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[KamuiStorm]

On thessia an asari councillor says

"Then I should go. Plans must be put in motion. Continuity of civilization has to be considered. I never imagined this day would come."

We've seen images of what appears to be an ark, an arkcon logo, super relay, what do you make of this? I think the asari are the real reason we've been able to reach andromeda. Thousands of years in the possession of a prothean beacon, the amount of knowledge that would be obtained by studying in for such a tremendous amount of time is exponential. The mentioning of plans must be put into motion along side "I never thought this day would come" insinuates plans have been prepared and devised for an unknowable period of time. Shelved, untouched, waiting to be involved in cases such as the reaper war. Of course this begs the question, how would they assuming any of this is valid, how would they hide such a device as the super relay or the ark for that matter? Well Cerberus and the shadowbroker discovered means to cloak themselves using Sun's and solar storms coupled with technology to amplify this natural cloaking effect. If they did it then so too would the asari only more proficiently due to such long lives and the knowledge acquired from the beacon.

Now we all know how shep reacted to eden primes beacon, he literally saw portions of what was to be. Just by a mere touch, no longer than mere seconds. However, the asari were able to keep a beacon intact so I conclude with this for you all to discuss.

Asari May be sexy, sexy alien babes with a very impressively advanced society and technology equally as impressive but I think they knew about the reapers before anyone else and had already discovered that their threat was unavoidable and once they arrived survival would be impossible. So they devised a means to escape and rebuild elsewhere, a plan with thousands of years worth of planning. They did not account for saren, or the humans discovering a second beacon let alone discover the truth of what was going to happen.

Their plans, had to suddenly involve not just themselves but several species thanks to saren paving the way for humans to discover the beacon which had a shock wave effect resulting in several species now knowing the reapers existed. Thus arkcon was the original Cerberus with intention to save asari only until saren and shep changed that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So the Asari are the worst criminals in our cycle's history by keeping such information secret and robbing the galaxy of tons of resources rather than preparing the galaxy for the Reapers' arrival, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of billions of people?

[KamuiStorm]

Pretty much, or to add more theory they could've used the spectres as a way to recruit and perhaps part of the reason the spectres held such above the law authority was simply a means to an end so arkcon could further their reach and resources. Saren could've betrayed them all and set the stage for what transpired, now it is likely that it started out pro asari but somewhere the asari could've realized they needed aid to accomplish such a monumental feat as the ark. So they added more species to their ranks while maintaining superiority, my guess would be the first species approached would've been the salarians and then turians. Hence the council.

[Fortlowe]

Sure. Of course they betrayed all life in the galaxy. But dat ass.

[Killroy]

What "super relay"?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What "super relay"?

My guess is they are referring to this: 

Spoiler

[Killroy]

My guess is they are referring to this:

 

...I should have known it would be baseless conjecture.

[ZipZap2000]

Pretty sure that happens on the Normandy. 


The only super relay we know of is the Citadel, as far as your theory goes its a juicy thought isn't it? The beacon on Thessia is an unknown and they could work it anyway they wanted to really if they went down that path. I just don't want to deal with some smart arse Turian councillor all over again with no 'shoot this fool' option. 

[ZipZap2000]

So the Asari are the worst criminals in our cycle's history by keeping such information secret and robbing the galaxy of tons of resources rather than preparing the galaxy for the Reapers' arrival, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of billions of people?

TBF they were all going to die or were already dead by then anyway. You can blame the individual leaders of every race and the council for that. 

I'd count myself lucky if they rang up and asked if we'd like to come with. 

[ZipZap2000]

Pretty much, or to add more theory they could've used the spectres as a way to recruit and perhaps part of the reason the spectres held such above the law authority was simply a means to an end so arkcon could further their reach and resources. Saren could've betrayed them all and set the stage for what transpired, now it is likely that it started out pro asari but somewhere the asari could've realized they needed aid to accomplish such a monumental feat as the ark. So they added more species to their ranks while maintaining superiority, my guess would be the first species approached would've been the salarians and then turians. Hence the council.

You see a recording of the first spectre being recruited in the citadel dlc he's a Salarian IIRC its pretty much as they say it is.

