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[HuldraDancer]

Not a vent at all but since the topic is kind of on blondes at the moment I would like to thank the OP for making that thread. Because of it I'm running the Saints Row games again with a blonde boss and she has so far been my favorite

[Lady Artifice]

Certainly going somewhere. SjW conspiracy ftw.

 

Personally i am hoping for a blonde with a long ponytail, who is also a tech nerd. Engineer class would fit her perfectly. Also make her bi please. 

 

That is...Almost exactly what I have in mind.

 

Is yours also British, charming, and a little cocky?

 

 

The same, well, not a death threat but a threat of bodily harm had they known where I was mixed in with some choice insults. 

 

I figured until more details for MEA come out I'll stick to Dragon Age stuff.

 

Welcome, dragonflight!

[Akrabra]

That is...Almost exactly what I have in mind.

 

Is yours also British, charming, and a little cocky?

I hadn't settled on the nationality and accent yet, but charming and cocky is indeed personal traits. So who should voice act?

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm trying to save the Blondes thread. Folks started debating about Dorian's ethnicity, which is a great way to get a fun thread locked. I've politely requested folks to take that debate to PM. The Godwin was bad enough; Lady doesn't need this too.

[Biotic Apostate]

I'm trying to save the Blondes thread. Folks started debating about Dorian's ethnicity, which is a great way to get a fun thread locked. I've politely requested folks to take that debate to PM. The Godwin was bad enough; Lady doesn't need this too.

Make it stop. What is there to debate? The devs have said multiple times the closest real life analogue is Indian and that he is 100% not white. Why do people need to whip out colour swatches and "Tevinter is Rome" arguments over and over again. Just...ugh.

[nightscrawl]

OH, you want to link a source for the Dorian thing? You can post this quote from DG, from this video.
 

We brought up the idea that maybe he could be from eastern Tevinter where darker skin tones are more prevalent. The artist thought, “Hm, perhaps we could go for something that seemed more Arabic or East Indian.” Why? Because at the time we had plenty of white people in the cast already and this made him stand out. It gave him some immediate character.

 
BOOM, instant proof.
 
At any rate, Rome had so many different kinds of people simply because so many different kinds of people were Roman citizens due to their conquest. It's only natural that some of those would migrate to the capital.

There are also remarks about his VA from DG's tumblr.

 

Tevinter is very large and varied. Dorian is not white. I really don't know what to think of anyone who claims he is... They certainly weren't paying attention when his father walked into the room.

 

 

[edit]

Yes, I realize you were trying to veer away from the topic, but still XD.

 

How did that come up in a thread about blondes, anyway?

Modifié par nightscrawl, 01 mars 2016 - 11:17 .

[Biotic Apostate]

^Or this.

And that's fair!

 

Though I heard apparently the whole thing was 'trolling', which is kind of even sadder.

 

Given the 'make Isabella whiter' mod in DA2, it's something I'm a little twitchy about.

 

EDIT: Indian would be the closest real world analogue.

Multiple sources and all that. Really, the whole discussion is verging on offensive. I think every POC in BW games is subjected to this weird scrutiny.

[Grieving Natashina]

@Night I'll remember that in case I want to derail one of the ridiculous troll threads that pop up. I read the same thing, and I remember the controversy over it. That's why my instant reaction to that topic showing up is, "ABORT! ABORT!"

[nightscrawl]

There was a really creepy thread about Vivienne a while back and this one person kept insisting that Bioware basically intentionally did not make her a LI to deprive them of a black female. Various terms were thrown around, including "chocolate" and "Nubian," and it was all very fetishistic and creepy. And of course Isabela isn't black enough, and also a black Jezebel stereotype, so she doesn't count. Did I say it was creepy? It was really terrible and I'm so glad the thread eventually died.

 

Though I've gotta say that "whip[ping] out colour swatches" is the perfect phrase for some of it.

[Grieving Natashina]

BRB, grabbing popcorn. I must have missed this one when I was away from the forums for the better part of three months. I'll read the whole thing. Possible venting when I come back.

Edit: I see it starts so innocently too....

