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[German Soldier]

Corypheus was immortal against natural means but was he truly immortal against the anchor?

From what i grasped he is unable to jump into a tainted body unless he is killed first(exactly like the archdemon)

The inquisitor at the end game sent him and his soul to be consumed into the fade where he is not suited to survive

(pretty much like sending a living being into space).

So what i'm question is if creature likes archdemon or Corypheus are  immortal against the anchor aka magic of Fen Harel who teleport the target by force into the fade .

and if they are not why the need for the well of sorrow?

[thats1evildude]

The Well of Sorrows provided the knowledge of how to permanently kill Corypheus.

The dragon was the key to undoing Corypheus' immortality. He'd sunk so much power into creating it that killing it weakened him, making him temporarily unable to jump bodies.

The Inquisitor just uses the Anchor to finish him off. It's sort of a "Hoist By Your Own Petard" thing; he wanted to go to the Fade, so the Inquisitor sent him there. But without the orb, the mark or his dragon, he couldn't survive.

[German Soldier]

The Well of Sorrows provided the knowledge of how to permanently kill Corypheus.

The dragon was the key to undoing Corypheus' immortality. He'd sunk so much power into creating it that killing it weakened him, making him temporarily unable to jump bodies.

The Inquisitor just uses the Anchor to finish him off. It's sort of a "Hoist By Your Own Petard" thing; he wanted to go to the Fade, so the Inquisitor sent him there. But without the orb, the mark or his dragon, he couldn't survive.

with his dragon i bet that he couldn't surive as well he can't live physically into the fade so half of his soul would have been destroyed

[thats1evildude]

More likely, if the dragon had still been alive, he would have jumped to a new body.

Corypheus couldn't be killed without the dragon dying first. The means of his death doesn't really matter after that.

[German Soldier]

More likely, if the dragon had still been alive, he would have jumped to a new body.

Corypheus couldn't be killed without the dragon dying first. The means of his death doesn't really matter after that.

I guess we will never know because as i said earlier he can't body jump until he is killed and if he was sent into the fade(before to die,because he die there) his soul would have been simply unable to body jump into the mortal world from the fade(veil) thus he would have lost part of his soul(like Mythal),with only the part left in his dragon

[Dai Grepher]

At most, the anchor would have killed Corypheus and he would have respawned in the nearest tainted creature without the anchor. Though he probably would have completed his plan before dying from the anchor.

 

However, I think Corypheus understood the magic of the orb, and he would have been able to wield the anchor as well as Solas could have. The fact that he would still have the orb would also aid him in doing so.

[German Soldier]

At most, the anchor would have killed Corypheus and he would have respawned in the nearest tainted creature without the anchor. Though he probably would have completed his plan before dying from the anchor.

 

However, I think Corypheus understood the magic of the orb, and he would have been able to wield the anchor as well as Solas could have. The fact that he would still have the orb would also aid him in doing so.

I'm not talking about the anchor killing him(in the hypothetical scenario in which he would have gained the anchor from the Orb ),i'm talking about if he would have been able to survive against the final attack of the Inquisitor who sent him into the fade.

Even if his dragon would have been still alive(no help from the well of sorrow) Corypheus was sent into the fade and half of his soul the one within him would have been consumed there,while only the part inside his dragon would have remained(thus make him like mythal a being half destroyed).

So the question is the Inquisitor could have killed Corypheus via the anchor even without the well of sorrow?

From what i grasp of the possibility of the anchor it seem to be that it is possible because with the anchor the inqusitor sent him to die into the fade,it seems to me that his immortality is not useful at all against an opponent who use the anchor aka magic of the dread wolf.

[Dai Grepher]

Oh, I must have misread. Sorry. So you're asking if Corypheus could have survived the Vac-u-Rift even if his respawn ability had not been interrupted by the RLD's death? Not sure. When someone dies they go to the Fade. So when Corypheus died in front of the temple of Mythal, he went to the Fade, but simply returned through a tainted body close to the location that he left.

