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[nightscrawl]

^ The interrogation takes place in 9:40, while DAI takes place in 9:41; the exact months are not known. Cassandra does specifically say that she brought Varric to Haven to tell his story to the Divine, so one would assume that the interrogation took place in the later months of 9:40, and account for travel time to Haven with the Conclave happening in 9:41.

 

But I agree that it probably is not likely that she would be marked in that way. But don't forget that DA2 did not have scarring of that sort, so you could very well say that they had that in mind for her all along but just couldn't implement it in DA2. Or, you may also look at it as a further refinement of her character as she advanced from minor in DA2 to major in DAI.

[MzChaos]

But I agree that it probably is not likely that she would be marked in that way. But don't forget that DA2 did not have scarring of that sort, so you could very well say that they had that in mind for her all along but just couldn't implement it in DA2. Or, you may also look at it as a further refinement of her character as she advanced from minor in DA2 to major in DAI.

Okay... although my OCD thinks you're letting them off too lightly... I'll give you that.  But it still doesn't explain Varric's battle scars. 

[AFA]

Not trying to change the subject, but I have been wondering. Correct me on this one if I am wrong.  But didn't the end of DA:2 take place one year before DA:I?

 

I have been trying to imagine what in the world Cassandra has gone through in that year to be so scarred like that.  Varric too for that matter.  They certainly weren't that beaten up the last time I saw them.  (Is it just me or does the scar on Varric's nose look like a bite mark?)

 

The world goes to hell in the year or so between, so them getting new scars makes sense. My Hawke was kind of a pretty boy in DA2, but shows up in DAI looking like modern day Rust Cohle from True Detective. Long hair, crappy beard, new scar, and dead eyes. 

 

I like Cassandra's appearance, it is just kind of strange to have that look for a female lead, at least from a marketing perspective. And yes, there is a double standard there.

 

 

I had not heard this before. It makes a sort of sense, but is also odd since I feel Iron Bull fits the "depraved bisexual(/pansexual)" trope much more easily than Solas.

 

But is this really that different from other Bio romances? Leliana is the "innocent" female who wants true love. Morrigan is the ice queen who eventually melts and wants true love.

 

Merrill is the innocent who wants true love. Isabela is the hardened rogue who pretends not to want true love. And then reveals that she does.

 

Josephine is the innocent who dreams of courtly romance. Cassandra is the hardened warrior whose gruff exterior conceals her romantic inclinations toward...true love.

 

I'm sensing a pattern.

 

I liked the opposing view points that you got with Morrigan and Leli. You could roleplay a character in a bunch of different ways and still end up with a logical love interest.

 

My rebel mage and Cassandra hate each other, so no romance there. To me there is a gaping whole for an LI that can agree with you politically. For hetero females, this seems to be the same problem. Between Zevran/Alistair and Leli/Morrigan, you could find a fitting romance.

[nightscrawl]

Okay... although my OCD thinks you're letting them off too lightly... I'll give you that.  But it still doesn't explain Varric's battle scars. 

 

I just look at it as the FB engine giving them greater opportunity to have more defined faces. And the lack of scars in DA2 also still does account for Varric's.

 

Let's just take Hawke as an example. Avaline was the only person in DA2 to have skin with any sort of freckles or other defining characteristics and that skin was unique to her. In DAI, when creating your Hawke you can have more variety with some freckles, moles, and such.

[vbibbi]

The world goes to hell in the year or so between, so them getting new scars makes sense. My Hawke was kind of a pretty boy in DA2, but shows up in DAI looking like modern day Rust Cohle from True Detective. Long hair, crappy beard, new scar, and dead eyes. 

 

I like Cassandra's appearance, it is just kind of strange to have that look for a female lead, at least from a marketing perspective. And yes, there is a double standard there.

 

 

 

I liked the opposing view points that you got with Morrigan and Leli. You could roleplay a character in a bunch of different ways and still end up with a logical love interest.

 

My rebel mage and Cassandra hate each other, so no romance there. To me there is a gaping whole for an LI that can agree with you politically. For hetero females, this seems to be the same problem. Between Zevran/Alistair and Leli/Morrigan, you could find a fitting romance.

I mean yeah, Cass and Josephine are fairly similar politically and religiously, although they express it in different ways. And they're both from noble backgrounds, although again, they express that in different ways.

 

The difficulty is that there are not a lot of eligible straight/bi women to romance in the game, so a straight male PC is limited in choice. It could have been interesting to have Sera as bisexual and Josephine as female only, but I do like Sera as is and I wouldn't want to relegate the only stated lesbian in the game to a non-companion status.

[AnimalBoy]

I figured Cassandra to be 36-38. Not in her 40s.

[GoldenGail3]

I am complaining about the "Witchers'" standard barbie female characters and commending Bioware for toughening up Cassandra and covering up Leliana in full chain mail for once.

Thats good to know, lol.