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh, this is from '14. <goes back to reading>

[nightscrawl]

^ LOL it must have been necro'd recently then. I didn't even know that when I posted in it. You'll see me, daveliam, and Vertigomez, and perhaps some others in there trying to reign it in, to no avail. Then I exploded on page 11 and left the thread. Enjoy haha.

[Grieving Natashina]

Holy Murdered Bananas. That guy is something else. Sadly enough, I predicted that would be a reaction that would come up. "Mary Kirby/BW are racist for not making Vivienne a LI." Jeebus.

"Those characters aren't black enough to count." Seriously? WTF? Is it that freaking hard to state a preference without sexism, or "SJW" or accusations of "ciswhite craplords" or racism coming into it some way?

No need answer that. It's a rhetorical question.

[daveliam]

Oh, my turn to add to the venting thread!

 

In the "gaylien" thread, I'm being told that because I disagree with the statement that "Bioware doesn't care about gay men", my concern for gay men is "dubious at best"......

 

Oh, and apparently Kaidan isn't actually bisexual because his romance is just "a mod" that allows gay men to access content for femShep........

 

Oh, and Iron Bull is "effectively heterosexual" as well.

[Grieving Natashina]

--Oh goodie. I can add that to the posters that said that Dorian was a Knight In Shining Armor, and we when disagreed, they said we hated the character. Not to mention that BioWare gives more of a damn about doing decent LGBT+ characters than a lot of AAA publishers.

--Oh goodie, that again. Kaidan is the ME equivalent of Anders when it comes to b*tching about how a character's sexuality magically changed. And apparently the person has never used a romance mod for a character not intended to be romanced by the PC's gender.

-- Really? Weren't people convinced that IB had to be gay because he was into men? I can just hear it now:

"Guys aren't bi. They are just doing it to get women/they are gay and don't know it yet. Bi women are hawt though."

[daveliam]

And, from the other side of the absolutist arguments in that thread, I'm being told that because Bioware does more for LGBT people than other developers, we shouldn't be critiquing them because it's ungrateful.

 

It's like people lack the ability to stand anywhere but the extremes......

[Biotic Apostate]

Oh, my turn to add to the venting thread!

 

In the "gaylien" thread, I'm being told that because I disagree with the statement that "Bioware doesn't care about gay men", my concern for gay men is "dubious at best"......

 

Oh, and apparently Kaidan isn't actually bisexual because his romance is just "a mod" that allows gay men to access content for femShep........

 

Oh, and Iron Bull is "effectively heterosexual" as well.

Let me guess, Midnight Bliss strikes again? *looks over* Oh no, so surprising. 

 

"Dorian- The ultimate gay male stereotype and queer man cliché who was marketed toward women who want a gay BFF | women who want a "gay boyfriend/husband' | enlightened "progressive" men who think sex acts with males makes them seem tolerant and show they aren't bigots | yaoi hounds | easy to placate gay people/gay rights organizations"

 

What. Just.

 

Staying away from the MEA forum was a good decision.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm enjoying being on the ME:A forums...sometimes. Other times, it's like my ignore list is magically filling up.

Midnight Bliss? Huh, I thought they were already on my ignore list. Time to fix that real quick. They are entitled to their opinons, but I'd rather not read them. My blood pressure has been high enough lately as it is.

[nightscrawl]

Oh, and apparently Kaidan isn't actually bisexual because his romance is just "a mod" that allows gay men to access content for femShep........

I haven't even played any of the ME games, but that is just awful.
 

Oh, and Iron Bull is "effectively heterosexual" as well.

While I don't agree with that particular phrasing, there have been similar remarks about IB in the KISA thread, how he only remarks about female NPCs, only female NPCs gossip about sleeping with him, the only males he has a relationship with are the Inquisitor and Dorian.

During the time of DA2, when there were various threads about the "all bi" romances, there were similar comments. But this goes back to people not being required to broadcast or provide proof that they are whatever. BUT, I think it's a fine line. I can see how some gay players might feel like their romance is an afterthought, especially when some of those players also feel that Adoribull is a "better" pairing.

