazing a game W3 was, wtf with the Barbie dolls? Ciri slashing a huge claymore with an unbuttoned cotton shirt? Fack that!!! Don't EVER do that. I will forever SJW that crap so fast, and with immense glee.
edit: I mean *cough* not that biower did any better in the past what with Isabela and all but...Inquisition was an improvement in this regard.

What are you proposing? DA goes Witchers on us (I mean gross btw, I just call it Witchers). Cause there's just is so much no in the world and there not enough for that.

[Addictress]

What are you proposing? DA goes Witchers on us (I mean gross btw, I just call it Witchers). Cause there's just is so much no in the world and there not enough for that.

I am complaining about the "Witchers'" standard barbie female characters and commending Bioware for toughening up Cassandra and covering up Leliana in full chain mail for once.

[Midnight Bliss]

Thought experiment time:

I get the feeling that Bio didn't expect the tidal wave of straight male butthurt that adding the Cullen and Solas romances unleashed. Let's say they did see it coming, and decided to avoid it by adding one female and one male LI instead.

Which male romance gets cut? Solas or Cullen?

Who's the additional female? Harding? Vivienne? Leliana?

They should have made Josephine prettier in the original game (Her face was pointlessly harsh looking, I'm guessing for SJWs?) and given her a proper, serious romance. Her storyline of being promised for an arranged marriage was interesting, and could have had some really dramatic and emotional moments with some pretty severe consequences. I'm imagining a dynamic of the Broquis offering to break up her arranged marriage and take care of her/her family and Josie really, truly wanting to be with him and loving him, but also being torn due to not wanting to have her fate controlled by a man and fighting for complete independence. She could have had a really important story to tell about a woman fighting for the right to choose her destiny, but not wanting to become a man or take on a masculine role in the process, which is something you really don't see represented very often. Because usually stories like that boil down to the usual SJW "I don't need a man because the suck and I'm a strong WOMAN!!!!1" Or some other nonsense like that.

Instead though we got some weird, sexless Disney relationship with a side of magical bisexuality that felt like it was made for a little girl in first grade, and probably written by one too.

 

Oh and Cullen and probably Solas should have been bisexual options. Again, two stories that aren't represented anywhere - Cullen, a prince charming stereotype falling in love with a man and wanting a family with one. Unlike their previous attempts of forcing heterosexual characters to become bi it would have actually been believable for Cullen since there was never any mention of his sexuality outside of having a schoolboy crush on a mage HoF which doesn't mean anything at all.

 

Solas could have been a genuine story of somebody falling in love with somebody based on who they are inside, their soul, their essence, and that love surpassing stereotypical bushwa concepts of attraction and affection. All his spirit/fade interaction could have easily made this believable and not forced at all if written properly.

 

 

Three missed opportunities.

[Addictress]

Don't take away my Solasmance *shields with overprotective embrace* don't touch it preciouss

[Abyss108]

Gotta love the way some people think Bioware not writing content that specifically appeals to them personally is some evil SJW conspiracy out to get them.

 

Ooooh noooooo, there were more female LIs in ME, its an evil conspiracy made by the men who want to ruin the game!!

[Corwyn]

So am I the only one sure the OP is just trying to get a reaction out of people?

[Donk]

I am complaining about the "Witchers'" standard barbie female characters and commending Bioware for toughening up Cassandra and covering up Leliana in full chain mail for once.

So because they are attractive they are "Barbie" characters?

Where are you getting the idea? Cause Ciri has blonde hair? A bit narrow minded of an assumption for you to make, don't you think?

[Addictress]

So because they are attractive they are "Barbie" characters?

Where are you getting the idea? Cause Ciri has blonde hair? A bit narrow minded of an assumption for you to make, don't you think?

Because they're literally Barbies.

Geralt is insanely hot but he has an old man's hair and scars all dafuq over.
Solas is the #1 heart throb but he's bald and thin, not jacked like some GTA V Vin Diesel Just Cause Protagonist.
Blackwall is attractive but he has a forked beard Santa could hide inside.

