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#201
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Well, in all fairness, dishonesty is one way to play Wicked Grace. Not the only way. So even in that context it shows Josephine's methods. And regardless of what is best in the situation, dishonesty is dishonesty.


But that's the wrong question. The question should be when dishonesty is OK , and when it isn't.
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Well, in all fairness, dishonesty is one way to play Wicked Grace. Not the only way. So even in that context it shows Josephine's methods. And regardless of what is best in the situation, dishonesty is dishonesty. It's an example of her being dishonest, and rigging it to make the romanced Inquisitor win is another example. Agree with her or don't, but how she chose to play it shows that she was dishonest in that situation.

 

It shows that she's manipulative. As her does her very first introductory scene - she actually tailors her comments to the irate noble to build off what the Inquisitor says; she makes it seem natural, but it's all affect. It's not dishonesty. None of the words associated with it - or it's plain meaning - fit with what Josephine does here, or generally. 

 

dis·hon·es·ty
disˈänəstē/
noun
noun: dishonesty
  1. deceitfulness shown in someone's character or behavior.
    "the dismissal of thirty civil servants for dishonesty and misconduct"
    synonyms: fraud, fraudulence, corruption, cheating, chicanerydouble-dealingdeceit,deceptionduplicitylying, falseness, falsityfalsehood, untruthfulness;More
     
     
     
     
    antonyms: probity
    • a fraudulent or deceitful act.
      plural noun: dishonesties

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Is there any evidence that she rigged the game, and not just that Bioware decided to create a different scenario for an Inquisitor romancing her like they've done in other scenes in DAI and other games?

 

Apart from it being totally consistent with her character, and the many other instances where she manipulates characters the same way?



#204
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Apart from it being totally consistent with her character, and the many other instances where she manipulates characters the same way?

Plus, how often does she get to have fun with her friends where she can really show whats she made of?  I don't really blame her for a little harmless fun.  :D

 

Josey is a remarkable character in that despite being unable to fight physically she has her own way of doing battle.  She fights alone on her own stage in a way only she can, for the her friends and the Inquisition.  Without her they would never have gotten very far.  ^_^



#205
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Because they're literally Barbies.

Geralt is insanely hot but he has an old man's hair and scars all dafuq over.
Solas is the #1 heart throb but he's bald and thin, not jacked like some GTA V Vin Diesel Just Cause Protagonist.
Blackwall is attractive but he has a forked beard Santa could hide inside.

All these insanely attractive men have some character and yet Ciri is just....Barbie. With hot topic eyeliner to boot. Oh, and one scar.

Cullen is Ken, too. But at least he's wearing full armor, not swinging a broad sword in an unbuttoned shirt, as much as I would pay to watch that in GIF format forever.

 

Yeah.. Every girl in W3 world is barbie

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(I wanted to respond you before but I was banned 3 days because I said a "forbidden word" to describe Cassandra, someone feel hurt I think)


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#206
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Meh.  I can understand it to a degree.  I have no sexual attraction nor interest in seeing two lesbians have sex with each other.  Hell, I have no interest in seeing a straight couple have sex with each other. 

 

But I wouldn't have to "turn my head" if it came on and I certainly wouldn't have a physiological reaction to it, like the poster you quoted said he would have.  That seems a little ridiculous to me.  Seeing two lesbians in a Bioware romance scene wouldn't be the end of the world for me.  I have little concern for people who have such over-the-top reactions to the very idea of two guys doing some dry humping (really the extent of what you see in Bioware sex scenes) and maybe seeing a guy's ass.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not prone to recoil at the sight of anyone being intimate. Sure depending on the time and place it might make me uncomfortable but I'd just remove myself from the situation if it seemed like it was going to continue and/or escalate. I'm just saying I get some people (particularly straight guys) aren't able to cope as well as others might. Considering how ingrained it is for men to be masculine and eschew any and all things even remotely considered feminine, it's not surprising that when confronted with males being intimate with each other, heterosexual males have a negative reaction. I'm not saying that it's ok. I'm just saying I understand why it happens.

