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BioWare, please return to the RPGs of the 90s


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#126
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Was that good? I never played it.

By the standards of its time? Yes. By today's? Not really

I already said, often, not always. In fact, my mini-chart said as such, but I'll edit it to say "generally" because that's more clear. Would assume it's obvious I'm not talking about literally everything.

So basically you're going to try to dress up a less-extreme version of your opinion as fact? Well, I guess that's an improvement.
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By the standards of it's time? Yes. By today's? Not really
 

So basically you're going to try to dress up a less-extreme version of ypur opinion as fact? Well, I guess that's an improvement.

 

So you are now doing what the other guy was doing..... nice to know they just let that happen on this forum casually... not that I was holding out hope for Bioware at this point or anything.



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That makes no sense. You declared your opinions to be facts, and you've been called on that. If you can't deal, then don't pretend your opinions are facts.
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That makes no sense.

 

Well, consider the source.


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That makes no sense.

 

You are engaged in the same process, censorship, I am not offering an "opinion" as stated most people who played these games pretty seriously can see the obvious, that there is a precipitous decline in generalized quality.

 

However, you and others keep trying to change what was stated into something it wasn't, i.e., some form of censorship.



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Well, consider the source.

 

Just blatant and merciless trolling of course, not that it's unexpected at this point or anything.

 

I'm just adding up and tallying the bill for bad things by yalls, don't mind me. It's not necessarily super bad but that's what it is..



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Ah and AlanC9 liked the post too... okay... yeah ok so Bioware is a really good company, trolled and such into eventual oblivion... such an ugly sight.



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It's easy to have a gazillion different dialogue options or choices when all of it is rendered in text and the view is isometric, with the devs not needing to worry about character animations, cinematic conversations, or cutscenes.

 

This.

 

B looking at the original trilogy and their documentaries, it didn't seem like BioWare managed their schedule very well. For ME:A we have someone new in charge of managing this, so here's hoping for better use of today's very expensive development time to help out.



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You are engaged in the same process, censorship, I am not offering an "opinion" as stated most people who played these games pretty seriously can see the obvious, that there is a precipitous decline in generalized quality.
 
However, you and others keep trying to change what was stated into something it wasn't, i.e., some form of censorship.


You don't seem to have any idea what the word "censorship" means. Disagreement is not censorship.
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Ah and AlanC9 liked the post too... okay... yeah ok so Bioware is a really good company, trolled and such into eventual oblivion... such an ugly sight.


What can I say? I'm a fan of well-executed drive-by snark.
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What can I say? I'm a fan of well-executed drive-by snark.

 

And the BSN provides an ideal canvas for it.

 

For my part, I guess I'm just genuinely impressed that someone even played that Sonic game, forget about considering it an important entry in Bioware's oeuvre.


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Skyrim>Morrowind >Oblivion 

Fixed that for you :)


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Fixed that for you :)

 

Well that was at least a reasonable adjustment, because you put Morrowind ahead of Oblivion.

 

But yeah the drop in quality between Morrowind and Skyrim is a bit significant, Skyrim is still kinda fine though.



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Can't stand disagreement so the whole place should be shut down.  Seems reasonable.


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The dialogue-wheel needs an update from the past.

 

I would like to know what information my character's replys contain again before choosing one.



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Can't stand disagreement so the whole place should be shut down.  Seems reasonable.

 

No it's censorship that I'm concerned about, which is exactly all this place is good for at this point.

 

It's normal to have angst, anger, all kinds of issues but 1) This is Bioware's forum, it's not ok to do it using their kind of official stuff and things for stuff like that, there are other websites to kind of do that sort of thing and 2) It's not ok to try and stop other people from making judgments you cannot make (not that it of course prevents it from ever happening) and 3) the brand of angst and anger has oftentimes been particularly severe, not normal grade whining (as often occurred on Blizzard forums for example)

 

Period.

 

I'm not stressed about it, like I said, they probably aren't going to do anything, and I don't really care that people have issues or whatever, but the issues on this site and such have just been so... well... everyone knows what they are I won't dwell on them.

 

And I'm not going to dwell on whatever modern Bioware decides to do, either, mind you, I state what I see and all that, it's up to them to do whatever they want to do, if they keep things the way they are, then I guess that's just what they will do and I won't bother them anymore either. If they cannot see the issues on their own frontyard it's hard to conclude anything other than treat the company itself (despite evidence to the contrary and current existence of people clearly attached to the core values) as essentially null and void with respect to those values currently.



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I already put in a message to some moderator sincerely imploring them to look into heavily modifying or shutting down the forums, I'm not interested in really dealing with this problem anymore. I doubt they will do anything, but I see you all just want to run up the bill as high as possible.


Bill? I don't know what you mean by that.

What sort of changes are you asking the moderators for? No attacks on incorrect and unsubstantiated factual claims? I can't see them going for that.
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No it's censorship that I'm concerned about, which is exactly all this place is good for at this point.
 
