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[Commandr_Shepard]

I'm not the only one upset with how ME3 ended up. Not just about the ending. Why I want a clean break from ME1-3 plot wise. Unless they retcon part 3 as a bad dream...

[pkypereira]

or if they somehow incorporate the happy ending mod

[Midnight Bliss]

I want to know about Shep and Kaidan's family after she blew up all those nasty reapers and he found her on the Citadel.

 

So no reboots please, thanks!

[ZipZap2000]

I'm not the only one upset with how ME3 ended up. Not just about the ending. Why I want a clean break from ME1-3 plot wise. Unless they retcon part 3 as a bad dream...

Just gonna throw together a story as an example of what I think is acceptable here.


The council had indoctrination detection tech like the Protheans, they sent Saren to investigate the reaper threat, all of which is secretly discovered in the beacon on Thessia.

Realising Saren is now indoctrinated and Sovereign is on the loose they hit the panic button.

Eden Prime was no mistake.

Enter Shepard and the Ark Contingency (Also found on the beacon)

The council now stymy Shepard because the Ark must remain secret. But Saren must be stopped. He cant learn too much.

Cover up of the Reaper attack to prevent panic.

Humans brought into council leading to Hackett getting Liara to Mars.They knew something was there.

Ark leaves.

This is where we break from the trilogy in whatever way they choose to. Either during before or just after ME2.

Add 1000 years for tech to evolve and they can do virtually anything in Andromeda without trashing the lore or needing to retcon anything.

[wright1978]

Definitely disagree i want the reason Colonists went to Andromeda spelt out. That can't be left hanging in the air or it will be utterly laughable.

[Drakoriz]

LOL i disagree, i really want ppl commenting about what happen on ME 1-2-3.

 

And since the last trailer we got, commander shepper is saying good bye to us, there is 0 change there wont be tide ins.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Agreed. I am totally in for fresh start.

[SNascimento]

And since the last trailer we got, commander shepper is saying good bye to us, there is 0 change there wont be tide ins.

I'd say that trailer shouldn't be taken literally. Shepard's message least of all. The only thing "legit" about that trailer is probably the ark. 

[I Am Robot]

Been confirmed in 30 different instances by 20 different people; still making threads about it. Bit salty?

[JamieCOTC]

Andromeda is a reboot. Hell, ME2 was practically a reboot. They just won't call it that.

[Chealec]

or if they somehow incorporate the happy ending mod

 

I've got no issue with the ending being bleak - I didn't like the logic, the starbrat or the fact that the choices you made through the game were supposed to matter; but they didn't, it came down to a button push.

 

I'd have been much happier if the game determined the ending based on the side-quests you'd completed and your galactic readiness and didn't actually tell you anything about why or how you'd gotten the ending you did. Even if they'd had pretty much the same outcomes but minus the starbrat and that final choice I think it would have been better.

 

Shepard activates the Citadel/Crucible and there's a massive feedback loop seems to kills him/her, however:

 

1: If (s)he sided with the Quarians and let the Geth die? Destroyed the Collector base in ME2? Triggers Destroy ending. If you've made peace with Quarians and Geth the Destroy beam only kills the Reapers. Low win-state Shep dies, high win-state (s)he lives and gets rescued.

 

2: Sided with TIM at the end of ME2 and salvaged the Collector Base? Sided with the Geth and let the Quarians die? Triggers Control ending. Low win-state Shep was indoctrinated and the cycle continues. High win-state, Reaper control is gained and Shep is melded into the Citadel/Crucible.

 

3: Too low a win-state and the feedback destroys the interface and Shep and the "beam" never fires; Shep dies and the cycle continues.

 

 

No unnecessary starbrat ... and let's just forget about Synthesis.

 

I neither want, nor need, some convoluted space construct to (poorly) explain the reason behind the Reapers - Leviathan gave enough of an info-dump. It's not like I'm going to sympathise with the giant, genocidal space robots and go, "Hey, you know what, you've got a point! Carry on".

 

 

For me, the best intro to ME:A would be that Shepard failed. The Cycle is continuing and the only hope for the continued existence of the MW races is to get away from the Reapers sphere of influence. The remaining survivors have no idea whether going to Andromeda is actually going to work, whether there aren't Reapers or something just as bad there already ... but they've basically got no real choice.

 

Yes - I am a miserable b******, why do you ask?

[AlleyD]

Just gonna throw together a story as an example of what I think is acceptable here.

The council had indoctrination detection tech like the Protheans, they sent Saren to investigate the reaper threat, all of which is secretly discovered in the beacon on Thessia.

Realising Saren is now indoctrinated and Sovereign is on the loose they hit the panic button.

Eden Prime was no mistake.

Enter Shepard and the Ark Contingency (Also found on the beacon)

The council now stymy Shepard because the Ark must remain secret. But Saren must be stopped. He cant learn too much.

Cover up of the Reaper attack to prevent panic.