 

The only question is if the Vac-u-Rift caused Corypheus' spirit to break apart. If that's what it does, then I doubt his consciousness would be intact in the Fade for him to use his ability. Unless it was automatic based on the RLD. Like the dragon recalls all the broken pieces into one whole again.

 

Tough question. I guess it depends on how his ability worked. If he had to command it with his consciousness, then ripping his spirit into shreds and sending it to the Fade should have prevented him from using it even with the RLD still alive. On the other hand, if the RLD can call the spirit or its pieces back to the real world, then no, the RLD would have to be killed first.

 

It seems his spirit was ripped apart and sent to the Fade, because if he simply died and went to the Fade as a spirit, then his consciousness should have been able to seek out a new tainted host after some time passed. Unless Corypheus didn't actually have this ability until he created the RLD. In Legacy it seems like he body jumps BEFORE Hawke kills him, not afterward.

 

In any case, the Well's voices say to kill the dragon first. I suppose they know what they're talking about. Then again, they may not have accounted for the Vac-u-Rift.

 

I suppose my final conclusion would be this. Killing the dragon first and then killing Corypheus with a sword probably would have sent his soul to the Fade for good (according to the Well), though his consciousness would still be intact. But shredding him in body and soul and sending him to the Fade as energy after killing his dragon is necessary overkill, just to be certain. And I read somewhere that mages searched the Fade for any sign of Corypheus' spirit and found no trace of him. So it seems that the rift did obliterate him.

[Bardox9]

From what I understood of the process, a piece of Corypheus was fused into his Lyrium riddled blighted dragon. When he died his spirit would travel into the dragon and then out into near by tainted creature. The transferring of his spirit was an ability of his pet dragon and not himself. With the dragon dead, Corypheus no longer has the ability to "body hop". So when he was sucked into the rift the Inquisitor created inside Corypheus' skull, it did in fact kill him and deposited a pile of blighted goo into the fade.

 

Did it really kill him? Probably. If you can believe anything that is learned from the Well of Sorrows. Anything having to do with Flemeth is never what it seems. I personally don't trust it. All we can be sure of is that... that had to hurt... alot..

[Lazarillo]

From what I understood of the process, a piece of Corypheus was fused into his Lyrium riddled blighted dragon. When he died his spirit would travel into the dragon and then out into near by tainted creature. The transferring of his spirit was an ability of his pet dragon and not himself. With the dragon dead, Corypheus no longer has the ability to "body hop". So when he was sucked into the rift the Inquisitor created inside Corypheus' skull, it did in fact kill him and deposited a pile of blighted goo into the fade.

 

Corfishystix could taint-surf before he got the dragon, though  There isn't really a lot of explanation for why killing the dragon should have made a difference outside of "Mythal says so, and Mythal probably knows what she's talking about", though it's true that, for whatever convenient reason that it worked, it did work and we safely can assume he's really gone until/unless the writers think it would be neat to bring him back.

[Bardox9]

Corfishystix could taint-surf before he got the dragon, though  There isn't really a lot of explanation for why killing the dragon should have made a difference outside of "Mythal says so, and Mythal probably knows what she's talking about", though it's true that, for whatever convenient reason that it worked, it did work and we safely can assume he's really gone until/unless the writers think it would be neat to bring him back.

It's not totally clear exactly when Cory acquired the dragon. There is no set life span on Dragons that I've seen so he could have had this thing since before he became tainted. Binding a Dragon to you could have been a rite for the high priest of Dumat or something equally ominous. And one cannot "safely assume" anything where Flemeth is involved.

 

A bit of a turn of phrase here, "If you want to hear Flemeth laugh, tell her your plans."

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Did Corypheus had the red lyrium dragon since DA2? 

It would made more sense from a narrative point of view rather than him creating the thing thus generate his own weak point by himself......lame.