[Laughing_Man]

I doubt they actually knew about the Reapers, I doubt anyone did.

 

At best they might have had some baseless theories regarding what might have happened to the Protheans.

 

If they did know about the Reapers from early on, well, my guess is that instead of their nice cuddly and useless e-democracy they would have been ruled

by a council of the strongest matriarchs, and led by the Asari Version of XCOM.

[pkypereira]

My guess is they are referring to this: 

Spoiler

 

I always thought that was an enemy base, like the collector base kind of ship.

[Navasha]

I like my own theory that ties up a loose end from ME2.   That collapsing star, Dholen, (Haestrom Mission).   According to the dialog in game, it was collapsing for some unknown reason.   As if the mass in the star were disappearing.    I am thinking that would be the perfect "birth" of a intergalactic wormhole.   A one-way trip.   The research Tali collected could have easily been analyzed and an ark constructed to undergo the trip.  

[Sartoz]

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I just want to enjoy a new ME story/game without references to the MWG and the ME3 ending.

 

 

[themikefest]

I really doubt the asari knew about the reapers.

 

Here's a theory I posted about the asari and Andromeda

 

For now, I will say the ship leaves before the events of ME3

[Fade9wayz]

-sighs- You're assuming way too many things. Again.

 

First that they knew of the Reapers from the start, and were sure of the galaxy's fate. Then why wait until after the war and invasion of their homeworlds to ship all their population (except maybe the criminals) to Andromeda? Shepard even gave them three years of respite. That's more than adequate to organise a massive retreat to those famous Arks they supposedly had millenias to build and store away from the prying eyes of the other races. Why stay until their homeworld is invaded and suffer so many losses of good, notable citizen while it could have been so easily avoided. It's not like they didn't have ample warning, according to you.

 

Second, why should they account for the other species? They've managed to keep their Ark project a secret from everyone, even after Saren. Nothing forces them to take any other species along for the ride. They don't need them for anything, since, according to you again, they already have all the tech and ressources necessary for that travel, and no one knows about it. Reproduction is assured even with a low number of their population, and they can fight for themselves if need be. Why should they bring along a bunch of freeloaders prone to fight each other, which would severely endanger their endeavour? There's absolutely no reason for them to give a flying **** about the other species.

 

No, everything points to the Asari not knowing about the Reapers until the events of ME1, and that if there are multiple species aboard the Ark, it's because it's a joint effort of the major species. Did you think Sovereign just disappeared into thin air by magic? I bet that contrary to public propaganda, the Council took Shepard's warning rather seriously after Sovereign's attack on the Citadel, and had it thoroughly studied for much more than just the thanix canons.

[KamuiStorm]

-sighs- You're assuming way too many things. Again.

First that they knew of the Reapers from the start, and were sure of the galaxy's fate. Then why wait until after the war and invasion of their homeworlds to ship all their population (except maybe the criminals) to Andromeda? Shepard even gave them three years of respite. That's more than adequate to organise a massive retreat to those famous Arks they supposedly had millenias to build and store away from the prying eyes of the other races. Why stay until their homeworld is invaded and suffer so many losses of good, notable citizen while it could have been so easily avoided. It's not like they didn't have ample warning, according to you.

Second, why should they account for the other species? They've managed to keep their Ark project a secret from everyone, even after Saren. Nothing forces them to take any other species along for the ride. They don't need them for anything, since, according to you again, they already have all the tech and ressources necessary for that travel, and no one knows about it. Reproduction is assured even with a low number of their population, and they can fight for themselves if need be. Why should they bring along a bunch of freeloaders prone to fight each other, which would severely endanger their endeavour? There's absolutely no reason for them to give a flying **** about the other species.

No, everything points to the Asari not knowing about the Reapers until the events of ME1, and that if there are multiple species aboard the Ark, it's because it's a joint effort of the major species. Did you think Sovereign just disappeared into thin air by magic? I bet that contrary to public propaganda, the Council took Shepard's warning rather seriously after Sovereign's attack on the Citadel, and had it thoroughly studied for much more than just the thanix canons.

First and foremost I'm not assuming anything, I am presuming. That's what a theory is, a presumption of what could be not a statement of irrefutable declaration.