All these insanely attractive men have some character and yet Ciri is just....Barbie. With hot topic eyeliner to boot. Oh, and one scar.

Cullen is Ken, too. But at least he's wearing full armor, not swinging a broad sword in an unbuttoned shirt, as much as I would pay to watch that in GIF format forever.

[Donk]

Because they're literally Barbies.

Geralt is insanely hot but he has an old man's hair and scars all dafuq over.
Solas is the #1 heart throb but he's bald and thin, not jacked like some GTA V Vin Diesel Just Cause Protagonist.
Blackwall is attractive but he has a forked beard Santa could hide inside.

All these insanely attractive men have some character and yet Ciri is just....Barbie. With hot topic eyeliner to boot. Oh, and one scar.

Cullen is Ken, too. But at least he's wearing full armor, not swinging a broad sword in an unbuttoned shirt, as much as I would pay to watch that in GIF format forever.

Okay "hot topic eye-liner" cracked me up. Well played. I no longer have the urge to argue in circles with you.

[Vajrajina]

So am I the only one sure the OP is just trying to get a reaction out of people?

I have nobody to talk about this great experience. I honestly found the Cassandra romance to be a proper 'experience', especially how this Josephine fling was mixed in. It felt real. I actually felt embarassed and didn't want to talk to Josephine or Lelianna later because I thought they would make me feel horrible about myself.

Unfortunately not every game can be as detailed as Undertale, so they missed out on that one.

What you guys make of this experience is up to you. However, if I created a male non-warrior character I would not have romanced Cassandra because I would never romance a woman who is physically stronger than me (this includes IRL). Sure, she might be strong, but my Qunari warrior is even stronger .
Which would leave me with no other option but to romance Dorian if I wanted a proper romance. Unfortunately, like I said earlier, I have no bi-curiosity in me so Dorian isn't an option either (or Iron bull, lol).
 

[AnimalBoy]

My wife and i are in similar boats. She likes Dorian the best but she plays as straight females. I adore Sera but only play as straight males. (I actually created a female character for the first time so i could romance her but it can't be my canon.)

[Mykel54]

I found Cassandra´s looks average at best, but her personality was utterly charming. That´s not something you see often, much less on a videogame - it´s usually the other way around. I´m not only talking about the "cute" moments, but the whole package of being being reasonable + having faith, i found she was the most sensible character in the whole game.

[MiyuEmi]

Have to say, as others are saying here, some of the comments here are horrible.  I personally think that Bioware does an amazing job when creating companions and their related romances.  I despise Vivienne but you know what, she's a really well written character for me to dislike her so much.  She is completely a B*tch, but as Sera states, she knows it.  I'm not a fan of Sera's character because she's quite immature, but I'm not going to start calling her names and insulting her character as she is loved by others for different reasons.  I personally think Cassandra is a great character and while I didn't like her little role in DA:2 so was convinced I wasn't going to want to see her here, learning more about her character, I love her character now.  She is very well written and complex.  I prefer the more mature angle they took on companion development here.  Most of the DAI character are quite complex which is much better than DA:2 admittedly.  A lot of the characters were really one dimensional there save for Fenris and possibly Varric.

 

The companions in DAI were very well written and if you don't like them and have a reason for not liking them, that shows me they're well written characters.  The romances to me are always a bonus, and being over the age of 17, I'm not just kicking the game if I don't get a sex scene.  One of the most complex romances in the game (Solas) does not give you a sex scene.

[MiyuEmi]

@vajrajina Don't let your own sexuality control your romance choices in these games.  Role play.  I love Dorian's character, so I created a male Inquisitor just to romance him and I plan on creating a male character just to romance Cassandra.  They're well written and it's a game, enjoy it.  If you're concerned that much about what others might think, create another gamer profile and experiment to determine which of the characters you enjoy the most.  The romance is only a small portion of the game and you don't actually have to romance anyone.  In fact, the default world state has you never romancing anyone in either DAO or DA:2.