But from what i understood he didn't had the dragon in DA2 he created it to mock the old gods

[Dai Grepher]

I thought he created it so that it would share his power to resurrect in a tainted creature, which would allow it to never stay dead for long.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I thought he created it so that it would share his power to resurrect in a tainted creature, which would allow it to never stay dead for long.

Problem is that nobody know if he had the dragon since DA2.
In legacy he was immortal without any weak point, unless the dragon was always been part of his ability and he had it even in DA2.
However i doubt that the GW would have missed the dragon when they fought him the first time.
I think he created the dragon in DAI thus he made by himself his only weakness......is lame because in Legacy he was immortal that Dragon was a waste...

[Dai Grepher]

I seriously doubt it. Otherwise it would have been spotted by someone in that long span of time.

 

In Legacy we only see him body jump to a live Warden. That isn't the same as him being killed and resurrecting in the corpse of a dead Warden.

 

I believe he did create his own weakness, yes. However, from his perspective it was not a weakness that anyone would be able to exploit. Think about it. The person or group would have to kill his dragon first, which was impossible enough in his view, then they would have to kill him soon after. His true weakness was his arrogance. He should have ran away when his dragon was killed and just waited for it to respawn.

[In Exile]

I seriously doubt it. Otherwise it would have been spotted by someone in that long span of time.

 

In Legacy we only see him body jump to a live Warden. That isn't the same as him being killed and resurrecting in the corpse of a dead Warden.

 

I believe he did create his own weakness, yes. However, from his perspective it was not a weakness that anyone would be able to exploit. Think about it. The person or group would have to kill his dragon first, which was impossible enough in his view, then they would have to kill him soon after. His true weakness was his arrogance. He should have ran away when his dragon was killed and just waited for it to respawn.

 

I'm pretty sure we see him body jump to a Warden corpse in DA:I. 

 

I thought he created it so that it would share his power to resurrect in a tainted creature, which would allow it to never stay dead for long.

 

No, it's stated outright that this was a weakness and hubris, not a benefit.

[Dai Grepher]

I'm pretty sure we see him body jump to a Warden corpse in DA:I. 

 

 

No, it's stated outright that this was a weakness and hubris, not a benefit.

 

No, we see him resurrect in a Warden corpse. That isn't the same thing as body jumping to a live Warden.

 

Stated by whom? Some opinion giver? If sharing the power with the dragon is not what allowed him to resurrect, then there is no other reason to do it than giving the dragon the power to resurrect as well.
 

[Aren]

Why did he created the dragon?
It was useless for him it made him mortal....?

[Dai Grepher]

Either creating the Red Lyrium Dragon made him immortal, or he was immortal before and he shared that power with it so it could resurrect if killed.

[thats1evildude]

He created the red lyrium dragon for two reasons:

1) Because a high dragon at his beck and call was extremely useful.
2) As both a tribute to the Old Gods and a statement that he would surpass them in power.

I don't know if Corypheus realized he was creating an Achilles' Heel with the dragon, but that probably wouldn't have stopped him. Pride was Corypheus' major failing, and it ultimately led to his downfall.

[Dai Grepher]

I don't understand how corrupting a dragon causes his power to not function properly. What about all the red templars in that case? I only see his power being altered or diminished if he purposely made changes to that power himself or shared it with the dragon.

[Aren]

I don't understand how corrupting a dragon causes his power to not function properly. What about all the red templars in that case? I only see his power being altered or diminished if he purposely made changes to that power himself or shared it with the dragon.

There is no explanation whatsoever,is just because the well say so....

 

He created the red lyrium dragon for two reasons:

1) Because a high dragon at his beck and call was extremely useful.
2) As both a tribute to the Old Gods and a statement that he would surpass them in power.

I don't know if Corypheus realized he was creating an Achilles' Heel with the dragon, but that probably wouldn't have stopped him. Pride was Corypheus' major failing, and it ultimately led to his downfall.

It is not useful at all,not only it created his weakness but Corypheus didn't need him,since we saw that the magister is able to fly on his own,he do not need a dragon to move faster