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I love Mass Effect, I really do, but I really get annoyed at some of the smaller details seen.

 

1) The camera constantly zooms in on Miranda's butt

2) Samara/Jack/Benezia wear incredibly revealing clothing for no real reason

3) There are tons of strip clubs throughout each game

4) In ME3, almost every woman/asari is wearing a dress

5) Female krogans are covered head to toe

6) A consort is seen as a position of high honor

7) Apparently having sex with Jack/Miranda solves their personal issues

 

It all comes off as rather misogynist, Mass Effect 2 in particular. It's like BioWare subscribes to the idea that beauty and sex empower women, and that there is nothing wrong with sex work.


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I don't see how any of the above implies "misogyny" on the side of the developer. There is a million explanations you can come up with, but "Bioware is sexist" is probably the most stupid one.

 

 

It's like BioWare subscribes to the idea that beauty and sex empower women, and that there is nothing wrong with sex work.

 

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Hard to tell from just a videogame isn't it? And even if we assume they do, whats the problem with that? You disagree? Ok, but that's just your personal opinion that has very little to do with the games lore.

 

Anyway, since this will likely degrade into a flamewar about feminism and sjws, which is the last thing this forum needs, this is my personal opinion to this thread:

 

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I love Mass Effect, I really do, but I really get annoyed at some of the smaller details seen.

 

1) The camera constantly zooms in on Miranda's butt

2) Samara/Jack/Benezia wear incredibly revealing clothing for no real reason

3) There are tons of strip clubs throughout each game

4) In ME3, almost every woman/asari is wearing a dress

5) Female krogans are covered head to toe

6) A consort is seen as a position of high honor

7) Apparently having sex with Jack/Miranda solves their personal issues

 

1) It's Miranda's Ass Effect (No, I have nothing to say here, actually a valid point - but for the usual 'appealing to customer' semi-sexism)

2) In case of Jack there is a reason, it's to show that she is the 'rebel' character. Thane also wears revealing clothing, and Jacob's outfit is more than skin-tight.

3) There are not tons of strip clubs, there is one in each game (like there is at least one in every real city), and I'm not sure if ME3's Purgatory even is supposed to be one. I got the impression it's just supposed to be disco/club.

4) I admit I never noticed this. (But considering that most characters we met are actually military and wearing armour, I'm not sure if it holds.)

5) We've seen one female Krogan, and most male ones encountered are even more covered.

6) The Consort is not a prostitute, or at least not only. (Besides I don't see the problem here: Imagine her status being portrayed otherwise for a minute.)

7) :blink:  Where do you even get that Idea from?


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I love Mass Effect, I really do, but I really get annoyed at some of the smaller details seen.

 

1) The camera constantly zooms in on Miranda's butt

2) Samara/Jack/Benezia wear incredibly revealing clothing for no real reason

3) There are tons of strip clubs throughout each game

4) In ME3, almost every woman/asari is wearing a dress

5) Female krogans are covered head to toe

6) A consort is seen as a position of high honor

7) Apparently having sex with Jack/Miranda solves their personal issues

 

It all comes off as rather misogynist, Mass Effect 2 in particular. It's like BioWare subscribes to the idea that beauty and sex empower women, and that there is nothing wrong with sex work.

 

1. Called Fan Service. It has existed in variations of every game.

 

2. Jack wears it because she wants to. Part of that whole approaching sex casually but pushing people away from getting close. Asari have different variations of sexual set ups. Heck even in this world there are different areas with different feelings towards sex and how casual they are towards it. US is fairly repressed some times.

 

3. There are no strip clubs. There are dances were they dance for your enjoyment but no one actually strips.

 

4. So dresses are  now misogynist? Considering several times a female character kicks ass?

 

5. And again I don't see the issue. Asari showing side boob is bad but Krogan covering themselves is also bad?

 

6. Consort isn't simply a prostitute. But you seem to ignore until recently courtesans were considered important parts. The right one could set herself up with powerful people and give her influence to them and how they would enact laws and such. Someone doesn't seem to know history. Like wise not every species seems to be the super prudes the US tends to be.