Secondly I never mentioned a gratuitous amount of their populace being sent off to andromea, I stated that the asari were by all accounts if my theory rang to be true predominantly the reason why we reached andromea. The reason why they wouldn't announce their findings and the reapers existence, let alone their agenda is painfully obvious and common sense would tell you. Do you think a society would react with an "oh okay cool, no biggie" attitude if the people in charge came to know of an existence so terrifyingly powerful that for aeons they've been systematically committing genocide every 50k? No, they'd flip their ****, in mass effects case it'd be galactic upheaval. Pure unadulterated chaos or everyone would mock it up to be bullshit, they'd go "they're in charge?!?, We want proof!." Well that's the thing, a thousand years to study it is a vastly different ballgame then a few short seconds. Everyone would end up like Shepard, completely mind fucked and not knowing what to believe. Either way, chaos would ensue. You can just go public after discovering such knowledge unless you want chaos with which nothing would get done. You need to forge ahead for proof, you need planning, and by time you acquired this irrefutable proof you can't just then decide let it be known. The result would be the same, chaos.

You have to realize, by time saren enters the picture even by time humanity does. The council, the spectres, everything has ; long been into motion. You didn't even read the post with ernest otherwise you'd have realized I said that they would have realized the sheer scope of such an agenda would nessicate more resources then they had. Meaning this is realized from their current(upon the discovery) advancements would not be sufficient, they needed those who held a greater degree of understanding in varying degrees for various reasons. It's an absurdly easy to understand theory with just a small bit of actual pondering on the readers part. Honestly, I bet you simply did not like my theory this you needed to attempt to discredit it.

Even among the asari I am positive only a select few knew and those being the oldest and those who came later would be granted sufficient knowledge to keep them satiated until the higher ups deemed otherwise. The spectres, arkcon, the beacon, their long life span and technology is all linkable in this theory yet to iterate that does not mean it is fact. I am presuming(which means something is based on probability not fact) that the asari knew more than everyone.

[KamuiStorm]

I like my own theory that ties up a loose end from ME2.   That collapsing star, Dholen, (Haestrom Mission).   According to the dialog in game, it was collapsing for some unknown reason.   As if the mass in the star were disappearing.    I am thinking that would be the perfect "birth" of a intergalactic wormhole.   A one-way trip.   The research Tali collected could have easily been analyzed and an ark constructed to undergo the trip.

I actually really like this theory, it seems much easier to implement than my own. Probably more lore friendly as well than my own theory too, though that begs to question- how far would it take them, how long would it remain open, and due to a wormholes nature especially in sci fi what time period would they emerge in andromeda?

[Fade9wayz]

First and foremost I'm not assuming anything, I am presuming. That's what a theory is, a presumption of what could be not a statement of irrefutable declaration.

Urgh, it's even worse (evidently you're going with this definition of presumption: http://www.oxforddic...h/presumption).A theory is not a presumption, although a theory can be based on presumptions, and, or, assumptions. The probability you speak of must be based on facts to have any meaning. A behavioral pattern observed frequently, basic facts, that give you a high enough ground for your idea to be considered as true. Correct me if you will, but here are your 'presumptions' as I read your theory correctly:
1. The Asari knew of the Reapers before every one and didn't tell anyone
2. The beacon provided the tech to build some means of escape from the MW, be it an Ark or some other thing
3. They had millenias to prepare for the big exodus, but were short on time despite this (they must be awfully bad at planning)
4. Saren dicovered their plan, and somehow led the other species to become cognizant of it too
5. The Asari gave a **** that the other races learnt about it when they knew the end was near anyway.
That's an awful lot of presumptions (and I'm still trying to find evidences that would enable the probability you arbitraly gave them to ring true, as opposed to a much simpler theory. As I see them, they sound more like assumptions than presumptions). I'm sorry, but I prefer my theories to be more grounded in facts.
 