[GoldenGail3]

Eh this really depends on your perspective and different people RP in different ways. I am attracted to men, and so are my characters. If I have to make a male character to romance a male LI I will do so. To me it's not about being in a homosexual relationship, it's about being with that person. None of the female LIs thus far in the entire DA series have appealed to me**, save Cassandra. But she's straight, and if I'm going to sink 120+ hours into the game as a male character I'm going to romance Dorian. It's really that simple for me. If Cassandra were an option for the female PC I would go for her, but she isn't.
 
Also, I tend to play the same character repeatedly, whether that is a male or female character. I'm not one of those types that has all of these different characters with different backstories and so on. Some choice variance aside, I experience the game in the same way every time I play. That is how I enjoy it.
 
 
** I did romance Isabela once. She's OK, just not my cup of tea.

My Hawke would probaly try and tell you otherwise.... If it's about Isabela, lol. And I agree with you about the other thing, I mean as a straight female I find it diffuclt to go after Sera (sorry) but I'm fine with Dorian Romancing though...

[AFA]

As amazing a game W3 was, wtf with the Barbie dolls? Ciri slashing a huge claymore with an unbuttoned cotton shirt? Fack that!!! Don't EVER do that. I will forever SJW that crap so fast, and with immense glee.

edit: I mean *cough* not that biower did any better in the past what with Isabela and all but...Inquisition was an improvement in this regard.

 

Couldn't we get a happy medium between unicorn sex and burka Leliana? 

[Joseph Warrick]

Or we could talk about Dragon Age.

[Battlebloodmage]

Couldn't we get a happy medium between unicorn sex and burka Leliana? 

A burka unicorn? Filthy filthy creatures.

[Guitar-Hero]

Cool

[AFA]

A burka unicorn? Filthy filthy creatures.

 

I think that we can agree that at least burka unicorns would be better than druffalo. Hell, if we had one as a mount, I may actually remember that we can ride horses in this game.

[AedanStarfang]

Are you sure Cassandra's race-gated?

I'm pretty sure as long as you're male you can romance her, so far I've wooed her as a human and an elf.

[MidnightWolf]

I think Cassandras romance is one of the best in all of the DA games, and I say this as a mostly straight Woman. Which is why my canon world state will always have a Human male Inquisitor and a Cassandra romance. The Woman is adorable.

[Marshal Moriarty]

(Shrugs) I don't really bother much with romance in DA:I. Very poor this time, though I feel like Bioware's track record isn't great on this in any of their games. They just can't seem to get it right, which considering how much focus the fans put on this is somewhat frustrating. Some games are better than others at this I guess, but mostly I've been disappointed with most of the romances in their games (not that they are any worse at it than basically any other game out there though - its a common problem in RPGs).

 

The only one I've sort of settled on during my playthroughs was Josephine (always with a female character, as all my characters in DAI have been female - male Inquisitor just doesn't seem to fit the role IMO). But frankly I agree with the OP (on this anyway), that its pretty boring. The lack of a sex scene doesn't bother me, as they are always awkward and look silly anyway, but its more the fact that she constantly seems to revert back to just being my secretary. It seems like I was constantly having to say 'Er... you remember we're together, right?' because it never felt that way really.

 

As someone who has been hoping for a romance option with a character of more mature years (40 or so) it was deeply irritating that both Cassandra and Vivienne couldn't be romanced (by a female character anyway). Neither could Morrigan or Leliana for reasons I still find utterly unconvincing. So what is some people romance them in earlier games? My characters didn't, so they were single. And the fact that they can be romanced in earlier games somehow meaning that the romance would be exactly the same makes no sense either. Different people react to others in different ways, find other aspects of each others lives and personalities that connect and provide new things for them to bond over.

 

But it wasn't to be, nor were there really many new characters in terms of NPCs, full stop. Of the ones that are there, I would have liked to be able to romance either Minaeve or Helisma. I wouldn't expect much content from such romances (it would hardly be the first game where romances have little content about them), As with the Josephine romance it wouldn't be very involved, but frankly I liked these 2 more than mostly any other characters in the whole game. Obviously any romance concerning a Tranquil would be a difficult one to write (it would necessarily be 1 sided, and you couldn't have your character forcing themselves on the Tranquil - so I see it more as an employer who is simply content to have the object of their affection around. An unrequited love story if you will, and quite in keeping with classic old class barrier stories etc).

[Sylvianus]

I think Cassandras romance is one of the best in all of the DA games, and I say this as a mostly straight Woman. Which is why my canon world state will always have a Human male Inquisitor and a Cassandra romance. The Woman is adorable.

 

I have no idea why most women think that Cassandra is one of the best romance in dragon age. ( from what I've seen ) This intrigues me, because her romance is pretty meh. The writting with the romances in DAI isn't particularly brilliant or deep compared to DAO either. Cassandra isn't as attractive as Isabela or Morrigan or Leliana, at least in the eyes of many guys.

 

She should rather have been made available for female gamers, I think lol. 

[MidnightWolf]

I have no idea why most women think that Cassandra is one of the best romance in dragon age. ( from what I've seen ) This intrigues me, because her romance is pretty meh. The writting with the romances in DAI isn't particularly brilliant or deep compared to DAO either. Cassandra isn't as attractive as Isabela or Morrigan or Leliana, at least in the eyes of many guys.
 
