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[Nefla]

Well then I have bad news for you. This is the same team that forced our Inquisitors to wear the red formal attire because they were too lazy to program a severed left arm modification into each wardrobe outfit. I would even go so far as to predict that all (ex)Inquisitors will be wearing the same outfit in DA4. Same design. Same color scheme.

 

I also won't buy it, but my bar is that the Hero of Ferelden return. I might be able to stomach a quest-giving Inquisitor or as an adviser, but they can't just keep ignoring the Hero of this story. Personally, I would like to see my Inquisitor return using Stone Fist as a functional arm. But I know that would be asking far too much of BioWare.

I hope we know who the protagonist will be soon! I'm choosing to hope for the best but expect the worst, and if the worst happens I won't be crushed, (that ship sailed a long time ago!) I'll just move on and leave DA in the past like I did for Mass Effect.

[Dai Grepher]

It will likely be a new character, continuing the tradition. As for what kind of character, likely someone in Tevinter or possibly Seheron. A human of any class, from soporotti to altus. An elf of any status, from slave to initiate. Even a dwarf could make an appearance, as Tevinter deals with dwarves all the time for lyrium. A qunari would be tricky to implement. They would have to be either Vashoth or Tal-Vashoth. I don't see a Qunari working toward anything other than Tevinter's destruction. But even Vashoth would have difficulty moving about in Tevinter. Maybe if the game revolves around covert operations then it could work.

 

I just don't see what the (ex)Inquisitor plans to do in Tevinter. Find some useful people Solas doesn't know, okay. Steal acquire information on magical items, the Veil, elvhen history? Investigate certain sites where elvhen temples may have been built over just in case those hold information? Then what?

 

I think MY Inquisitor's first order of business would be finding a way to block petrification. Next, find the Hero and the Champion. The cure won't be of any use if the entire world is destroyed (though the cure was likely found by now), and the status of the Warden Order won't matter either. Try to contact Valta. If her titan was upset just by the Breach, then it will be in for a major shock if the entire Veil drops. Work with the auger of Stonebear Hold and the spirits to see if they can learn more about the Crossroads dimension and the nature of the Fade. Have the Divine (Vivienne) work with the mages to prepare them mentally and emotionally for what might come, as I suspect they will be desperately needed if the Veil falls. Also have them research ways to strengthen the Veil or emanate its same magic, or how to strengthen the real world's composition against the magic of the Fade.

 

This is another place where Trespasser messed up. The alliances with Orlais and Ferelden are needed now more than ever, and those countries need the Inquisition as well to coordinate the effort.

[AlanC9]

Well then I have bad news for you. This is the same team that forced our Inquisitors to wear the red formal attire because they were too lazy to program a severed left arm modification into each wardrobe outfit.

That sounds like a waste of effort for a 30 second scene, especially since the previous scene was going to use the uniform anyway.

[TheKomandorShepard]

What you call laziness, I call the reality of not having infinite time/funds...

 

Anyway, I certainly hope we get to play an underground Inquisition for DA4.

 

That what bioware is doing isn't enforced by reality only da team being unable to be smart and competent (and partly being lazy) when it comes to import function.ME , as i said another topic did somewhat decent job with import while da does terrible with it.  

[AlanC9]

Really? I've seen ME get plenty of grief over its weak import system. DA not so much, except for the bugs.

Not that ME actually did badly, but when you try to do more, it gives you more ways to disappoint.

[Abyss108]

That what bioware is doing isn't enforced by reality only da team being unable to be smart and competent (and partly being lazy) when it comes to import function.ME , as i said another topic did somewhat decent job with import while da does terrible with it.  

 

Right, right, I'm sure they sit around their offices having naps instead of working on the game. 

 

If you think Bioware is incompetent, or dumb for not doing a particular feature you want, that's one thing, but to think it's due to laziness is ridiculous, and frankly shows you have no idea how much work any feature actually is.

 

I'm seen people accuse Bioware of being lazy when complaining about content that only made it into the game because the staff worked weekend overtime when they didn't have too. 

[Scofield]

TBH i dont want to see the inquisitor again, i do want BioWare to do a trilogy set in Thedas though, maybe have the pc as a human/elf slave in Tevinter and do a "rise to power" theme again but done correctly this time.

 

never liked any TW games simple cause i cant stand the combat, but i defer would/will buy the companies game if/when it is not a witcher game an if it a different combat style, i would say though (going by videos i seen only) they do leave BioWare way behind in the aesthetics n character models departments

[Dai Grepher]

That sounds like a waste of effort for a 30 second scene, especially since the previous scene was going to use the uniform anyway.

 

And what previous scene would that be? I was referring to both the scene where we return to the council room and the Haven basement.

[Dai Grepher]

Right, right, I'm sure they sit around their offices having naps instead of working on the game. 