 

7. Doesn't solve them more like the culmination of you helping them work though it and to signify they have worked though their issues they have sex with you. Hence why even if you don't romance Miranda or Jack in ME2 in ME3 their issues are well in the past.


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Aren't the Asari meant to be viewed in a sexual pleasing format? They've always been trodden in that way throughout the series. Not that I'm complaining though.

I always thought they were Mass Effect's version of Space Elves.



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that there is nothing wrong with sex work.

 

Can of worms.



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I did find gratuitous shots of Miranda's ass quite eye roll worthy and pandering to the male gamer. They were strategically timed too. Usually when Miranda was asking for Shepard's help. How could Shepard refuse that ass? I felt that the catsuits and ass shots reduced Miranda's character and that Captain Enyala's remark "or does The Illusive Man always let you ****** around in that outfit" was appropriate. Someone at BioWare acknowledged what they did to Miranda. And then there were the high heels that went with the outfit.... and Samara's. Sexy, especially when Samara was snapping the neck of the merc with her boot. But how could they run in them? 

 

Don't get me going on EDI's ******. Or the anatomically correct Banshees - yes, someone went to such detail probably knowing that someone would pause and use their fly cam on the PC to zoom in and check. Note that someone did - what was seen cannot be unseen. These are resources that could have gone elsewhere.

 

This before we get into boob armor in ME2 and ME3. Jack wearing what she wears around the ship is fine. But in the vacuum of space? Nope. And in battle? Nope. Same for Samara. 

 

Breathing masks. The female characters wear breathing masks because of their hair and well, we don't want to cover their faces.... except Tali. 

 

Asari, being an all female race, whose maidens are portrayed as being strippers and running in merc bands. There aren't enough strip bars and merc bands in the galaxy for all those Asari maidens. I don't mind that Asari were portrayed wearing full length tunics. In Game Of Thrones some men are portrayed wearing full length tunics as well. Aria, Vasir, Samara, Morinth and Liara, as did the Asari cops wore pants, so we can assume other Asari wore pants as well. The correct argument here is that some Asari wore full length tunics.

 

Face it. There is sexism in the game, no matter how benign one may think it to be. It exists in video games. There has been an uphill fight to get it out of games. The demographics of gaming has changed over the years with more women playing. We're not a threat to male gamers. However we just don't want female characters to be treated as male fantasies in video games. We just want some balance. In many games featuring a female protagonist, she's still half naked but kicks ass. Her male counterpart isn't half naked. Why is that? Fan service? Or does this now make me a SJW? Actually I don't give a damn if it does.

 

How about this? If Jack has to go into space or into battle with only her boob straps, that Jacob goes into space with no shirt and a breathing mask so I can look at his abs? If Jack can have boob armor, Jacob can have ab armor. That's equal footing. Fan service? Yes. Logical? No. Put them both in full armor. That way I can have my suspension of disbelief. 


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Honestly, I'm a dude, so I don't really feel like I have a right to label something misogynist or not.  That's up to women. Though I do tend to agree with Shotgun Julia's assessment however.  Mass Effect is my favorite series, so hopefully Bioware will do better in the future.


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Pff, that's nothing OP.

 

This is a game where you can not only kill a female's newly born young before brutally murdering her as well, but you can do it while your companions cheer you on every step of the way.

 

 

P.S. I don't think Mass Effect is misogynist, though I do feel that BioWare games would be better served steering away from any "ist" or "ism" words and/or catering to such ideals.


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Breaking news alert!

 

This just in, sex sells, even in video games.

 

Let's not get too carried away here, I'm sure most of the points brought up are nothing more than a great big heaping dish of eye candy catering to the game's target audience rather than some statement that women are nothing more than sex objects. 

 

Mass Effect is no more misogynistic than many other popular science fiction franchises including Star Trek and Buck Rogers. Just go back and look at the outfits they had Erin Grey and Jeri Ryan wearing.

