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[Qun00]

Somehow, I have a hard time imagining a Dalish elf walking into a town and everyone being totally okay with that.

Likewise, I'm not sure if it is such a common situation that the merchants are already used to it and welcome any Dalish elf that comes in to sell some wolf pelts.

[Gervaise]

A lot would depend on the conduct of the particular clan in the area.  If they were generally non antagonistic and had not caused any trouble, then I dare say the smaller villages would be happy enough to trade with them.   If the Dalish are hunting dangerous creatures, such a wolves, then the village might actually welcome their presence.   The refugees in the Hinterlands seemed pretty hopeless at looking after themselves and apparently there are hunters in the communities to deal with that sort of thing but not every village is going to have a specialist hunter.

 

Some human communities might be more inclined to trade than others.   I would imagine the Chassind would be more amenable, not having the same Chantry prejudices as the more "civilised" folk.   There have been conflicts with the Avaar in the past but that doesn't mean that it is always a hostile relationship.   The shopkeeper in Stone Bear Hold was willing to travel all the way to Orlais to do trade, so I imagine he wouldn't have a problem doing business with a passing Dalish clan.   It is really the lowlander humans that are heavily influenced by Chantry teaching that are likely to have the greatest prejudices.    The Dalish try to be self sufficient as much as possible but there will be some things they just have to try and source from elsewhere.    Presumably if the local human villagers won't trade, then stuff just goes missing.    However, the Dalish also make things that other craftsmen don't, like the items made from iron bark and trinkets made from halla horn, so there are reasons why villagers might want to do business with them.

[Abyss108]

I don't see why it would be a problem. Humans might be distrustful of Elves, but they don't shoot them on sight or anything.

[dragonflight288]

The answer is likely very carefully.

[dragonflight288]

I don't see why it would be a problem. Humans might be distrustful of Elves, but they don't shoot them on sight or anything.

Depends on the humans. Templars actively hunt Keepers and their apprentices and some orlesian nobles consider it a sport to track and hunt Dalish clans.

[Abyss108]

Depends on the humans. Templars actively hunt Keepers and their apprentices and some orlesian nobles consider it a sport to track and hunt Dalish clans.

 

Yes but the keepers and apprentices aren't the ones who do the trading. They send a few clan members to small villages, nowhere near Orlesian nobles.

[Tidus]

Actually the Dalish try to avoid encounters with humans when staying in one area-they do not kill humans on sight regardless of what Duncan says at the beginning of the Dalish warden's story line and the Keeper will explain why the camp is moving instead of attacking the village and if you kill those three unarmed humans she is not happy about that..

 

If the Dalish kills on sight then when our party reaches the Dalish camp they would be killed instead of being warned.

 

Now then.

 

Only Elves that are diplomatic and understand the ways of humans can enter the village-this is covered in the Dalish warden's camp.

 

As far as Templars.. They avoid the Dalish mages.. You see the Templars are brave facing down one mage they won't take on a whole clan of Dalish warriors protecting their Keeper and apprentices.  Even if a company of Templars marched to capture a Keeper and the apprentices the Dalish would be long gone -this is not from the fear of the Templars as much as having to face the King's Army from killing those Templars...

[Krypplingz]

Send a small group of two or three to the town. Start by greeting the people at the gate and ask them if there are merchants willing to trade. Depending on the town the group might be attacked, sent away or allowed to enter the market district/square with directions to people who might trade with elves. There are also elven merchants like Alorith or Elren, which the dalish could trade with if they are not selling weapons. 

The group makes the starting sell pitch, aka we have this and would be willing to trade for that. If a deal can be made the group leaves and fetches some extra people and the goods they plan to trade. The gate guards search the merchandise for weapons and if none are found the dalish meet up with the merchant, do business and leave. 

 

Next time the clan goes to the town the process will probably be easier, hello we want to do business with that merchant, is he still around?. 

The reverse might also happen and a merchant might try to visit a nearby Dalish camp to do business. It would probably be reasonably safe if the clan camps near the city, since if they kill the merchant they would be risking the clans life.  

[fhs33721]

Somehow, I have a hard time imagining a Dalish elf walking into a town and everyone being totally okay with that.

But people in Thedas actually, racial slurs and maybe spitting at the Elf aside, are actually generally okay with Dalish elves walking into a twon. Or maybe they aren't okay with it but for the most time don't immediately chase them off either. In fact you can do it yourself in DAO while playing a Dalish elf, and walking into Denerim, Lothering, Haven (even those guys are willing to trade until you start snooping around to much for their likes) and Redciffe (Although that might not count since they are clearly desperate at that point).

Also Merill can walk into and around Kirkwall with no problem, as can Marethari.

[Heimdall]

Actually the Dalish try to avoid encounters with humans when staying in one area-they do not kill humans on sight regardless of what Duncan says at the beginning of the Dalish warden's story line and the Keeper will explain why the camp is moving instead of attacking the village and if you kill those three unarmed humans she is not happy about that...

Whether they actively attack humans seems to differ on a clan by clan basis. Numerous times it has been observed that the Dalish are becoming less homogenous in their culture through the centuries and that some behave like little more than bandits.