Secondly I never mentioned a gratuitous amount of their populace being sent off to andromea, I stated that the asari were by all accounts if my theory rang to be true predominantly the reason why we reached andromea. The reason why they wouldn't announce their findings and the reapers existence, let alone their agenda is painfully obvious and common sense would tell you. Do you think a society would react with an "oh okay cool, no biggie" attitude if the people in charge came to know of an existence so terrifyingly powerful that for aeons they've been systematically committing genocide every 50k? No, they'd flip their ****, in mass effects case it'd be galactic upheaval. Pure unadulterated chaos or everyone would mock it up to be bullshit, they'd go "they're in charge?!?, We want proof!." Well that's the thing, a thousand years to study it is a vastly different ballgame then a few short seconds. Everyone would end up like Shepard, completely mind fucked and not knowing what to believe. Either way, chaos would ensue. You can just go public after discovering such knowledge unless you want chaos with which nothing would get done. You need to forge ahead for proof, you need planning, and by time you acquired this irrefutable proof you can't just then decide let it be known. The result would be the same, chaos.

You're the one not reading what I wrote. I didn't imply you gave any amount of population being saved. I asked you why they didn't evacuate long before their homeworlds were hit, if they knew about the Reapers all along and had already hoarded most of the ressources to build and hide the Ark somewhere? If you were responsible for your people, why would you wait and let them be horrificaly slaughtered when it was well within your power to avoid it? Even if you don't take off for Andromeda right away, you can still hide your population on secured ships ready to flee the galaxy when it's apparent there's no other choice left. Unless of course, they had already decided only a fraction of their population would be saved, and that decreases the scope and costs of the escape plan drastically, especially if you spread those costs on millenias. You can't tell me that a few months during the worst war the galactic community has ever experienced are more determining in gathering ressources than the millenias Asari had at their disposal, according to your own theory. Besides, I didn't ask you why they didn't warn the galactic society at large, did I? You didn't answer my question, you just tried to dodge it and went off on a tangeant that didn't even make sense with your initial post.
 
You didn't answer why Asari should account for the other races at all either. Trying to save their own civilisation only is considerably easier than trying to preserve the civilisations of all the major galactic species. The scope of such an endeavour is considerably reduced. Even after Sovereign's attack and the discovery of Reapers, why should the Asari disclose their knowledge of Reapers, and their plan of escape? There's nothing forcing them to do so.
 

You have to realize, by time saren enters the picture even by time humanity does. The council, the spectres, everything has ; long been into motion. You didn't even read the post with ernest otherwise you'd have realized I said that they would have realized the sheer scope of such an agenda would nessicate more resources then they had. Meaning this is realized from their current(upon the discovery) advancements would not be sufficient, they needed those who held a greater degree of understanding in varying degrees for various reasons. It's an absurdly easy to understand theory with just a small bit of actual pondering on the readers part. Honestly, I bet you simply did not like my theory this you needed to attempt to discredit it.

I'm going to humour you. If Asari are taking steps to ensure their survival, it's because they have proof the Reapers exist. No one in the Asari government is going to sink innumerable ressources in some Ark Project without tangible proof of the Reapers threat. You can't say they knew enough about the Reapers to start some Ark Project millenias before every one else (your initial theory), and then tell me they didn't have proof of their existence to show to the other species. That's self-contradictory. Besides, they didn't need to warn the whole galactic community, just their elites. It would have been enough to ensure scientific and military cooperation from the other species long before Sovereign's attack, even if common civilians weren't aware of the end result of such cooperation.

Besides, what is that nebulous agenda you're speaking of? I need precision. Saving every galactic civilisations or just their own? And even then, what does that mean? Just enough population to ensure genetic diversity or more than that, since preserving civilisation implies the need to preserve culture as well as population? The scope of such agendas varies greatly. If we're taking only Asari interests into account, one retro-fitted dreadnought would be more than adequate to meet such requirements. I'll give you two dreadnoughts, even, just because it's not wise to put all your eggs in the same basket.