Humans brought into council leading to Hackett getting Liara to Mars.They knew something was there.

Ark leaves.

This is where we break from the trilogy in whatever way they choose to. Either during before or just after ME2.

Add 1000 years for tech to evolve and they can do virtually anything in Andromeda without trashing the lore or needing to retcon anything.

 

I hope you don't mind if I play along a little

 

End of Prothean era. The Protheans were dispersed by Reapers and Indoctrinated forces. Some decided to hide out the storm in ancient, secret or decomissioned bunkers that were off the grid. One was Ilos, one Eden Prime, but one other group pf Protheans escaped into the obscure Sol system and rendered the relay in the system Inert. They chose to settle in a defunct research base in Mars and begin research into 2 massive projects. The options were the Crucible project and an ARK, the Protheans chose the ARK, believing the Crucible to be too insane a strategy. The ARK was completed and the Prothean Remnant left the now resource depleted Sol system. The Protheans had chose not to destroy the former base, believing the inhabitants on the system's Garden world too primitive and self destructive to evolve space flight within the timescale of a Reaper Cycle.

 

Human  Discovery of Mass Effect physics 2148. Lore states that humans gained a working, practical understanding of Mass Effect physics in a matter of months, even capable of restarting an Inert relay and obtained the ability to construct vehicles that could use the technology almost immediately. This could only be achieved by use of a Prothean cypher beacon and with the technology already in place. The discovery being made by employess of the Eldfell Ashland corporation, specifically the young Jonah Ashland, the receiver of the Cypher. Eldfell Ashland already had a near total monopoly on Inner Sol astro mining and energy exploitation, but this hypercharged leap in technologies consolidated the corporations monopoly on space exploration and exploitation.

 

Human integration into Council politics and expansion into Attican Traverse. Ashland became the conduit for Humanity to be integrated into Council political and economic society. Negotiating and gifting Prothean artifacts and data to politically powerful Asari on the Citadel (one being the Asari consort who received some priceless Prothean jewellery.)  A cross-species consortium was formed that would use Eldfell Ashland as its public face and begin a concentrated expansion in the Attican Traverse. The targets were systems that had previous Prothean presence previously unknown until the Mars data archive was revealed.

 

An opposing political faction in the Council Races arose through the Turians, personified by Saren who's felt grief and loss of honor due to the actions of his brother. Humans became a focus for his hate and he and his allies began to attempt to counter the expansion wave using Batarians. It was through this connection that Saren discovered Sovereign, who was able to manipulate his hatred of humans and Beneziah who was concerned that the discoery of the Thessian Beacon would be revealed to the galaxy by humans discovering another Prothean data archive.

 

2 seconds after Sovereign's destruction, The beginning of a Reaper Tech arms race between the former Allies. The official investigation worked with 35% of the remains of the Reaper and Geth technologies, but the remaining 65% disappearred off the Citadel into the Black world of advanced weapons tech research. Each race was allied in public, but underneath the public facade a vicious MIC cold war was brewing between the races that had fatal consequences in the invasion.

 

One faction held itself above the politics, EAE were a multi species co-operative philosophy and had collected enough data to know that the Political climate of the galaxy could not withstand a Reaper Invasion. The corporation began operations to build an ARK vessel off the grid off the Council network and began using EAE corporation to identify and recruit the best colonists across the spectrum of Council species. EAE already was the galaxy's most aggressive expansionist corporation and the ARKCON project looked nothing more than a standard recruitment drive.

 

The other species and factions in the galaxy in 2183-2186 were too busy concentrating on each other to pay much attention to the ARKCON project. The Protheans had mastered technologies to resist immense gravitational forces; the Collector base being an example of this technology and this was applied to the ARK constructed by EAE which is designed to use the immense gravitational force of the Galactic hub's super massive black hole to slingshot it out of the galaxy.

[Chardonney]

1: If (s)he sided with the Quarians and let the Geth die? Destroyed the Collector base in ME2? Triggers Destroy ending. If you've made peace with Quarians and Geth the Destroy beam only kills the Reapers. Low win-state Shep dies, high win-state (s)he lives and gets rescued.

 

 

This would have been perfect ending for me and I wouldn't have needed the MEHEM. Too bad we got the so called "artistic" vision instead.

[Novak]

No. 

The End

[BatarianBob]

There's no good reason to reboot a franchise this young.  If they've screwed it up that badly already, dump it and start a new IP.

[Balsam Beige]

I am resigned to the fact that there will be a connection to the original trilogy.

I just want the intro of when, how and why we are going to Andromeda to be well written and make sense with the lore already established.

I still get sick feeling in my stomach every time I think of the original ending nonsense. I don't want to puke after the first twenty minutes of Andromeda.

[Andrew Lucas]

Andromeda is a reboot. Hell, ME2 was practically a reboot. They just won't call it that.

No, ME3 was a reboot.