 

Now if you wanted to blame Mass Effect for being misogynistic because most of the female characters in the game seem to have some sort of daddy issues then you might be onto something. 



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Honestly, I'm a dude, so I don't really feel like I have a right to label something misogynist or not. That's up to women. Though I do tend to agree with Shotgun Julia's assessment however. Mass Effect is my favorite series, so hopefully Bioware will do better in the future.


I always agree with Shotgun Julia.

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Breaking news alert!

 

This just in, sex sells, even in video games.

 

Let's not get too carried away here, I'm sure most of the points brought up are nothing more than a great big heaping dish of eye candy catering to the game's target audience rather than some statement that women are nothing more than sex objects. 

 

Mass Effect is no more misogynistic than many other popular science fiction franchises including Star Trek and Buck Rogers. Just go back and look at the outfits they had Erin Grey and Jeri Ryan wearing.

 

Now if you wanted to blame Mass Effect for being misogynistic because most of the female characters in the game seem to have some sort of daddy issues then you might be onto something. 

 

 

 

That doesn't work because most of the male characters have daddy issues as well.

 

If anything, Mass Effect is anti happy, loving childhood. Because it is apparently impossible to excel at combat or be a developed character in this universe without having a deep dark past and/or antagonistic relationships with one's parents.


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I love Mass Effect, I really do, but I really get annoyed at some of the smaller details seen.

1) The camera constantly zooms in on Miranda's butt
2) Samara/Jack/Benezia wear incredibly revealing clothing for no real reason
3) There are tons of strip clubs throughout each game
4) In ME3, almost every woman/asari is wearing a dress
5) Female krogans are covered head to toe
6) A consort is seen as a position of high honor
7) Apparently having sex with Jack/Miranda solves their personal issues

It all comes off as rather misogynist, Mass Effect 2 in particular. It's like BioWare subscribes to the idea that beauty and sex empower women, and that there is nothing wrong with sex work.

1) The camera does a lot of sexy angles on many characters. Male and female. Big deal.

Miranda doesn't run from the idea of using her looks to get what she wants. She wisely uses every asset available to her and i'm quite simply tired of people putting her down for it.

2) They can wear whatever they want. Who are you to decide what a woman should wear?

3) There are NO strip clubs in any Mass Effect game. Much to my dismay.

4) So? Why is this a problem for you?

5) So? Why is this a problem for you?

6) Why wouldn't it be?

7) The potential intimacy between these characters is completely separate from their personal quests.

Beauty and sex does empower women and there is nothing wrong with sex work.
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Honestly, I'm a dude, so I don't really feel like I have a right to label something misogynist or not.  That's up to women. Though I do tend to agree with Shotgun Julia's assessment however.  Mass Effect is my favorite series, so hopefully Bioware will do better in the future.

 

Misogynist would be something that´s motivated by hatred of women. I have seen no indication of this in mass effect. I have seen, however, countless occasions of women´s good looks and sexuality being exploited, like gratuitous close-ups and revealing clothes. But this is exploitive appreciation of women, not hatred towards them. 

 

That is the thank you Bioware gets for adding female options for protagonists as well as romances, as also by adding lgbt content to their games. Some extremists sjw dare to call them misogynistic and homophobic. All the while, real unjust treatment of women and violence towards them gets neglected. 

 

So, by what you´ve just said, unless you're black you are unable to discern racism? Really? I guess that´s why you´re unequipped to call on their contradictions: If an asari wears less it is misogynistic to them. If a Krogan wears a lot, that is too. Paradoxical, huh? 


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Is the game kinda sexist? Yes.

 

I don't like the reason they create Asari was to have their own green all-female alien species only to have them being dancers in nightclubs  (its far more interesting if they were only hermaphroditic for sexual reproduction but asexual without gender denominator). I don't like the camera pandering on Miranda's buttocks. I enter more video game stripper clubs than real ones (which is nada, since the nearest I could do was watching Magic Mike). I always eye-roll when I see Vanderloo-BroShep face on everything as if FemShep never existed when it is her own franchise. The first game barely pass Bechdel Test if you play as BroShep i.e.: two woman talking to each other about something that isn't about men and for longer than a minute... (the only thing that pass this was bringing Liara along the fight against her mother and the elevator talk if you pair Ashley, Tali and Liara together) 
 

But misogynistic? .... ... ... ... ... No.

