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Riven326

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Me and a friend were talking about this the other day. Suffice it to say he's not a big fan of the series for a few reasons. They include Dragon Age being fairly generic in it's approach to fantasy, a lot of material seems to have been taken either directly or indirectly from Tolkein. The world of Thedas, he said, was not very compelling compared to other fictional universes, most notably TES; he feels that TES has a unique universe with a unique take on traditional fantasy (elves for example), where as Dragon Age just has average or generic elves, average dwarves, and so on.

What he suggested was a rebooting of the series that would allow Bioware to wipe the slate clean and really do something unique with this IP. If he had asked me about this prior to me playing Inquisition I may have been reluctant or even against the idea altogether. However, what really swayed me in this direction was Inquisition; I wasn't able to complete the game for various reasons, such as it feeling the most generic of all the games, the ludicrous amount of fetch quests, the uninteresting story and setting, and uninteresting characters, to name a few.

 

My disappointment with Inquisition had got me thinking about the previous games as well. What was unique or interesting about them? What made them worth playing over other games in the genre? It would be unfair to suggest that Origins and DA2 didn't suffer from some of the same problems that plagued Inquisition. So what made them special? It all came down to the characters. The story and setting of those games were nothing special. The darkspawn horde? Yawn. What about the templars and mages? That might have worked if the two factions themselves weren't so dull and uninteresting.

 

Gameplay doesn't fare much better, it's actually getting worse with each new entry. By worse I mean the games feel more bipolar/schizophrenic than ever with Inquisition. This could very well be a problem with Bioware in general though, as I think there has been a noticeable drop in quality across the board since EA brought them into their fold. But it seems to be getting worse. For example, before the release of Inquisition, Bioware had talked up how they were bringing back the isometric tactical camera and admittedly did an admirable job of marketing the game to both groups of players; those who were interested in a more tactical approach to gameplay were made to feel at home in Inquisition. This however turned out to be false advertising.

The tactical camera is there, but they took away all the tactics. The "tactical" menu is devoid of most mechanics that give the player the ability to setup tactics, and the tactical camera is clunky and unwieldy. So I either have to accept that Bioware just doesn't really know what they're doing, or these features were just sort of tacked on to make one side of the player base feel that they were also included in the development process. To be honest, I don't feel really comfortable with either of these options.

 

Would a reboot really help here? I don't know, What I do know is what they're doing right now... just kinda feels sub-par. The biggest issue this IP has is it's identity crisis. It starred out as an alleged throwback to old school Bioware RPG's. Well, that's not really an issue if you're old Bioware. But it's little more difficult when you're AAA Bioware and expected to make games that appeal to people who don't even play RPG's. So they made that adjustment in DA2 and it's been a mess ever since. And like I said, Origins wasn't all that either; it had it's own set of issues of being generic in terms of it's art style and a few other things. But at least it seemed to have some sort of vision behind it.

 

Those are just some of my thoughts on this. I'd like to hear what you all think.



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You are not talking about a reboot. You want a whole other game.


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You are not talking about a reboot. You want a whole other game.

I wouldn't be opposed to that. I just think it would be kinda redundant to have two fantasy games going at the same time.



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Nah, Dragon Age is fine as it is.


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No. Why would I want to play a completely different series and give up the most interesting fantasy universe there is?  :blink:  

 

DA Elves are the opposite of typical Elves... Typical Elves are the most powerful, beloved race that is always right. Not downtrodden slaves. The entire series is full of some of the most memorable characters I've seen from any game. And I love the gameplay (ignoring DA2 at least.)


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No no no no no, absolutely not. I'm pretty sure the fandom will riot if Bioware ever gets it in their head to do this. It's never gonna happen.


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No. Why would I want to play a completely different series and give up the most interesting fantasy universe there is?  :blink:  

 

DA Elves are the opposite of typical Elves... Typical Elves are the most powerful, beloved race that is always right. Not downtrodden slaves.

 

This, and not to mention that their take on mages and magic is also pretty unique. How is that generic?


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Nah, Dragon Age is fine as it is.


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or just don't buy any Dragon Age game. 



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I don't think the series needs a total clean slate or anything crazy like that. It's certainly not the best series ever. I think DAO was the best and its been down hill since. But that doesn't mean I haven't enjoyed playing them. They are a bit generic in their fantasy approach but most games are really. There are a few unique things thrown in to keep it new and interesting.

 

I do think the games have felt quite unpolished. Especially Inquisition. They are worth playing but certainly did not achieve their potential. I do wonder sometimes if EA has a weird fetish for ruining RPGs by rushing them, or if they really are just simply blinded by money. Yet another reason to stop making rpgs so gosh damn big. Devs bite off more than they can chew, and end up rushing and leaving things feeling half assed.


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Uh... Elder Scrolls elves have a lot more in common with Tolkien elves than Dragon age elves do.

 

Anyway, if you found Inquisition's characters to be uninteresting (which I find flabbergasting, to be honest. Even people with a lot of complaints usually think they are a good part of the game), then there is really no point asking for a reboot. Why would the writers whose content you don't like suddenly write something you like just because they make a new game? Just play something else if it's that bad for you.


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And while I agree that "tactics" in Inquisition are extremely underwhelming, especially compared to previous entries, I disagree that Bioware's gameplay has been universally downgraded since being bought by EA. I thought ME3 had absolutely awesome gameplay.



