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[Steelcan]

I'm afraid I don't get the whole pansexual thing, no matter how many different explanations I've read. Is it just the fun new "bisexual" term? Did we need another term? The best thing I've seen is that bi is too binary, and that pan is pretty much everyone, regardless of gender expression.

 

that's basically the gist of it, your use of the term would only be predicated on how you view gender identity.  I'm more conservative than most people on here so I'd likely use bi for most situations, if someone self identifies as pan I won't raise an issue, there are more worthwhile fights to be had.

[daveliam]

One day I'll actually put someone on my ignore list

 

^ What did this guy say?  It just says "This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by Steelcan.  View it anyway?"

 

Just kidding!  Actually, I only have 8 people on ignore and most of them are really awful trolls that are long gone.  There is really only 1 active person who I have on ignore and I usually end up clicking on those the "view it anyway" button because I just can't help myself!

[SardaukarElite]

I think the last thing the internet needs right now is more divisive and absolute labels. And if you have to keep explaining something to people it kind of defeats the purpose of communication.

[Steelcan]

I never even put Plaintiff or Xil on there

[lynroy]

There was a really creepy thread about Vivienne a while back and this one person kept insisting that Bioware basically intentionally did not make her a LI to deprive them of a black female. Various terms were thrown around, including "chocolate" and "Nubian," and it was all very fetishistic and creepy. And of course Isabela isn't black enough, and also a black Jezebel stereotype, so she doesn't count. Did I say it was creepy? It was really terrible and I'm so glad the thread eventually died.

 

Though I've gotta say that "whip[ping] out colour swatches" is the perfect phrase for some of it.

OMG, I remember when that was necro'd and the kid just kept going and going and going and going and going and going and going...

[dragonflight288]

The "I Like Mother Giselle, but..." thread in Inquistion's story and characters section is pretty ridiculous. 

 

Someone is complaining that her lips are too big and that's because Bioware doesn't know how to properly make black people.

[Akrabra]

Looking at the ME:A forum do people even like Mass Effect? Just alot of nitpicking and "i could do this better than Bioware" attitude. Not saying that the games are perfect or anything, everything has its flaws etc, but wow!

[dragonflight288]

Looking at the ME:A forum do people even like Mass Effect? Just alot of nitpicking and "i could do this better than Bioware" attitude. Not saying that the games are perfect or anything, everything has its flaws etc, but wow!

 

Everyone's an expert and better than the developers in the forum. When someone talks about writing, they are writing experts. If they are talking about characters then they are experts on how not to make a character suck, regardless of how popular the character in question is. 

 

It's weird. 

[SporkFu]

It's depressing. I'm hoping that in the light of some Andromeda news, they'll all scurry back under the woodwork for awhile and we can have some positivity and excitement around the game instead. Yep, I'm an optimist.

[Biotic Apostate]

Don't know where to put this so...

http://www.polygon.c...aunch-date-2017

As I suspected earlier, Andromeda is pushed to 2017, for now it's Q1.

[nightscrawl]

I know you ME fans have been waiting a while, but that doesn't seem too bad! I'm hoping for a DA in '18.

[Biotic Apostate]

The next two years are getting crowded. Andromeda around March 2017, DA4 around late 2017 - early 2018, and somewhere between that the new IP? Also, don't forget ME3 came out in 2012, it will be 5 years of waiting, we never had to wait that long with DA

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Since the MEA forum is all dooooooom, I want to say I'm ok with the delay. After the incredibly buggy Fallout 4, I really prefer the devs to take their time.

[dragonflight288]

I'm looking forward to Scalebound, which is 2017. That looks interesting. 

[nightscrawl]

The next two years are getting crowded. Andromeda around March 2017, DA4 around late 2017 - early 2018, and somewhere between that the new IP? Also, don't forget ME3 came out in 2012, it will be 5 years of waiting, we never had to wait that long with DA :P

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Since the MEA forum is all dooooooom, I want to say I'm ok with the delay. After the incredibly buggy Fallout 4, I really prefer the devs to take their time.

 

DAO took six years to develop, but that was from the ground up when they were developing the IP and all that. I'm actually hoping that David Gaider's remarks about the plot arc of DAI being cut in half are going to benefit DA4 in terms of development time. I'm sure things will be changed from what he knew originally, but the point still stands. They have a lot of material to work with, just as they were able to fold in some of the elements of the scrapped DA2 expansion.

 

I only know one thing, whenever they actually do announce, whether it is via a teaser trailer of whathaveyou, I will be gone. I do regret my decision not to leave these forums for DAI even when I did, learning the follower names, the romance options and their sexualities, and so on. I'd like to be completely surprised and recapture some of the wonder I had with DAO and DA2 (I didn't post on the forums until after playing DA2).