 

You could play as a woman, for god's sake. 

 

I love Mass Effect, I really do, but I really get annoyed at some of the smaller details seen.

 

1) The camera constantly zooms in on Miranda's butt

2) Samara/Jack/Benezia wear incredibly revealing clothing for no real reason

3) There are tons of strip clubs throughout each game

4) In ME3, almost every woman/asari is wearing a dress

5) Female krogans are covered head to toe

6) A consort is seen as a position of high honor

7) Apparently having sex with Jack/Miranda solves their personal issues

 

It all comes off as rather misogynist, Mass Effect 2 in particular. It's like BioWare subscribes to the idea that beauty and sex empower women, and that there is nothing wrong with sex work.

 

1. This is called fanservicing. And a lot of girls like to see another girl's booty.

2. ditto

3. Nightclubs with dancers on poles. We don't know their stories; maybe they're dancing their sorrows away, maybe they're dancing to raise their family or to fund their education or for some quick money to get out of the hell hole.

4. No. They do wear armors too. Some Asari even wear Alliance fatigues.

5. Why does covering up head to toe is misogyny? A lot of people covered their awrah for a lot of reasons but for most part many felt comfortable to do so. It make them feel protected, it make them feel less vulnerable, independent, visible (because being uncovered meant they're among their families which you're not btw). There's a lot of countries that don't force their females to cover up and in a lot of places, it was their right to wear whatever they want. Misogyny is when people like you felt entitled to shame them because you think it was 'oppressing' them when it was the same exact same sentiment with those who are enamored with the idea that women who don't cover up meant they're asking for it. Everything bad that happened to them, its because they deserved it for not conforming. Two sides of the same coin.

6. Sha'ira is a calculating cold figure of power who know how to use sexuality and play her cards right. 

7. You don't have to romance them at all. It was an option.

 

If you want to be a SJW troll, be more sophisticated about it. Oh wait, when does that even make sense.


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I love Mass Effect, I really do, but I really get annoyed at some of the smaller details seen.

 

1) The camera constantly zooms in on Miranda's butt

2) Samara/Jack/Benezia wear incredibly revealing clothing for no real reason

3) There are tons of strip clubs throughout each game

4) In ME3, almost every woman/asari is wearing a dress

5) Female krogans are covered head to toe

6) A consort is seen as a position of high honor

7) Apparently having sex with Jack/Miranda solves their personal issues

 

It all comes off as rather misogynist, Mass Effect 2 in particular. It's like BioWare subscribes to the idea that beauty and sex empower women, and that there is nothing wrong with sex work.

I would say potentially sexist rather than misogynistic. And there are sexist elements but I don't think the series overall is sexist.

 

I agree with the impracticalities of some of the female characters' outfits (and why is Ash's starting armor white and pink?!). I could never take Samara seriously because she looked like a porn star. And the Miranda butt thing was fairly annoying, and also destroyed her credibility as a character.

 

The asari themselves are a bit strange; I enjoy the idea of a monosexual species, but why do they have to be super sexualized space babes? And why are they all strippers and mercenaries as others have pointed out? It makes sense that a monosexual species would be female, but not that they would automatically be sexually desirable for other species.

 

What would have been really funny is if they had created a monosexual species similar to Earth species. Or else had an hermaphroditic species.

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However, I must point out, that in a thread on a musicians board where there are few gamers and I fly anonymously as I do everywhere on the web, someone asked us to post a picture of ourselves. I posted a picture of an Asari cosplayer. The popularity of this picture led me to the conclusion that if the Asari were real and landed on Earth it would cause a significant drop in the human population which may not be a bad thing in one way but could be in another, depending upon which humans were most attracted to them. 

 

* We did see Asari cops.

* We should have seen Asari construction workers.

* We should have seen Asari mechanics and technicians.