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I'd rather prefer them to create entire new franchise - with no dwarves nor elves, not based on medieval Europe, no magic or at least absolutely different approach on it, and saving the world. 



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Uh... Elder Scrolls elves have a lot more in common with Tolkien elves than Dragon age elves do.

 

Anyway, if you found Inquisition's characters to be uninteresting (which I find flabbergasting, to be honest. Even people with a lot of complaints usually think they are a good part of the game), then there is really no point asking for a reboot. Why would the writers whose content you don't like suddenly write something you like just because they make a new game? Just play something else if it's that bad for you.

Regarding the elves, are you referring to the Dominion? In my OP I was talking more in terms of physical appearance, as well as there being more than one race of elves in TES. Versus DA which has only one race of elves and they all look the same.

It would be more accurate to say I found the characters in Inquisition far less interesting than those that were in the two previous entries.

 

And while I agree that "tactics" in Inquisition are extremely underwhelming, especially compared to previous entries, I disagree that Bioware's gameplay has been universally downgraded since being bought by EA. I thought ME3 had absolutely awesome gameplay.

ME3's gameplay problems weren't so much in the shooting mechanics, but were felt more in the level design itself and it had a clunky cover system. ME2 was also a very clunky TPS. DA2 had a lot of balance problems and some pretty awful wave-based combat mechanics, especially late game.



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Looks like we've got a late entry for"Worst BSN idea of the month."

Bonus points for blaming it on a friend.
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  LOL.. I like JRR Tolkien Blue eyed Elve's, and the Hobbits, and the dwarf's, and the whole wizard, and magic bit. it does make for a fun game of fantasy, and for that matter these imaginary creature's, and race's were around long before Tolkien. 

 

    But also having never been able to finish this last Dragon age ( Inquisition ), and as I did like DA2, but not as much as Origins, and awakening, DAO, and DAA I could hardly wait to finish so I could go back through playing as a rouge, or a different race, or as a Opposite Gender, and try the romance from another angle.  They were for me really entertaining,

 

DAO even had different start up stories depending on your race, and class, I really liked that, it made playing a different character unique. 

 

  DAI... I just find the romance options in them to be a turn off, but that is just me, and although they did bring back Race choice, thank goodness, the differences do not seem to shine as well as they did in earlier versions.

 

   I don't think a full remake is needed, but perhaps someone at Bioware should start thinking like a gamer again, or they should hire a few die hard RPG players to test there product, and not ( cousin Jo bob, and uncle bill ). It just seems like there sort of Detached in the last installments. I truly hope this does not extend to the new ME, which I am hearing they may be making.


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No. What exactly warrants a reboot? We're JUST getting into the meat of the lore's backstory for crying out loud.


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I don't think the series needs a total clean slate or anything crazy like that. It's certainly not the best series ever. I think DAO was the best and its been down hill since. But that doesn't mean I haven't enjoyed playing them. They are a bit generic in their fantasy approach but most games are really. There are a few unique things thrown in to keep it new and interesting.

 

I do think the games have felt quite unpolished. Especially Inquisition. They are worth playing but certainly did not achieve their potential. I do wonder sometimes if EA has a weird fetish for ruining RPGs by rushing them, or if they really are just simply blinded by money. Yet another reason to stop making rpgs so gosh damn big. Devs bite off more than they can chew, and end up rushing and leaving things feeling half assed.

It wouldn't be so bad if they would nail down the Dragon Age universe. But with each new game continuity is thrown out the window. Just look at the Qunari and how they change drastically in each game or the elves. I remember when I stumbled into Redcliffe in Inquisition. One of my party members had to tell me I was standing in Redcliffe because I had no clue; the scenery looked absolutely nothing like it did in Origins. I thought that was pretty bad. There are many moments like this in the Dragon Age games that take me out of the experience and it feels like Bioware still hasn't nailed down the fundamentals that make up this game. They don't seem to have this problem with Mass Effect though.



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When people look at Dragon Age and say "It's the Standard Fantasy Setting!", I think they've missed the point: it's a deconstruction of the Standard Fantasy Setting.
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When people look at Dragon Age and say "It's the Standard Fantasy Setting!", I think they've missed the point: it's a deconstruction of the Standard Fantasy Setting.

 

Exactly. The entire point of the setting is to take all the traditional fantasy tropes and do something a bit different with them. The downtrodden elves of Thedas are a twist on Tolkein, and so is the cutthroat dwarf Empire in potentially terminal decline. So are the 'orcs' who might look monstrous to humans, but who have a culture of their own and are no more inherently evil than the rest of the world's inhabitants. (This is going to be doubly true if the suspicion about the Qunari being magically-altered elves with dragon blood turns out to be true, given that Tolkein's orcs were corrupted elves.) Meanwhile, the common attitudes towards mages as either Übermenschen or dangerous pariahs is largely inspired by David Gaider's speculation about how D&D-style magic users would actually be treated in societies that made sense.

 

Personally, I find the Dragon Age lore a lot more interesting than TES, but it's largely a matter of personal taste.


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Just look at the Qunari and how they change drastically in each game


That just proves that what Sten told you in DA:O was right.
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No. I just finish Trespasser. I can´t wait for DA4. There were things i don´t like, but a good game series overall.  



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If your friend doesn't like the series, then your friend should play something else.

 

Don't expect the series to completely change itself (and for fans of the series as it is to watch it cease to be what it is) to appeal to people who never liked it in the first place.


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No.

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I just want them to fix what's broken, not throw the baby out with the bathwater.


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