It's normal to have angst, anger, all kinds of issues but 1) This is Bioware's forum, it's not ok to do it using their kind of official stuff and things for stuff like that, there are other websites to kind of do that sort of thing and 2) It's not ok to try and stop other people from making judgments you cannot make and 3) the brand of angst and anger has oftentimes been particularly severe, not normal grade whining (as often occurred on Blizzard forums for example)


This makes no sense. You can make judgements all you like; nobody's expressed any opposition to that. It's only you pretending that your rankings of the games is objective fact that people are opposing.

And the only emotion I'm feeling about this thread is amusement.
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#144
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No it's censorship that I'm concerned about, which is exactly all this place is good for at this point.

 

It's normal to have angst, anger, all kinds of issues but 1) This is Bioware's forum, it's not ok to do it using their kind of official stuff and things for stuff like that, there are other websites to kind of do that sort of thing and 2) It's not ok to try and stop other people from making judgments you cannot make and 3) the brand of angst and anger has oftentimes been particularly severe, not normal grade whining (as often occurred on Blizzard forums for example)

 

Period.

 

I'm not stressed about it, like I said, they probably aren't going to do anything, and I don't really care that people have issues or whatever, but the issues on this site and such have just been so... well... everyone knows what they are I won't dwell on them.

 

And I'm not going to dwell on whatever modern Bioware decides to do, either, mind you, I state what I see and all that, it's up to them to do whatever they want to do, if they keep things the way they are, then I guess that's just what they will do and I won't bother them anymore either.

 

You say you're not stressed, but I don't think anyone else is messaging mods imploring them to shut the whole forum down. Which is something you tend to do when people disagree with you. Which seems to happen frequently.

 

And you still have a funny relationship with words and their definitions.


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#145
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No it's censorship that I'm concerned about, which is exactly all this place is good for at this point.

 

It's normal to have angst, anger, all kinds of issues but 1) This is Bioware's forum, it's not ok to do it using their kind of official stuff and things for stuff like that, there are other websites to kind of do that sort of thing and 2) It's not ok to try and stop other people from making judgments you cannot make and 3) the brand of angst and anger has oftentimes been particularly severe, not normal grade whining (as often occurred on Blizzard forums for example)

 

Period.

 

I'm not stressed about it, like I said, they probably aren't going to do anything, and I don't really care that people have issues or whatever, but the issues on this site and such have just been so... well... everyone knows what they are I won't dwell on them.

 

And I'm not going to dwell on whatever modern Bioware decides to do, either, mind you, I state what I see and all that, it's up to them to do whatever they want to do, if they keep things the way they are, then I guess that's just what they will do and I won't bother them anymore either.

 

Nobody has said that you can't express an opinion, they're more calling you out on how you express them.  But calling for the whole place to be shut down because someone disagrees, that's more along the lines of censorship.


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What are a thousand opinions that "I think X is better" against the actual truth that X is worse though?

 

Nothing, ultimately.

 

Except there is no truth outside of how the games are implemented via mechanics and presentation.

 

I said this in another thread, but most RPGs today are going through the metamorphosis of modernization, the systems are less concrete, there is more abstract design and implementation of statistics, numbers, and even mechanics, because it is a move away from a strict table-top setting. A lot of game design is doing this on purpose because of self-gratification, more immediate response to visual and tactile play.  Hell, ive been lazy today by posting a lot of stuff, here is another piece I wrote about this, the Philosophy of Design for RPGs is changing. More or less it sums up my own views on it.

 

Ironically enough, Dragon Age: Inquisition was my example of the hybrid approach to try and reconcile both the concrete and abstract crowd. It's not perfect but it's there, and it's only going to continue.

 

To say it's dumbed down though is a misnomer, and not truly understanding design choices and mechanics here. To say it's not what I like is another story, and closer to the truth. 


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This is more just pure censorship essentially, I never said "think"  or "I" you just take my statements and re-constitute to fuel what you want to see, which is well... not good... it's very common here unfortunately.

 

WOW u really dont see u are forcing your own Opinion as a fact, and u are telling me about censorship lol.

 

Is more u stay that Kotor is when Bioware star declining and again alot of ppl think KoTor a excellent game.



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These are two different things. The BG2 areas are only made available by quest-givers, but most of them aren't related to Irenicus.

In that case, we can ignore Irenicus.

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For Nashkel mines it's true, but we are really forced to go to Nashkel city. Your companions, both Jaheira/Kalhid and Montaron/Xaar press you very hard in the early moments of the game.

You'd have to meet them and let them join first.

My first BG playthrough, I didn't meet either pair until after I'd done everything south of Beregost. My first companion (Kivan) wanted to hunt ogres. My second companion (Garret) had business in Beregost. My next two companions (Minsc and Edwin) both wanted to go to the gnoll stronghold.

No one told me to go to Nashkel. I happened upon it on my way somewhere else, and completed the mines of my own volition because I was already in the zone anyway (to collect the bounty on Prism).

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Same reason I can mention Ultima and Alkabeth, or Daggerfall and Goldbox games, it's roughly the same in different beats.

In the end, those comparisons are roughtly the same with different beats.Regardless, the limits are there in Might and Magic and AutoDuel and the like, some older games arguably hide it better though I will say.

I didn't mention the Ultima games (as great as they are) because they gave you a clear objective fairly early on.

But Questron didn't. Or how about Oubliette, which explicitly had no objective?