 

This race didn't build a civilization and take over a third of the galaxy by stripping and roaming in merc bands on Thessia. Someone had to build the skyscrapers and the space ships. My guess is they have their share of Rosie Riveters who wear wife beaters. But that wouldn't fit into the "sexy blue space babes" trope, so they were never mentioned and never shown.

 

Honestly, I don't think the series set out to be sexist, but sexism is deeply ingrained in people that it creeps in. BioWare has a female protagonist, but has yet to give the female protagonist her own animations - resources they claim. Bunk I say. They did make the near anorexic femShep conscious of her tummy when Anderson said "soft around the middle" where Sheploo has a totally different animation. Yet femShep sits like a man, walks like a man, and drinks like... well let's say that animation was hilarious and leave it. Jack's character was the furthest thing from sexism in the series in ME2. I loved her character. She pushed people's buttons. My guess is that religious conservatives pressured EA and EA told BioWare to tone it down for ME3. Miranda's ass and catsuit was okay with them though. And Kelly... feed your fish through sexual harassment. Jacob... sex through sexual harassment... no wonder he left and went to Bryn.

 

My guess is that they need to have a woman write the "how to pick up men and women" part for the female protagonist.


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I just want any company to have the stones to actually include some male sexploitation in their game too for a damn change.

 

Why should straight men get to have all the eye candy?



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I had no idea what 'misogynist' meant before visiting this thread. I don't think we have a word for this in my native language actually.

 

Anyway, no I don't think that Mass Effect is misogynist. 



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"* We should have seen Asari construction workers.
* We should have seen Asari mechanics and technicians."

 

Why? Can´t you simply deduce that they exist as a necessity of means?

 

We did see Asari working as cops, detectives, spectres, dancers, sellers at kiosks, owners of shops, industrial spies, mercenaries, secretaries, professional athletes, scientists... 

 

However, it´s a given that the Asari are for centuries established as a prestigious race. An elite of sorts. And yet, they can be seen at times doing menial jobs. 

 

Liara´s father does point out that part of her loss of grace among the asari elite was the fact that she had ideas of trying to create proprietary mass relay technology. They became accommodated for the most part. 

"This race didn't build a civilization and take over a third of the galaxy by stripping and roaming in merc bands on Thessia."

 

I could say the same for American Society (USA), and yet, it´s a fact that their education is going downhill in the last decades. 

 

 "Someone had to build the skyscrapers and the space ships. My guess is they have their share of Rosie Riveters who wear wife beaters. But that wouldn't fit into the "sexy blue space babes" trope, so they were never mentioned and never shown."

 

Well, there must be billions of asari out there in the fictional universe of ME. And  as a bonus for diversity of mentalities, do consider that some of them have influences of krogan fathers. 

 

Personally, since I´m not committed to try to uncover sexism in every place I can appreciate that not only the asari but most of the mass effect races displayed a healthy and balanced diversity of individuals. The two asari councilors have very different approaches. Liara is quite different from her father. Falere and Morinth are very different.

 

"Honestly, I don't think the series set out to be sexist, but sexism is deeply ingrained in people that it creeps in."

 

The same can be said by the compulsion in order to find sexism in everything. Even in air conditioners. When a person digested enough propaganda, everything is sexist, everything is a rape, everything is misogynistic. And they lose sight of real cases of sexual violence and hatred. 

 

"BioWare has a female protagonist, but has yet to give the female protagonist her own animations"

 

It did not ruin my experience. 

 

So, having unique dialogue, cut-scenes, variations of all sorts and even exclusive romances is not good enough? Or even praiseworthy?

 

Btw, female protagonists are not something designed solely for the purpose of attracting female players. Lots of men enjoy heroines and being able to control one. 

 

Personally, I think it´s stupid to offer content for females and homosexuals. The content is for everyone. Everyone can be able to enjoy it. If they require that the protagonist be a female then they are the ones being sexists. 