If they wanted every major species to come along to Andromeda, sure that would severely increase the amount of ressources needed, but again, why should they care? They have decent technicians and scientists, superior biotics, a small but very competent army, Asari are wealthy enough to fund the Ark (at least in a reduced scope scenario), and if I understand your theory correctly, they are far more advanced in technology than all the others since they were able to build the Ark long ago. Again, and unless they merely consider bringing some members of the other species as pet, or are infinitely sentimental, I don't see the advantage in bringing us along. Salarians at least are quite useful when it comes to science, but Humans, Krogan and even Turians can't offer as much proficiency in that area, Quarians, would require dextro-proteins and confined environements, and I don't think Asari trusted Geth enough to even consider them.

Really, it's be much more efficient to go to Andromeda by themselves.
 

Even among the asari I am positive only a select few knew and those being the oldest and those who came later would be granted sufficient knowledge to keep them satiated until the higher ups deemed otherwise. The spectres, arkcon, the beacon, their long life span and technology is all linkable in this theory yet to iterate that does not mean it is fact. I am presuming(which means something is based on probability not fact) that the asari knew more than everyone.

Such a presumption without basic facts will inevitably be contested. Now, I'm not stopping you from theorizing, but when you came here with your theory, did you really think every one would like it and not point out its weaknesses? I don't even like MY theories when I can't support them with concrete facts, or I just admit they are baseless hypothesis.

Edit: on an unrelated note, the Reapers were lucky a species like the Zergs didn't appear in the galaxy. Damn their Leviathan is way more impressive than the one in ME...
http://dirkloechel.d...ships-398790051

[ZipZap2000]

I like my own theory that ties up a loose end from ME2. That collapsing star, Dholen, (Haestrom Mission). According to the dialog in game, it was collapsing for some unknown reason. As if the mass in the star were disappearing. I am thinking that would be the perfect "birth" of a intergalactic wormhole. A one-way trip. The research Tali collected could have easily been analyzed and an ark constructed to undergo the trip.

Mine ties into Haestrom too, dark energy is still destroying the galaxy so we're looking for a new home to escape to.

ARKCON

Andromeda Reconnaissance something something.

Pathfinder Initiative.

[Larry-3]

Sure. Of course they betrayed all life in the galaxy. But dat ass.

"Take a look at *that*, man. Everybody likes the asari. *Everybody*." -- human guy in the bar on Illium.

[Kabooooom]

If true, the Asari may have built the ark even earlier. The Reapers werent the first time that the species of the galaxy were faced with the possibility of extinction.

[BioWareM0d13]

If true, the Asari may have built the ark even earlier. The Reapers werent the first time that the species of the galaxy were faced with the possibility of extinction.

 

In one of the earlier ark theory threads someone suggested that the Asari could have built an ark during the darkest days of the Rachni Wars, before the Council managed to turn that conflict around. That ark then gets mothballed for centuries before being dusted off for the Reaper War. 

 

I hadn't considered that, but thought it was an interesting suggestion. The Reaper War wasn't the first time the Council species faced a potentially apocalyptic war, so it may make some sense to have the Ark project turn out to be something that predates it. The Rachni War also only occurred a couple generations ago from an Asari perspective, so it also wouldn't be far-fetched that Rachni War contingency plans would still be hanging around two millenia later. From an Asari perspective the Rachni Wars would only be about as distant as World War One is to us currently. 

[Fade9wayz]

In one of the earlier ark theory threads someone suggested that the Asari could have built an ark during the darkest days of the Rachni Wars, before the Council managed to turn that conflict around. That ark then gets mothballed for centuries before being dusted off for the Reaper War. 
 
I hadn't considered that, but thought it was an interesting suggestion. The Reaper War wasn't the first time the Council species faced a potentially apocalyptic war, so it may make some sense to have the Ark project turn out to be something that predates it. The Rachni War also only occurred a couple generations ago from an Asari perspective, so it also wouldn't be far-fetched that Rachni War contingency plans would still be hanging around two millenia later. From an Asari perspective the Rachni Wars would only be about as distant as World War One is to us currently.

That is a theory I would find more interesting and believable

[Iakus]

If true, the Asari may have built the ark even earlier. The Reapers werent the first time that the species of the galaxy were faced with the possibility of extinction.

Why keep it secret, though?  SUch tech would have completely removed dependance on the relay network.  Why risk unlocking relays to scary bug-eyed aliens when you can ftl to any system you want, then ftl out if it doesn't suit your purposes.