 

 

I know it's silly to harp on the romance, but it might be fun to actually have to flirt with someone for a change -- and maybe get turned down! -- especially if they are going to go with set sexualities again (fingers crossed).

 

My canon plays are usually fem mages, and my first play and romance was Cullen; I had it all planned out before the game even arrived at my door. I don't normally flirt with people I don't intend to romance. I also knew Dorian was gay. For however much some people think he's obvious, I would have liked the opportunity to maybe be surprised during the tavern scene. But I will never know how I would have reacted, or what I might have thought, because I knew he was gay before ever meeting him in the game. Likewise, I never had any of my fems flirt with Cassandra. The only time I have flirted was with my second un-finished fem play where I wanted to go see how it played out with Dorian because information was scant at that time. (I don't actually like the option to say, "You led me on," but I wanted to see it.)

 

I know I can see all these flirts, and possible refusals, now if I want, but it's not the same as going in completely blind.

[Lady Artifice]

I'm not loving today. Dance class was cancelled, I didn't sell very much at work, and the MEA forum is a new kind of mess. 

 

Thank heavens I have you guys. 

 

 

It's depressing. I'm hoping that in the light of some Andromeda news, they'll all scurry back under the woodwork for awhile and we can have some positivity and excitement around the game instead. Yep, I'm an optimist.

 

 

I'd like to think the place will at least become a little less vicious. 

[SporkFu]

I'm not loving today. Dance class was cancelled, I didn't sell very much at work, and the MEA forum is a new kind of mess.

Thank heavens I have you guys.

I'd like to think the place will at least become a little less vicious.

Once again let me say thanks for the invite to the group It's nice to have a refuge.

[Steelcan]

 

I'd like to think the place will at least become a little less vicious. 

I wouldn't put money on that

 

its fine for me cause in the word's of one forum poster I "thrive off of civil wars in fandoms"

[Biotic Apostate]

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Origins, aside from the lore, had to work with a lot of setbacks with the engine, which they had to switch after they hit a wall. Still, I think that doesn't count, because we really didn't wait 6 years. Even after it was announced, it was an unknown. There's a big difference, in my opinion, between waiting for a new game and waiting for a franchise continuation. DA4 should take less time than DAI, since all of their tools and systems are implemented in Frostbite, so the dev process should be shorter.

 

I think the last time I didn't read about the romances before playing was Jade Empire. And because of that I missed Sky. I don't get much options, so I guess I prefer knowing. For me story spoilers are far worse. I got spoiled about Solas leaving (but thankfully not why) and about Blackwall not being Blackwall. That does take those moments away from me.

[nightscrawl]

Origins, aside from the lore, had to work with a lot of setbacks with the engine, which they had to switch after they hit a wall. Still, I think that doesn't count, because we really didn't wait 6 years. Even after it was announced, it was an unknown. There's a big difference, in my opinion, between waiting for a new game and waiting for a franchise continuation. DA4 should take less time than DAI, since all of their tools and systems are implemented in Frostbite, so the dev process should be shorter.

 

I think the last time I didn't read about the romances before playing was Jade Empire. And because of that I missed Sky. I don't get much options, so I guess I prefer knowing. For me story spoilers are far worse. I got spoiled about Solas leaving (but thankfully not why) and about Blackwall not being Blackwall. That does take those moments away from me.

 

I'm really looking forward to see what they do with Frostbite in the next game since they won't have to build things from scratch. And also with not being restricted by the older console gen (though I do feel for those folks).

 

I do totally get wanting to know the romance options though. I'd imagine it would be quite a bummer to see a particular LI, especially if flirt options are available for both genders, and be disappointed yet again.

 

 

Ooh vbibbi made a really interesting point in the gaylien thread which I'll admit I hadn't considered before, and it is interesting to compare ME to DA in this case.
 

And even now when we have games with multiple same sex romances, almost all LGBT content is confined to those romances and not actually visible in the rest of the game setting.

In DAO, there was Wade and Herren, but that was not officially confirmed until a bit after the game was released; I honestly don't remember how overt the Leliana/Marjorlaine implication was because it's been so long. In DA2, I don't recall that there was anything other than suggestions in the Blooming Rose; people have said Seamus (the Viscount's son) was gay or bi (and supposedly had a thing with his Qunari pal), but I've never seen it. Other than these examples, I can't recall any other suggestions of same-sex pairings among NPCs.