Anyway, I imagine that the average village isn't so hostile that they would shoot a Dalish on sight, especially one offering trade. Historically, nomadic and agrarian cultures have had complicated relationships: agrarian peoples would often trade with the very same groups that also violently raided them (Raiding being a very important part of many nomadic cultures), because both have things the other wants.

[Ashagar]

It depends on both the clan and the humans involved. The Elven Inquisitors clan from the free marches for instance is noted for its relations with humans and likely does a fair amount of trading with humans with little trouble and as such its likely the local authorities and chantry looks the other way while other stand offish clans are likely viewed with more critical eyes and honestly the clans that even elves view as being little better than bandits I am not sure how they trade with anyone including other elves.

 

On the other side of the tolken we have the Orlaisians who tend to seem to view elves as little more as intelligent animals at times who knights hunt elves for sport and on the other extreme we have the Rivan who are extremely tolerant not just towards elves but the Qunari and even mages as well while most humans fall between those extremes with variations based on amount of contact and how that contact went.

[Tidus]

The Dalish aren't fools.. Rile the public and the King would send his army to hunt you down and wipe out the troublesome clan or some innocent clan. Every keeper knows this and tries to keep the hotheads in line.

[Heimdall]

On the other side of the tolken we have the Orlaisians who tend to seem to view elves as little more as intelligent animals at times who knights hunt elves for sport and on the other extreme we have the Rivan who are extremely tolerant not just towards elves but the Qunari and even mages as well while most humans fall between those extremes with variations based on amount of contact and how that contact went.

That Orlesian attitude toward elves seems to be largely restricted to the nobility and the chevalier's graduation ritual (Which reminds me more of a gang initiation than anything else). I don't think Orlesians in general are more negative toward elves than the rest of human Thedas.

I don't recall any evidence of the Rivain being more tolerant towards elves, though on the matter of mages you shouldn't mistake a dedication to their own traditional customs for tolerance. The Qunari conversion in one northern city was met by purges from the rest of Rivain and remains divisive to this day, I don't believe they're particularly tolerant of it.

[Tidus]

Some of the nobles was upset when they found out Queen Celene  had a Elven lover in the DA book "The Masked Empire". They also used a minor Elvan upraising to start a civil war.

[Heimdall]

Some of the nobles was upset when they found out Queen Celene had a Elven lover in the DA book "The Masked Empire".

No more upset than other nation's nobility would be, I don't claim they have a positive attitude toward elves, though I imagine part of the issue is that Celene has refused to marry, remains heirless, and is on the back end of her fertility age wise. An interregnum without a clear successor is not a reassuring prospect.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Very cautiously and they would trade via a barter system.

[dragonflight288]

Yes but the keepers and apprentices aren't the ones who do the trading. They send a few clan members to small villages, nowhere near Orlesian nobles.

 

Then....with farmholds maybe that are far from marketplaces?

[Qun00]

In fact you can do it yourself in DAO while playing a Dalish elf, and walking into Denerim, Lothering, Haven (even those guys are willing to trade until you start snooping around to much for their likes) and Redciffe (Although that might not count since they are clearly desperate at that point).
Also Merill can walk into and around Kirkwall with no problem, as can Marethari.

The Dalish Warden simply enjoys the perks of being the PC. Truth is, there is a good reason why the Dalish avoid getting too close to human settlements.

As for Merril, she became a city elf as far as the townsfolk are concerned. I also don't believe that Marethari used the front gates. Not without a plan, at least.

[dragonflight288]

It depends on both the clan and the humans involved. The Elven Inquisitors clan from the free marches for instance is noted for its relations with humans and likely does a fair amount of trading with humans with little trouble and as such its likely the local authorities and chantry looks the other way while other stand offish clans are likely viewed with more critical eyes and honestly the clans that even elves view as being little better than bandits I am not sure how they trade with anyone including other elves.

 

 

 

Of course, the Dalish's clan ALSO chooses to roam in the Free Marches because there is no unified kingdom. Should a city-state march on them, they may very well provoke a human neighbor. 

 

that gives a bit more leeway to Clan Lavellan. 

[Iakus]

The answer is likely very carefully.

As the porcupine joke goes...

[Abyss108]

Then....with farmholds maybe that are far from marketplaces?

 

??

 

With small villages that don't have nobles or templars, etc. Dalish are not attacked on sight, you can see this in every game?

[dragonflight288]

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With small villages that don't have nobles or templars, etc. Dalish are not attacked on sight, you can see this in every game?

 

Possibly?

 

Or where the strength of the hunters is equal or greater than the strength of the garrison and both sides are on guard for treachery....

 

Ah well. Some clans have good realtions and other clans are little better than bandits. 

[Iakus]

As noted, likely with small villages, or the poorer parts of larger cities.  Or perhaps alienages.

 

I mean, if Merrill moves into Hightown, it causes a bit of a scandal.  But elves seem to move about more freely in Lowtown, Darktown, the docks, etc...

[Abyss108]

It's said in the games that a few members are chosen to go to small villages...

[Elhanan]

By cornering the majority of the market on Elfroot....