 

If you think Bioware is incompetent, or dumb for not doing a particular feature you want, that's one thing, but to think it's due to laziness is ridiculous, and frankly shows you have no idea how much work any feature actually is.

 

I'm seen people accuse Bioware of being lazy when complaining about content that only made it into the game because the staff worked weekend overtime when they didn't have too. 

 

No, they have an idea and then do the least amount of work possible to implement it.

 

It isn't about not reading our minds for what we would like to have done. It's about not implementing their own ideas with any quality.

 

Yeah, some criticism is unwarranted, but a lot of it is. Another example is Teagan wrongly identifying the ruler of Orlais. BioWare couldn't even be bothered to beta test that? Lazy!

[Abyss108]

No, they have an idea and then do the least amount of work possible to implement it.

 

It isn't about not reading our minds for what we would like to have done. It's about not implementing their own ideas with any quality.

 

Yeah, some criticism is unwarranted, but a lot of it is. Another example is Teagan wrongly identifying the ruler of Orlais. BioWare couldn't even be bothered to beta test that? Lazy!

 

OK, sure, you obviously have no idea how software development actually works, keep living in your little world where everything is as simple as "laziness".

[TheKomandorShepard]

Right, right, I'm sure they sit around their offices having naps instead of working on the game. 

 

If you think Bioware is incompetent, or dumb for not doing a particular feature you want, that's one thing, but to think it's due to laziness is ridiculous, and frankly shows you have no idea how much work any feature actually is.

 

I'm seen people accuse Bioware of being lazy when complaining about content that only made it into the game because the staff worked weekend overtime when they didn't have too. 

 

Fact of working doesn't contradict fact of being lazy , what matters is how you work not only that you work. Pretty much how they handle decisions from previous games leaves a lot to desire, they don't even try they just enforce same outcome for everyone to ridiculous degree often without even bothering to explain, what is just laziness not just inability to handle import system.

 

As i said all you need to do is just compare da import to mass effect import to see that with effort and some resourcefulness you can have quite decent import system.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Fact of working doesn't contradict fact of being lazy , what matters is how you work not only that you work. Pretty much how they handle decisions from previous games leaves a lot to desire, they don't even try they just enforce same outcome for everyone to ridiculous degree often without even bothering to explain, what is just laziness not just inability to handle import system.

 

As i said all you need to do is just compare da import to mass effect import to see that with effort and some resourcefulness you can have quite decent import system.

In part i agree with you,because i think that import system isn't relevant enough to justify it's use in this franchise however in part i think that some choices are respected in the keep.

. i e kill archdemon with Loghain and they stay both dead or don't kill Leliana ecc.

some choices are not nullified or retconned some others instead are poorly treated imho like.

 

-leliana killed

-OGB plot nullification

and several others

not an issue for me tbt i never picked those choices..

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

In part i agree with you,because i think that import system isn't relevant enough to justify it's use in this franchise however in part i think that some choices are respected in the keep.

. i e kill archdemon with Loghain and they stay both dead or don't kill Leliana ecc.

some choices are not nullified or retconned some others instead are poorly treated imho like.

 

-leliana killed

-OGB plot nullification

and several others

not an issue for me tbt i never picked those choices..

 

 

I would argue with that as choices that aren't dismissed and brought to one single outcome are purely cosmetic anyway , who did you put on Ferelden throne or who is warden contact are irrelevant as it changes nothing, king/queen make same decisions even if it is OOC and who is warden affects almost nothing outside slightly altered dialogues.  

 

Killing Loghain has no effect in Dai , while Leliana being alive isn't even a choice as she is always alive and your decision to kill/not kill/romance doesn't affect anything and only grants you few extra dialogue lines end outcome is exactly the same.

 

I would say there is no single choice from previous games that affects main quest or even side quest in dragon age (with few exceptions in da 2).

[Bizantura]

Glad I can play both games being DAI and Witcher3.

 

Both RPG's and thats te extent of it = totally different games and gameplay.

 

I allways find it silly that people that don't play one or the other has the most critique of the game they don't play.  Often times don't want to play but go on a ranting rampage of what exactly?  Assumptions and those are poor realities.

[Abyss108]

I would argue with that as choices that aren't dismissed and brought to one single outcome are purely cosmetic anyway , who did you put on Ferelden throne or who is warden contact are irrelevant as it changes nothing, king/queen make same decisions even if it is OOC and who is warden affects almost nothing outside slightly altered dialogues.  

 

Killing Loghain has no effect in Dai , while Leliana being alive isn't even a choice as she is always alive and your decision to kill/not kill/romance doesn't affect anything and only grants you few extra dialogue lines end outcome is exactly the same.

 

I would say there is no single choice from previous games that affects main quest or even side quest in dragon age (with few exceptions in da 2).