[The Baconer]

I feel like most of the people in here don't even know what a reboot is. 

[spinachdiaper]

A ME reboot would likely fallow the outline of how Alien 5 is rumored to flush Alien 3 & Resurrection down the drain like they never happened and directly sequel Aliens. Essentially A ME Reboot would likely go back to right after the ending of ME1 or ME 2, since ME3 was the one that wreaked the whole trilogy. On a side note a Scifi franchise that needs it is Halo and 343i should take another crack at Halo 5 while flushing Guardians like it never happened.

[Lady Artifice]

I feel like most of the people in here don't even know what a reboot is. 

 

Terms are used so loosely around here, they tend to loose their meaning. Retcon, reboot, deus ex machina. They might as be just shorthand for "change I like/change I don't like." 

[JamieCOTC]

No, ME3 was a reboot.

 I wouldn't doubt it.

[BatarianBob]

ME1 was rebooted when you went to Feros.  Then again at Virmire.  I think there was a third reboot at some point after Wrex said "Shepard", but before Shepard replied "Wrex".

[PlatonicWaffles]

If they just retconned the endings and made it so that the Reapers died and the other synthetics lived, and that everything else went on as normal, I wouldn't care one bit.

[ZipZap2000]

I hope you don't mind if I play along a little

End of Prothean era. The Protheans were dispersed by Reapers and Indoctrinated forces. Some decided to hide out the storm in ancient, secret or decomissioned bunkers that were off the grid. One was Ilos, one Eden Prime, but one other group pf Protheans escaped into the obscure Sol system and rendered the relay in the system Inert. They chose to settle in a defunct research base in Mars and begin research into 2 massive projects. The options were the Crucible project and an ARK, the Protheans chose the ARK, believing the Crucible to be too insane a strategy. The ARK was completed and the Prothean Remnant left the now resource depleted Sol system. The Protheans had chose not to destroy the former base, believing the inhabitants on the system's Garden world too primitive and self destructive to evolve space flight within the timescale of a Reaper Cycle.

Human Discovery of Mass Effect physics 2148. Lore states that humans gained a working, practical understanding of Mass Effect physics in a matter of months, even capable of restarting an Inert relay and obtained the ability to construct vehicles that could use the technology almost immediately. This could only be achieved by use of a Prothean cypher beacon and with the technology already in place. The discovery being made by employess of the Eldfell Ashland corporation, specifically the young Jonah Ashland, the receiver of the Cypher. Eldfell Ashland already had a near total monopoly on Inner Sol astro mining and energy exploitation, but this hypercharged leap in technologies consolidated the corporations monopoly on space exploration and exploitation.

Human integration into Council politics and expansion into Attican Traverse. Ashland became the conduit for Humanity to be integrated into Council political and economic society. Negotiating and gifting Prothean artifacts and data to politically powerful Asari on the Citadel (one being the Asari consort who received some priceless Prothean jewellery.) A cross-species consortium was formed that would use Eldfell Ashland as its public face and begin a concentrated expansion in the Attican Traverse. The targets were systems that had previous Prothean presence previously unknown until the Mars data archive was revealed.

An opposing political faction in the Council Races arose through the Turians, personified by Saren who's felt grief and loss of honor due to the actions of his brother. Humans became a focus for his hate and he and his allies began to attempt to counter the expansion wave using Batarians. It was through this connection that Saren discovered Sovereign, who was able to manipulate his hatred of humans and Beneziah who was concerned that the discoery of the Thessian Beacon would be revealed to the galaxy by humans discovering another Prothean data archive.

2 seconds after Sovereign's destruction, The beginning of a Reaper Tech arms race between the former Allies. The official investigation worked with 35% of the remains of the Reaper and Geth technologies, but the remaining 65% disappearred off the Citadel into the Black world of advanced weapons tech research. Each race was allied in public, but underneath the public facade a vicious MIC cold war was brewing between the races that had fatal consequences in the invasion.

One faction held itself above the politics, EAE were a multi species co-operative philosophy and had collected enough data to know that the Political climate of the galaxy could not withstand a Reaper Invasion. The corporation began operations to build an ARK vessel off the grid off the Council network and began using EAE corporation to identify and recruit the best colonists across the spectrum of Council species. EAE already was the galaxy's most aggressive expansionist corporation and the ARKCON project looked nothing more than a standard recruitment drive.

The other species and factions in the galaxy in 2183-2186 were too busy concentrating on each other to pay much attention to the ARKCON project. The Protheans had mastered technologies to resist immense gravitational forces; the Collector base being an example of this technology and this was applied to the ARK constructed by EAE which is designed to use the immense gravitational force of the Galactic hub's super massive black hole to slingshot it out of the galaxy.

I don't mind.

[AresKeith]

Terms are used so loosely around here, they tend to loose their meaning. Retcon, reboot, deus ex machina. They might as be just shorthand for "change I like/change I don't like."

BSN where terms go to die