[Guitar-Hero]

As amazing a game W3 was, wtf with the Barbie dolls? Ciri slashing a huge claymore with an unbuttoned cotton shirt? Fack that!!! Don't EVER do that. I will forever SJW that crap so fast, and with immense glee.

edit: I mean *cough* not that biower did any better in the past what with Isabela and all but...Inquisition was an improvement in this regard.

Jesus christ... How about living in a world where theres room for everyone? Both the Isabela's and the Cassandra's. In other words grow the **** up.

[Battlebloodmage]

@vajrajina Don't let your own sexuality control your romance choices in these games.  Role play.  I love Dorian's character, so I created a male Inquisitor just to romance him and I plan on creating a male character just to romance Cassandra.  They're well written and it's a game, enjoy it.  If you're concerned that much about what others might think, create another gamer profile and experiment to determine which of the characters you enjoy the most.  The romance is only a small portion of the game and you don't actually have to romance anyone.  In fact, the default world state has you never romancing anyone in either DAO or DA:2.

Making a default waifu will create a waifu war and for new players would be confusing to have these characters in relationship with these characters that you have never seen before. I do agree about roleplay, and my canon is with Cassandra when I usually play as a gay character in Bioware if possible since I find all the gay relationship to be extremely terrible. 

[MiyuEmi]

@Battlebloodmage True that multiple saves etc could be confusing for new players.  I often start as a straight female, but if I enjoy other characters and want to see their romance storylines, I will create other characters to explore that.  I'm an RPG junkie and can replay a game repeatedly in different ways.

[Dai Grepher]

Regarding Cassandra, I think people were right to complain about her appearance as well as Josephine's, and I was one of those complaining. As a result, both were revised and were given better looks. I am content with the results. So I think it's wrong to brand the complainers as being too demanding or ungrateful or superficial or whatever. No one was demanding "barbies", just good looking females, which we got exactly because of those demands.

[Abyss108]

Regarding Cassandra, I think people were right to complain about her appearance as well as Josephine's, and I was one of those complaining. As a result, both were revised and were given better looks. I am content with the results. So I think it's wrong to brand the complainers as being too demanding or ungrateful or superficial or whatever. No one was demanding "barbies", just good looking females, which we got exactly because of those demands.

 

When were their looks changed?

[nightscrawl]

@vajrajina Don't let your own sexuality control your romance choices in these games.  Role play.  I love Dorian's character, so I created a male Inquisitor just to romance him and I plan on creating a male character just to romance Cassandra.  They're well written and it's a game, enjoy it.  If you're concerned that much about what others might think, create another gamer profile and experiment to determine which of the characters you enjoy the most.  The romance is only a small portion of the game and you don't actually have to romance anyone.  In fact, the default world state has you never romancing anyone in either DAO or DA:2.

 

Eh this really depends on your perspective and different people RP in different ways. I am attracted to men, and so are my characters. If I have to make a male character to romance a male LI I will do so. To me it's not about being in a homosexual relationship, it's about being with that person. None of the female LIs thus far in the entire DA series have appealed to me**, save Cassandra. But she's straight, and if I'm going to sink 120+ hours into the game as a male character I'm going to romance Dorian. It's really that simple for me. If Cassandra were an option for the female PC I would go for her, but she isn't.

 

Also, I tend to play the same character repeatedly, whether that is a male or female character. I'm not one of those types that has all of these different characters with different backstories and so on. Some choice variance aside, I experience the game in the same way every time I play. That is how I enjoy it.

 

 

** I did romance Isabela once. She's OK, just not my cup of tea.

[nightscrawl]

When were their looks changed?

 
I don't know about Josephine, but both Cassandra and Morrigan were revised slightly from their original appearance, shown in E3. Their looks were refined. However, I'm wary of going along with the idea that it was fan complaints that prompted the changes. The game was still in development, so I think it's rather presumptuous to say that negative feedback was the sole deciding factor in any appearance changes.