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[Revan Reborn]

I'm honestly surprised how many people are still using XP. That said, it looks like windows 10 is the second most popular OS currently. If you moved half of the Win 7 crowd to Win10 then Win 10 would be a majority. I still don't get why people don't make the free upgrade. If its a matter of privacy, what exactly are people doing that they need to hide exactly?

Maybe it's due to the fact that installing a new operating system is an absolute hassle? Not to mention, if there's nothing wrong with Windows 7, why would folks want to upgrade to Windows 10? In other words, there is no reason to, and the incentive thus far hasn't been large enough for people to make the jump. The only way folks are likely going to fully adopt Windows 10 is when Microsoft stops supporting the platform and other corporations only support Windows 10. It doesn't even matter that Windows 10 is free.

[UniformGreyColor]

Maybe it's due to the fact that installing a new operating system is an absolute hassle? Not to mention, if there's nothing wrong with Windows 7, why would folks want to upgrade to Windows 10? In other words, there is no reason to, and the incentive thus far hasn't been large enough for people to make the jump. The only way folks are likely going to fully adopt Windows 10 is when Microsoft stops supporting the platform and other corporations only support Windows 10. It doesn't even matter that Windows 10 is free.

 

I came from win 8.1 and upgrading was pretty painless. Just give a little click and wait for it to download, restart your PC and that's about it. As far as you question "why upgrade, 7 works fine." All I can say is sure, it works fine, but win 10 is like less ram intensive and basically a OS that takes up less hard drive space.

[Revan Reborn]

I came from win 8.1 and upgrading was pretty painless. Just give a little click and wait for it to download, restart your PC and that's about it. As far as you question "why upgrade, 7 works fine." All I can say is sure, it works fine, but win 10 is like less ram intensive and basically a OS that takes up less hard drive space.

The other major concern I probably should have mentioned is the inevitable compatibility issues. Whenever you upgrade to a new OS, there's always the chance programs or software on your PC isn't going to be compatible. I've seen quite a few instances of people having issues getting all sorts of programs, including games, to work on Windows 10. The point is there is just little reason to upgrade until folks really have no other choice but to do so. Certainly, until all games start requiring DX12, which won't be anytime soon, people just won't bother to upgrade.

 

If it ain't broke, why "fix" it?

[InterrogationBear]

https://www.netmarke...=10&qpcustomd=0 this is the source so u guys see im not inventing the numebers

You are looking at the wrong numbers. The steam hardware survey is much more relevant.

 

30% of Steam-User have Win10 and a DX12-GPU. It's probably save to assume that the majority of people with a gaming PC use Windows 10 since at least 60% of the computers surveyed won't be able to run a AAA game anyway.

[UniformGreyColor]

The other major concern I probably should have mentioned is the inevitable compatibility issues. Whenever you upgrade to a new OS, there's always the chance programs or software on your PC isn't going to be compatible. I've seen quite a few instances of people having issues getting all sorts of programs, including games, to work on Windows 10. The point is there is just little reason to upgrade until folks really have no other choice but to do so. Certainly, until all games start requiring DX12, which won't be anytime soon, people just won't bother to upgrade.

 

If it ain't broke, why "fix" it?

 

I'm not saying Win 7 is "broke" but win 10 is just a faster OS. If you care, I can link a youtube video that shows you how to disable all those spying settings for win 10.

[Sartoz]

I came from win 8.1 and upgrading was pretty painless. Just give a little click and wait for it to download, restart your PC and that's about it. As far as you question "why upgrade, 7 works fine." All I can say is sure, it works fine, but win 10 is like less ram intensive and basically a OS that takes up less hard drive space.

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Don't forget the little tidbit about Microsoft becoming Big Brother... spying on your every move. And, no, you can't turn it off.

 

source: https://bgr.com/2016...investigation/

 

I will stay with Win 7 as long as possible and avoid being a Lemming.

[Sartoz]

I'm not saying Win 7 is "broke" but win 10 is just a faster OS. If you care, I can link a youtube video that shows you how to disable all those spying settings for win 10.

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Wrong. Read this:  https://bgr.com/2016...investigation/

 

Of course, you could analyze the telemetry data yourself and extract the IP addresses, then insert them in the HOSTS file and see what happens.