 

Consider that women are far less reactive to such things. I believe that's because society puts different types of pressures on females than males but in many ways females are a bit more free to be themselves. Sure the whole cavalcade of "pink things", "dresses" and "dolls" are foisted upon girls from day one, but when females deviate from things defined as strictly feminine it isn't as big a deal for them as it is for a male.

 

If a boy is seen playing with a doll, even if its say a Ken doll, he's ostracized mercilessly by his peers and many times even by family. On the other hand if a girl decides she wants to play with cars and robots rather than dolls and make up, it's not see as that big a deal. Sure, some of her peers may not "get it" but it doesn't frequently result in her becoming a social pariah for the rest of her young adult life. But you can be sure if that boy who played with a doll in front of his peers remains in that community, that incident will haunt him until he finally gets out of that community (typically after high school). I speak from personal experience on that one.

 

Not every person has the fortitude to live as themselves rather than what society says their "supposed to be", and in many cases if confronted with things that challenge the expectations they were raised with, straight males react defensively to anything that might challenge their perceived masculinity.

 

Cause obviously if you're straight and two guys holding hands doesn't bother you then there must be something wrong with you! /sarcasm


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#207
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So no evidence.

 

If you don't romance her, she always wins the pot no matter what. If you do romance her, you win the pot. This proves that she rigged the game in your favor, hence, dishonest.



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Dai Grepher

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But that's the wrong question. The question should be when dishonesty is OK , and when it isn't.

 

It isn't okay when cheating your friends out of their money or to patronize your romantic interest.



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It shows that she's manipulative. As her does her very first introductory scene - she actually tailors her comments to the irate noble to build off what the Inquisitor says; she makes it seem natural, but it's all affect. It's not dishonesty. None of the words associated with it - or it's plain meaning - fit with what Josephine does here, or generally. 

 

dis·hon·es·ty
disˈänəstē/
noun
noun: dishonesty
  1. deceitfulness shown in someone's character or behavior.
    "the dismissal of thirty civil servants for dishonesty and misconduct"
    synonyms: fraud, fraudulence, corruption, cheating, chicanerydouble-dealingdeceit,deceptionduplicitylying, falseness, falsityfalsehood, untruthfulness;More
     
     
     
     
    antonyms: probity
    • a fraudulent or deceitful act.
      plural noun: dishonesties

 

 

Manipulation isn't the same as dishonesty. Manipulation can be done through appealing to someone logically, emotionally, or financially, for example.
 



#210
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The big issue is the lack of variety actually. Vivienne, the ice queen should have been available, because it's the same between Cassandra and Josephine..


I liked the opposing view points that you got with Morrigan and Leli. You could roleplay a character in a bunch of different ways and still end up with a logical love interest.
 
My rebel mage and Cassandra hate each other, so no romance there. To me there is a gaping whole for an LI that can agree with you politically. For hetero females, this seems to be the same problem. Between Zevran/Alistair and Leli/Morrigan, you could find a fitting romance.


I think they just relied on different tropes this time. Leliana and Morrigan, and Merrill and Isabela were Betty And Veronica (with Alistair and Zevran as The Gentleman Or The Scoundrel).

In contrast, Cassandra and Josephine, who are very much alike in terms of social standing, religious beliefs, etc. are more of a Tomboy And Girly Girl contrast (as Morrigan, Leliana, Merrill, and Isabela are all physically very conventionally feminine).
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#211
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I liked Josephine as a character and really liked that we had a core character who was not combat focused at all (much like Traynor and Cortez, who were also great characters). I just wanted more material with her. The other advisors had an advantage because they were both present to some degree in the past two games. We got a good start to Josie as a person, but I think the game needed more screen time with her. What there was was good, though. I got the feeling from the Trespasser epilogue that she's not going to play a further role in the series, though.