 

--Oh goodie. I can add that to the posters that said that Dorian was a Knight In Shining Armor, and we when disagreed, they said we hated the character.

I adore Dorian. Everyone here knows this. But as competent, skillful, intelligent, and strong as I think he is, he is not a KISA. That's just silly.

 

 

"Gaylien" is a great name for the topic, though. XD

[daveliam]

While I don't agree with that particular phrasing, there have been similar remarks about IB in the KISA thread, how he only remarks about female NPCs, only female NPCs gossip about sleeping with him, the only males he has a relationship with are the Inquisitor and Dorian.

During the time of DA2, when there were various threads about the "all bi" romances, there were similar comments. But this goes back to people not being required to broadcast or provide proof that they are whatever. BUT, I think it's a fine line. I can see how some gay players might feel like their romance is an afterthought, especially when some of those players also feel that Adoribull is a "better" pairing.
 

 

I do think that Iron Bull is yet another bisexual (pansexual) guy whose preference for females is clear.  Much like Sky, Zevran, DAA Anders, and Kaidan.  In fact, the only bisexual guy who doesn't show this is Fenris, which makes sense because Gaider wrote him with the male romance in mind.  Although, he does default to sleeping with Isabela if neither are romanced, so it does mean that he shows no interest in males outside of Hawke, but does show at least some interest in females if not romanced. 

 

But all of that being said, I don't think that this erases their bisexuality.  It's just an unfortunate trend that the writers tend to skew heavily towards bisexual guys with female preferences.

 

Where I differ from that other poster is that I don't view this as evidence that "Bioware doesn't care about gay guys" nor that the characters are "effectively heterosexual".  It's the extremist approach that he's taking that rubs me the wrong way.  I get why he's frustrated, because I'm also frustrated.  I just think that his approach isn't doing us any favors on the ME:A board when you have people like Killroy falling for all of Bunz's troll threads and actually blaming them on "SJWs". 

[SardaukarElite]

This is great, I've read through the new posts in this thread and now I have no desire to scout the ME boards today. 

 

Of course now I have to go find something else to do. 

[Steelcan]

I'm enjoying being on the ME:A forums...sometimes. Other times, it's like my ignore list is magically filling up.

Midnight Bliss? Huh, I thought they were already on my ignore list. Time to fix that real quick. They are entitled to their opinons, but I'd rather not read them. My blood pressure has been high enough lately as it is.

One day I'll actually put someone on my ignore list

[Grieving Natashina]

One day I'll actually put someone on my ignore list

I try to keep mine under 4 pages, and I go through it once every few months. Besides, some posters make me feel my braincells dying if I read their posts. You're a stronger soul than I am.

[nightscrawl]

I'm afraid I don't get the whole pansexual thing, no matter how many different explanations I've read. Is it just the fun new "bisexual" term? Did we need another term? The best thing I've seen is that bi is too binary, and that pan is pretty much everyone, regardless of gender expression.

 

At any rate, I totally agree on extremist approaches, especially when it comes to all of this subjective content. There are gay men who are perfectly happy with ALL of those characters that the poster mentioned, and their opinion should not be discounted.

 

 

As an aside, I did see that the poster mentioned Dorian's Trespasser content with "... the ever predictable we have to break up/separate story finale done as seen in 85% of gay male romance stories since antiquity."

 

It does rather sadden me to see remarks like this, even if it's a trope. (Is it?) I've seen this from various Dorian-mancers who act as if they were devastated by the way it played out and can only think that they just don't get it, or him, or the whole point of it all, then the entire romance is soured for them because of it.

 

As much as I don't like to discount people's feelings about stuff like this, I really can't help but think that they are being incredibly self-centered, completely disregarding everything Dorian actually says to his boyfriend, and being unfair to the character.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 02 mars 2016 - 01:11 .

[Steelcan]

I try to keep mine under 4 pages, and I go through it once every few months. Besides, some posters make me feel my braincells dying if I read their posts. You're a stronger soul than I am.

I've stuck through much worse than anything these people can muster up

 

besides I'd miss out on opportunities to mess with them if I ignored them