 

If a female gamer refuses to play a game that only offers a man as a protagonist I think she´s just being stupid. I never refrained from playing phantasy star, tomb raider and so many other games that did not offer a male option. Same thing goes for homosexuals demanding gay romance or an equal number of romances for them, or that all possible romance characters be bisexual. This goes in the exact opposite direction of true diversity.  Some will even dare to say that unless homosexuality is portrayed or allowed to be experienced by the protagonist the creators are bigoted. 

 

These people need to realize that they are not the characters. They simply have a certain amount of control over them. They are not a bishop, nor a queen, nor a king or knight when they play chess. The people who demand these kinds of things are overly-sensitive, very much afraid and very unsure of themselves. 

 

 "- resources they claim."

 

Why would they lie about something like that? 

 

I really don´t get it. If she has the same movements as the male shepard, its bad. But when she reacts differently to anderson jokingly saying she´s getting fatter it´s bad too? 

 

By the way, are you aware that fat distribution in females or males differs? As well as the metabolic rate in which it´s possible to burn it? Not to mention the way in which body image affects both groups? Until very recently eating disorders motivated by body image were almost exclusively a female problem. It was only after the sexual revolution and the gender-confusion (or just fusion) that a significant number of males started to appear on medical journals about it. 

 

"Bunk I say. They did make the near anorexic femShep conscious of her tummy when Anderson said "soft around the middle" where Sheploo has a totally different animation."

 

A batarian also joked that she could be a stripper. He never considered that male shepard could be a male stripper. It works both ways. Wreav and |Bakara can also evoke slight different responses from femshep by virtue of her being a female. 

 

But I have to agree with you, Julia. Femshep is almost anorexic. There´s a graphical mod for PC that changes her body to a more appropriate muscular figure. Much more in line with what we would expect from an elite military officer. 

 

"Jack's character was the furthest thing from sexism in the series in ME2. I loved her character."

 

I´ll never understand the feminist mentality. When the woman is walking almost totally nude even when going to missions its okay as long as she´s nasty and gross. Even though it was done to entice some men. As long as she remembers to constantly spit on the floor all is forgiven. 

 

"My guess is that religious conservatives pressured EA and EA told BioWare to tone it down for ME3. "

 

Are you serious?

 

So ME3 reflects a toned down EA pressured by religious conservatives? With all the foul language? The numerous transgressions of the Second Commandment? With a human/robot romance? Mental sex with Asari? Sex with aliens like Garrus and Tali? With fornication all around? With gay and lesbian romances? Sure, one can see that the creators were trying to please religious conservatives from a mile away. 

 

It seems that the religious conservatives are one of the very few groups that can still suffer discrimination and be blamed for everything (and without proof). It´s almost a knee-jerk reaction to blame them for everything that changes in a direction that would displease certain people. 

 

Don´t like a certain development? Blame the conservative Christians! Don´t mind the fact that the product in question showcases nudity, sex, profanity, sex with alien creatures, robots and people of the same gender. 

 

I do like you a lot, Julia, and agree with you in many diverse situations, but in all frankness, ME3 doesn't look like a product that suffered interferences from conservative religious people.  

 

"Miranda's ass and catsuit was okay with them though."

 

I haven´t seen any of them endorsing it. Btw, even one of the asari in ME2 will call her a ****** for dressing up like that. The female engineer will also complaint. 

 

 "And Kelly... feed your fish through sexual harassment"

 

I see two mature adults on a terrorist cell who decide to become intimate. In any event, the representation of sexual advances in a workplace environment is not necessarily an endorsement of it in real life in serious jobs. This same game will allow you to be unfaithful, to allow hostages to suffer and even die, to commit genocide, to kill people in incredible ways, to be xenophobic... 

 

"Jacob... sex through sexual harassment... no wonder he left and went to Bryn."

Never mind that the same game allows you to extract information by means of torture. 

"My guess is that they need to have a woman write the "how to pick up men and women" part for the female protagonist."

 

Only a woman could satisfy your taste? It´s a job that men simply aren´t tailored to perform?

 

Doesn´t it sound a little... just a little bit... sexist? 

 

Oops.