[Revan Reborn]

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Wrong. Read this:  https://bgr.com/2016...-investigation/

Indeed. It makes me chuckle when someone tells me they have disabled Windows 10's spy features. It doesn't matter what you think you are disabling, the entire operating system is built with the intent to spy on its users. People don't realize when they click the "I agree" button on those gigantic EULA's before booting up Windows 10 for the first time, you are signing away your legal rights so that Microsoft can gather whatever information it wants from you. By upgrading to Windows 10, you expose yourself to any searches Microsoft wants. They can and will do whatever they want with your information and the only way to fight it is to not upgrade to Windows 10 for as long as you can.

[UniformGreyColor]

 

[Edit] If that doesn't do the trick, you can always disable these features in the registry files.

[Khrystyn]

Today (3-2-16) a new BW Forum thread EA confirms ME:A will be out in Q1 2017 began, and I thought it might have some relevance for commenting on it here - even if it's not 100% confirmed yet.
 
Still speculating, of course: With a Q1 2017 release (only 'mentioned' so far), this pretty much tells me (squinting between the lines) that Andromeda will work with Windows 10 AND DirectX 12 to some degree, and still be backwards compatible with Win 7 64-bit SP-1 Home Premium with DX11. By a full year from now, Win10 will have been in the market for ~18 months, allowing plenty of time for Andromeda, Nvidia and AMD to pull it together for at least optimizing a few DX-12 API's by then. I don't know what this means for graphics cards, and for the minimum and recommended PC system configurations needed for Andromeda. I assume that if a player wants to use (or has to use) DX 12, then they 'might' have to get an Nvidia GTX-900 series card, or an equivalent AMD card. Prices for those cards might drop by $100 from now after Holiday 2016, and especially after Nvidia's Pascal-based cards are shipping. Many of you have pointed to the recommended PC specs for DA:I, which makes for a common sense minimum spec for Andromeda in a Win-10 PC rig.
 
My hope is that BW will publish the recommended PC system specs around 90+ days before Andromeda's official release date.That would be a nice peace offering, to a very limited degree, and a good marketing strategy (I think). I don't want to be in the delivery room (Andromeda's release date) and find out that I'll need to buy 4 baby cribs (an entirely new CPU, MOBO, RAM, and GC) to handle the game's optimal system requirements and future-proof it. I might consider upgrading to Win 10 (depending on M$'s Telemetry spying) if it means that I will get the very best gameplay experience at 1920x1080 full HD res with full anti-aliasing settings, and > 40+ FPS. I really don't want Win 10; I have it on a new laptop and I'm NOT impressed over it's previously excellent Win 7 performance. I bought an Asus GTX 770 in May 2013 for my Win 7 desktop PC, and it seems that it just meets the recommended spec for DA:I, a  la performance-wise. (Geeesh!) As for what I'll do with my rig a year from now, I'm crossing my fingers. I'd like to get at least 3 more years with my current Win 7 desktop system, even though it meets the required Win-10 system specs.
 
On Jan. 13th, M$ ended "mainstream" support for Win 7, although security updates for Windows 7 PCs ends Jan. 14, 2020. Mainstream support for Windows 8 ends on Jan. 9, 2018, with its extended support expiring in 2023. Source: PCmag.com  These facts, and the current market share of Win 7 PCs suggest to me that BW's support for Win 7 DX 11 won't end anytime soon, and not for Andromeda next year. Again, just speculating and hoping. If Win 8.1 is a min spec, I'll be really mad.

[UniformGreyColor]

Someones been reading up on this stuff 

[DaemionMoadrin]

I came from win 8.1 and upgrading was pretty painless. Just give a little click and wait for it to download, restart your PC and that's about it. As far as you question "why upgrade, 7 works fine." All I can say is sure, it works fine, but win 10 is like less ram intensive and basically a OS that takes up less hard drive space.

 

That is only half right. If your old Win7 installation is ~30GB, then the Win10 upgrade won't magically shrink it. It's going to keep all those (now useless) files, especially the driver library which can not be deleted manually without jumping through quite a few hoops (and usually ends with having to do a fresh install anyway).

The best way to get Win10 is to buy it. That way you don't have to go through the upgrade process and get a clean OS without any artifacts from a previous OS. Even worse if you have a Win8 that used to be Win7...

[InterrogationBear]

The best way to get Win10 is to buy it. That way you don't have to go through the upgrade process and get a clean OS without any artifacts from a previous OS. Even worse if you have a Win8 that used to be Win7...