 

I'd say that DAI was a departure in that regard, particularly since we had a lot of exposure to Orlesians. There are numerous examples, including a tragic one in the civil war, of same-sex pairings and it's all presented as perfectly normal. It was nice to see, but unfortunately, it also carries with it the implication that Orlais is the exception, rather than the rule.

 

Hm... a cute non-Orlesian example would have been the young couple in the tavern on the dam in Crestwood, if they had been a same-sex pairing. Then again, the secretive vibe might have further (unintended by the devs) implications in that case, so maybe not.

 

The only non-Orlesian pairing I can think of was during the Hinterlands quest wherein you recruit the agent.

[Akrabra]

I'd like to think the place will at least become a little less vicious. 

It will, we will fix it! 

[Lady Artifice]

Once again let me say thanks for the invite to the group It's nice to have a refuge.

 

 

I'm so happy that the group is serving some purpose. I was half expecting that it would just be me talking to myself. 

 

Finally having so many of my favorite posters gathering in one place is the best part. 

[SporkFu]

I'm so happy that the group is serving some purpose. I was half expecting that it would just be me talking to myself.

Finally having so many of my favorite posters gathering in one place is the best part.

I see many familiar names from around the ME and DA forums: many I haven't really, or ever, interacted with yet, and it is cool to see some of the non-ME/DA interests people have and what they're about. Besides, I'm a Gemini. I like meeting new people.

[Biotic Apostate]

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There was also Zevran and Taliesen, but it was also just lightly hinted at, like Saemus and Ashaad were (I think Gaider confirmed the romance, but I'm not sure).

 

There was also this codex entry in Hinterlands

http://dragonage.wik...nd_Forest_Villa

Arl Jacen Guerrin build the Villa for his male lover. I also vaguely remember a note about two women in Hinterlands having a romantic picnic. I guess we had much more turmoil in Ferelden than Orlais. In the latter, we get to see normal life, in the former mostly war. Still, Antiva is more open, and we have yet to hear anything about Anderfels, Rivain, and Nevarra. Or even the Free Marches. For all we know, Ferelden with their discretion, and Tevinter with their forced marriages might be the only places where same-sex couples have a harder life.

[nightscrawl]

Ah dammit, I did forget about the codex entry, silly because I've always liked the sweetness of the burial. Arl Jacen's Ride has such great potential as a tavern song, I'm almost disappointed that none of the writers tried their hand at it; potentially more subtle than The Bear and the Maiden Fair (from A Song of Ice and Fire / Game of Thrones), but with the right wording it could be awesome. I prefer clever subtlety over overt lewdness, as in the Bear song, and that seems more Ferelden anyway.
 
The thing in the Hinterlands is the quest I mentioned to recruit the agent. Scout Ritts was having a picnic with her mage gf when they were attacked by templars. The mage is lying there dead when you come upon the scene. Of course, there might be another codex I'm unaware of and the similarity with a picnic is a coincidence.
 
 
The gay badass thread was doing okay for a bit, but people are getting testy again. Sigh... I will say though, dave's description of the whole Shepard debacle was informative.

[Biotic Apostate]

Ah dammit, I did forget about the codex entry, silly because I've always liked the sweetness of the burial. Arl Jacen's Ride has such great potential as a tavern song, I'm almost disappointed that none of the writers tried their hand at it; potentially more subtle than The Bear and the Maiden Fair (from A Song of Ice and Fire / Game of Thrones), but with the right wording it could be awesome. I prefer clever subtlety over overt lewdness, as in the Bear song, and that seems more Ferelden anyway.
 
The thing in the Hinterlands is the quest I mentioned to recruit the agent. Scout Ritts was having a picnic with her mage gf when they were attacked by templars. The mage is lying there dead when you come upon the scene. Of course, there might be another codex I'm unaware of and the similarity with a picnic is a coincidence.
 
 
The gay badass thread was doing okay for a bit, but people are getting testy again. Sigh... I will say though, dave's description of the whole Shepard debacle was informative.

Oh yes I think that was the one I was thinking about. I forgot about the details, since it was probably one of the first things I did in Inquisition, and that was a long time ago.

 

Eh it seems mild enough for now. The Shepard situation is of the biggest points, why I prefer the DA team over the former ME team. Their explanations before ME3 were really hurtful and made no sense. Shepard can be a lesbian ("but not really, because Asari are not women"), straight, aaaand that's it. It's your character ( *but it isn't, if you're gay). When people on the ME3 board started complaining before the release about Steve and Kaidan (the s/s romances), Casey Hudson (and remember, we're talking about an employee from the same company that said they won't make toggles to hide gay people in DA2) said that the pesky gays forced him to make that option available.