 

And still, ME2 sold pretty well, was enjoyed by lots of people and received multiple awards (including game of the year). I guess that EA, Bioware and the millions of people who purchased the game can deal with the fact that there´s sexual harassment one the ship. Or the fact that female shepard sits and walks like a dude.   ;)


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http://www.merriam-w...ionary/misogyny

Definition of misogyny

  1. :  a hatred of women

miso·gy·nic play \ˌmi-sə-ˈji-nik, -ˈgī-\ adjective

mi·sog·y·nist play \mə-ˈsä-jə-nist\ noun or adjective

mi·sog·y·nis·tic play \mə-ˌsä-jə-ˈnis-tik\ adjective

 

Oxford

http://www.oxforddic...lish/misogynist

Definition of misogynist in English: noun

A person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women. Example sentences

  • A more depressing group of people it would be difficult to imagine: the boys are bullish jocks or arrogant misogynists, the girls are vain and self-obsessed.

  • ‘It is difficult to imagine what outright misogynists would have done differently,’ she railed.

  • The more enthusiastic their patronising attempts at conversion, the more they reveal themselves to be intolerant, blinkered misogynists. [This example is subjective. It does not say what form of patronizing is being used. It implies treating a a person like a patron in conversion is mysogynist without giving an actual example]

Synonyms

woman-hater;

antifeminist, (male) chauvinist, sexist, hater

informal male chauvinist pig

 

 

Calling anything misogynistic requires more than the object sexualization of a women for being beautiful. Mass Effect is not even Chauvinist. Calling Mass Effect "misogynist" alienates playing this game as a lesbian pursuing another women, for love or sex.
 

I have read the otion to play Mass Effect as a 'sex' simulator with the crew is there. But I had to read that to even know. The romance is not gender oriented, it is bi-sexual in every senario I know of. But, I have only played Mass Effect as female, and I have ever only encouraged strong relationships with a female crew member. I only ever saw one bedroom ending in that regard in the first game. I maintained in both 2 and 3 that I still held my affection for only that one person.
 

So no, Mass Effect is not misogynist, that implies anyone, male or female, pursuing or portraying a womens sexual beauty as hatred. Video games are a form of art, and there are several rooms worth at the Smithsonian with art that portrays women more grossly sexualized than any character is in Mass Effect. The gross miss-use of this word lately offends me, because it is not a gender specific word, using it accuses everyone; Girl, boy, women, man, or any sentient being, etc.


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I just want any company to have the stones to actually include some male sexploitation in their game too for a damn change.

Why should straight men get to have all the eye candy?


There's at least one "Miranda angle" shot of Jacobs butt in the game. You know Jacob right? The handsome, well built Cerberus agent who wears what is essentially a catsuit for men? You even get to spy on him working out topless.
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Can of worms.

 

And Traynor making a pass on me at every opportunity and checking my butt is ok, then?

 

Now that's a can of worms opened... :ph34r:



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Yeesh, I got a lot of criticism up there. I'm not that bad. Really I'm not. You know we can have some fun with this stuff, too.....

 

Kasumi: You look great, Shepard. You should wear this stuff more often.

 

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Tell me someone didn't go out of their way to put there shot in there? But I have fun captioning screenshots to fit a new story line and make things a bit ridiculous. This one I couldn't resist.  :lol:

 

The game was far from misogynistic. I did point out the incident with Captain Enyala and Miranda .... "... or does Cerberus always let you ***** around in that outfit." 

 

Here's an interesting video containing unused audio in the game. The first line spoken is the unused audio and is the line I suspect was supposed to be used until you triggered the romance, but instead we got the harassment version throughout the game. Having been sexually harassed at work, I'm a little sensitive. The latter felt creepy to me when I first had Shepard approach Jacob. Whether this was intentional or an oversight is another matter. 

 

Spoiler

 

And yes, you can do terrible things: torture, murder, genocide.... but Spectre Authority and no questions asked.



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I would like a reasonably attractive girl to sexually harass me at work. It'll probably never happen. But a man can dream...
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