 

So basically you just want the game to be a series of cameos of what choices you made in the previous game, even though the plot is completely unrelated. Sounds like you just want another Mass Effect, which isn't what Dragon Age is meant to be.

[Arshei]

Oh, yeah, the Witcher comparisons are way too much.

 

Witcher does EVERYTHING right apparently...

Except characters, story, gameplay, soundtrack... Those are all I find uncompelling about the entire Witcher series...

 

Uncompelling?

Really?

If the characters and the story of the Witcher would be "uncompelling" they wouldn't have 8 books, in soundtrack Inquisition win just because of the bard songs, but I am tired of hearing the music of the romance scene/friendly scene every time. Very lazy. (They even used again the song of DA:O in a bard song)

The gameplay... This area is pretty subjective.

And well... I bet if DA:I and Witcher 3 were released the same year W3 would have won. DA:I win because it haven't really competence.

Witcher 3 have to fight FO4 and MGS.

[Abyss108]

Uncompelling?

Really?

If the characters and the story of the Witcher would be "uncompelling" they wouldn't have 8 books, in soundtrack Inquisition win just because of the bard songs, but I am tired of hearing the music of the romance scene/friendly scene every time. Very lazy. (They even used again the song of DA:O in a bard song)

The gameplay... This area is pretty subjective.

And well... I bet if DA:I and Witcher 3 were released the same year W3 would have won. DA:I win because it haven't really competence.

Witcher 3 have to fight FO4 and MGS.

 

Well by this argument, Dragon Age is more compelling because it has more than 8 books. Not that this argument makes any sense. How exactly is a game magically more compelling just because it has a series of books which may or may not be compelling by themselves?

 

I promise you, if you give me the rights to the most compelling books in existence, I could still make an utterly uncompelling game.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Well by this argument, Dragon Age is more compelling because it has more than 8 books. Not that this argument makes any sense. How exactly is a game magically more compelling just because it has a series of books which may or may not be compelling by themselves?

 

I promise you, if you give me the rights to the most compelling books in existence, I could still make an utterly uncompelling game.

 

 

The Dragon Age novels are based on video games are not "legit" novels because they're considered nothing more than a licenced product. 

[Abyss108]

The Dragon Age novels are based on video games are not "legit" novels because they're considered nothing more than a licenced product. 

 

So how does this make a book that isn't based on a game more compelling? It's completely unrelated. 

 

I've read some terrible books that are not based on video games, the fact that they were "legit" as you put it, did not make them magically compelling. And you could take the most the most compelling book in the world, and still make a terrible game from it. The fact that a game has a book can not be used as an argument for whether or not a game is compelling.

[Riot Inducer]

I promise you, if you give me the rights to the most compelling books in existence, I could still make an utterly uncompelling game.

 

Truth right here. The Witcher might be an incredible series of novels but almost all of it was lost on me jumping into the first Witcher game. I literally fell asleep during the section where you have to solve some sort of murder mystery with a private investigator, and by the time I got through it I was so uninterested in the story & characters that I just stopped playing. 

[Arshei]

Well by this argument, Dragon Age is more compelling because it has more than 8 books. Not that this argument makes any sense. How exactly is a game magically more compelling just because it has a series of books which may or may not be compelling by themselves?

 

I promise you, if you give me the rights to the most compelling books in existence, I could still make an utterly uncompelling game.

 

Then what?

Cassandra changed magically her voice from her movie to the game?
Alistair is dead in my game, that means he magically resurrected and is king now because of his comic?

What If I killed Wynne myself?

[Abyss108]

Then what?

Cassandra changed magically her voice from her movie to the game?
Alistair is dead in my game, that means he magically resurrected and is king now because of his comic?

What If I killed Wynne myself?

 

You said the Witcher is compelling because it has books. I pointed out this was a rediculous argument that made no sense. It seems you now agree with me, since you are pointing out ways that books have not made a game instantly more compelling for you.

[Arshei]

You said the Witcher is compelling because it has books. I pointed out this was a rediculous argument that made no sense. It seems you now agree with me, since you are pointing out ways that books have not made a game instantly more compelling for you.

 

Amm.... The games of Witcher are a continuation of the books, a non-canon continuation. The books, novels, comics, of Dragon Age all of them aren't related to the game.

[Abyss108]

Amm.... The games of Witcher 3 are a continuation of the books, a non-canon continuation. The books, novels, comics, of Dragon Age all of them aren't related to the game.

 

And how is this relavent when your entire argument was "the witcher is compelling because it has books"? Books are not inherently compelling, and also have zero relation to whether a related game is.

[Arshei]

And how is this relavent when your entire argument was "the witcher is compelling because it has books"? Books are not inherently compelling, and also have zero relation to whether a related game is.

 

He said the Witcher have a shitty story, if the witcher have a shitty history why there are 8 books of this?