Or you just use your old Windows key to install Win10.

[rossler]

That is only half right. If your old Win7 installation is ~30GB, then the Win10 upgrade won't magically shrink it. It's going to keep all those (now useless) files, especially the driver library which can not be deleted manually without jumping through quite a few hoops (and usually ends with having to do a fresh install anyway).

The best way to get Win10 is to buy it. That way you don't have to go through the upgrade process and get a clean OS without any artifacts from a previous OS. Even worse if you have a Win8 that used to be Win7...

 

The new Windows 10 installer downloaded with the media creation tool doesn't require an upgrade to proceed. I installed Windows 10 on a fresh SSD without Windows 7 a week ago.

 

I assume that if a player wants to use (or has to use) DX 12, then they 'might' have to get an Nvidia GTX-900 series card, or an equivalent AMD card.

 

DirectX 12 runs on any GTX 400 series and up.

 

Another game I was looking at was speculated to run on DirectX 12 exclusively. When the official statement came out, it actually only runs on DirectX 11.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Or you just use your old Windows key to install Win10.

 

Last thing I heard (back in December though) was that MS disabled this for unknown reasons. If it works again now, then yes, that would be the best way. It requires you to create an installation medium, which might be too complicated or tedious for some people, so buying Win10 might be easier for them.

 

Although right now I wouldn't touch that OS even if I was paid for it. Maybe once all the spy stuff can be disabled or MS is forced to do so themselves... but until then, no increase in performance can convince me to give MS access to my data.

You won't see Win10 on many government PCs for that reason. Big companies are not going to use it either. The entire OS doesn't comply with their data safety regulations. Microsoft, as an american company, can be legally compelled by a court listening to the US government or any of its agencies (CIA/NSA/FBI) to let them access any data they stored. You can imagine how unattractive that makes Win10 here in the EU. The only people upgrading are ones who don't know any better, ones that upgraded by accident (thanks to MS pushing Win10 as recommended update lately) and the ones who don't care "because I've got nothing to hide" (aka morons).

 

It is horrifying that the bulk amount of users accepts an OS with a keylogger, that goes through your private files, that logs everything you do and that identifies your specific machine through the hardware specs (Win10 registration/activation). You can get a massive amount of data on a person that way and from that you know almost everything relevant about their lives. Why do people accept this? It's like they haven't learned anything from all the scandals in the past decade...

[Khrystyn]

DirectX 12 runs on any GTX 400 series and up.

 

Thanks for making this comment. Are you also using your GTX 400 series GC to play a 2015/16 Frontbite3 game optimized for all DX-12 API's. I'm trying to learn how all of the variables will fit together. Thanks.

[Degrees1991]

I no like OP and silly video.

[rossler]

Thanks for making this comment. Are you also using your GTX 400 series GC to play a 2015/16 Frontbite3 game optimized for all DX-12 API's. I'm trying to learn how all of the variables will fit together. Thanks.

 

I only know the basic stuff. So the minimum to run DirectX 12.0 is a GTX 400 series. If you want full DirectX 12 support (currently DirectX 12.1), you're going to need a GTX 900 series, or the integrated graphics on Skylake-S CPUs.

 

I'm currently running a GTX 670.

 

Haven't played any DirectX 12 games yet.

[Khrystyn]

 

.... the minimum to run DirectX 12.0 is a GTX 400 series, but to have full DirectX 12 support (currently DirectX 12.1), you're going to need a GTX 900 series.

 

That just what I was thinking about. The status of graphics cards a year form now will be interesting. Thanks for your comments.

[Drakoriz]

You are looking at the wrong numbers. The steam hardware survey is much more relevant.

 

30% of Steam-User have Win10 and a DX12-GPU. It's probably save to assume that the majority of people with a gaming PC use Windows 10 since at least 60% of the computers surveyed won't be able to run a AAA game anyway.

 

Actualy most of gamers still using Win 8.1 or 7 and no 10.

 

Right now the only reason to upgrade to 10 is Quantum Break. Or the remaster version of Gears.

 

Really only games at the moment that are pushing DirectX are the M$ games. Most of those game arent super popular.

 

And like Raven said most ppl will stay on whatever OS they using till Win 10 is stable that isnt right now.

 

Not saying Win 10 change wont happen but making game exclusive to DirectX 12 right now is cutting the sells, and no major AAA companies will do that.