She should rather have been made available for female gamers, I think lol.

While I agree that she may not be as 'pretty' to look at as the characters you mentioned, attraction its self doesn't just boil down to the physical. I'm more or less straight in real life, since I only have relationships with Men. I have however dated two Women before, neither of whom were particularly attractive on the outside. However, they both had something else which I liked about them. And that, in part, is why I like Cassandras romance so much.
Sure, she's not a 'pretty' girl. But dig below the surface and you realise just how shallow those 'pretty' nice to look at characters are. At least for me anyway.

[actionhero112]

I think Cassandras romance is one of the best in all of the DA games, and I say this as a mostly straight Woman. Which is why my canon world state will always have a Human male Inquisitor and a Cassandra romance. The Woman is adorable.

It's so soft though. There is no baby snatching, double crossing, blood magic or betraying in it. Where is the fun in that? 

 

It's super vanilla. I poke fun at Josephine's romance for being almost exactly disney princess-like, but Cassandra's isn't that much different, you read her poetry, give her roses, light scented candles. 

 

Where is the excitement? The angst? The fevered passion?

 

Too sweet. I need spice. This is why I didn't like the straight male this time around. 

[MidnightWolf]

It's so soft though. There is no baby snatching, double crossing, blood magic or betraying in it. Where is the fun in that? 
 
It's super vanilla. I poke fun at Josephine's romance for being almost exactly disney princess-like, but Cassandra's isn't that much different, you read her poetry, give her roses, light scented candles. 
 
Where is the excitement? The angst? The fevered passion?
 
Too sweet. I need spice. This is why I didn't like the straight male this time around.

I did Josephine's romance on my last playthrough as a Human male, and your right, it is very Disney. I think it's mostly the contrast between what Cassandra portrays to the World and what she's really like, that I love so much about her romance. Sure there's no angst and she's not a nut. But her personality's are so vastly different.......her romance doesn't need it.

[nightscrawl]

^ What's kind of amusing is that after DA2 so many people railed about how all of the LIs were f'd up in some way and they just wanted a normal person. So we get some normal people in DAI and people still complain.

[Midnight Bliss]

SJWs? Are you trying to sound silly?

This whole post wasn't really responsive to the question it was supposedly a response to. That's maybe my fault since I didn't make the premise explicit. I thought most of us were aware that the original plan was 2-2-2 -- two straight LIs (Blackwall and Cassandra), two bisexual LIs (Iron Bull and Josephine), two gay LIs (Dorian and Sera). Perfectly balanced. Whether you like the options is a different question

During the extension they found enough time to add Solas and Cullen. Not much time; Cullen's race-gated for no reason besides not having enough time to do animations and camera angles for qunari and dwarf PCs. (IIRC he would have been human-only if one of the devs hadn't put in his own time to make elves work too.) That's when the imbalance came in.

Wouldn't silly be pretending to be clueless when I'm not or presenting that part of my post as factually correct when rather than admit I was making a educated guess, like I did..

 

And in retrospect I probably shouldn't have quoted your post in my response. I did so because I was suggesting that rather than having added a third female romance they could and should have just given Josie a serious romance that actually fit with the rest of the narrative of the game. But I could see how that possibly got lost somewhere in translation, yeah.

[MidnightWolf]

^ What's kind of amusing is that after DA2 so many people railed about how all of the LIs were f'd up in some way and they just wanted a normal person. So we get some normal people in DAI and people still complain.

Not just that....but people also whined about how everyone was Bi-sexual, and how it was unrealistic. Now in DA:I, we have race and sex gated romances annnnd.....people STILL complain. Bioware can't win for losing it seems.

[actionhero112]

^ What's kind of amusing is that after DA2 so many people railed about how all of the LIs were f'd up in some way and they just wanted a normal person. So we get some normal people in DAI and people still complain.

 

Well different people are complaining. You can complain next time. 

[Marshal Moriarty]

Cassandra's romance just reminds me of that banter sequence in Origins between Zevran, Morrigan and Alistair though. Where Zevran does his usual routine, Morrigan shrugs him off, but he persists and goes the full mile with it, such that you can imagine him under the window, rose clenched in his teeth, singing love ballads etc and it actually works on her for a second or 2, causing astonishment from Alistair.

 

Its such old hat, this idea that Zevran is pushing though, that even the most closed off women are secretly romantics waiting for the old cliches to be heaped on them, and that will flatter them etc. The problem I have with this kind of thing is the same that I have with all Bioware romances - that outside of the specific romance dialogues and sequences, there is little to no suggestion that you are involved at all. And since there are never very many of those, the romance never feels credible or organically paced, because instead of being tied to a growing attachment over the events of the story itself, it feels much more artificial and rushed.

 

And yes, as the poster above states, its different people complaining. The arguments against LIs being bisexual never made any sense, especially as their sexuality is usually not mentioned at all. I just can't see what the problem is. Saying that you should define one aspect of their character doesn't explain why its okay for others to be changed (because the LIs don't all *have^ to love you for example, just because it is possible for it to happen).