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[AedanStarfang]

Who would like to see the class make an appearance in the next installment as a fully fleshed out spec (like how Cassandra described it in Inquisition)? 

[thesuperdarkone2]

You do know the seekers can be disbanded?

[The Baconer]

The fluff of becoming a Seeker can't realistically be accommodated. I could see an entirely new archetype that works off of a similar concept... or just bring back Spirit Warrior in a way that makes sense.

[Jedi Comedian]

Would certainly make more sense if Cass' spec was Seeker, instead of Templar (unique specs for the party members was something DA2 did absolutely right).

[AedanStarfang]

You do know the seekers can be disbanded?

I'm not talking about the organization, I'm talking about the power/class itself which can exist outside of the group.

[almasy87]

Why not? Although I don't usually play warriors, but it might be interesting..

[nightscrawl]

I would prefer that they do unique specs that don't conform to some sort of lore group with pre-existing baggage. It was quite silly that Cassandra had the templar spec. I understand why they did it for gameplay reasons -- I DO totally get that. But I'm getting a little tired of having to "understand why they did something for gameplay reasons." If something doesn't align with the lore, then do something else.

 

I also thought it was odd that Iron Bull was a reaver, that Sera was a tempest, and that Dorian was a necromancer because they did not attempt to customize those follower specs to their character. Dorian had the same necromancy skills that the Inquisitor learns from an actual Mortalitasi, which seems unlikely.

 

Let the companions have unique specs, like the followers in DA2.

 

They took a step in the right direction with templar in DAI by having an actual templar come to train, and have your PC craft a filter and take lyrium. Even if it was all cosmetic and only RP based -- that is, the PC never had repercussions a la Cullen for doing this -- I thought that was a fantastic step in the right direction.

 

So no, I don't want a seeker spec in DA4. I would prefer fresh, new specs, or existing specs that are more or less generic, such as champion, spirit healer, blood mage, assassin, and so on. If they have followers share the same specs again, I would like them to go back to the model of the follower teaching you the spec, which would hopefully be more involved than, "I really like you, so I'll teach you the skills if you want. *Zap* OK, you're good to go," as was done with DAO.

[Bardox9]

Unless the Protagonist is a Seeker, I don't think you should be able to have the abilities of one. Didn't approve of the Templar spec in DA:O either. Those are skills acquired their years of training, I'm sure Alistair is a fine instructor on how to wield a sword, but to teach you templar abilities? Me thinks no. Especially if you play a dwarf. In the Seekers case it also requires being made tranquil and summoning a spirit to possess you. I don't think anyone in the Inquisition was jumping on that train. Even Cassandra was revolted by the idea.

 

Unless the character is already a seeker, you should not have the option to use their abilities as they dedicate years of their life to acquiring them. It shouldn't be something one can spec into after sticking enough NPC's with your sword a few times... Unless it's like DA2 where there are huge gaps of time as the story progresses. You get a spec after an act/chapter has been completed. Then sure. You can do it then. Otherwise it just gives a sense of cheapness to the whole idea.

[Pensieve]

I think having a Seeker spec would be just as weird as it was for Cassandra to get the Templar spec.

[Ashagar]

I would approve if you started the game as a seeker though there would have to be a explaination on why there is a alive seeker who is not cassandra or one of her trainees. After all they made a big deal on how all the seekers were dead in inqusiton. Of course I would be quite happy if we were a just Magister in the next game with all the pitfalls that would imply.

[Bardox9]

I would approve if you started the game as a seeker though there would have to be a explaination on why there is a alive seeker who is not cassandra or one of her trainees. After all they made a big deal on how all the seekers were dead in inqusiton. Of course I would be quite happy if we were a just Magister in the next game with all the pitfalls that would imply.

A "just Magister"?? The two words don't go together. It's true that not all mages of Tevinter have slave as stock for blood rites and rituals, but all the Magisters do. I don't have a problem with Blood Magic in general. As long as it's your own life force you use. It's when you start drain it from others and killing people with it that you have "gone to the dark side". The Magisters do not practice both the former and the ladder. "Just" does not apply.

 

Now a Tevinter mage that does not use blood mage would be a other story. Such a mage, you could apply "just" to. Something you could RP out through the game. Which path do you choose? Murder the innocent to further your own power OR serve as an example and try to reform your nation?

[draken-heart]

1) I Would rather have spirit warrior (or something similar) back than a seeker class.

 

I would approve if you started the game as a seeker though there would have to be a explaination on why there is a alive seeker who is not cassandra or one of her trainees. After all they made a big deal on how all the seekers were dead in inqusiton. Of course I would be quite happy if we were a just Magister in the next game with all the pitfalls that would imply.

 

2) I would rather avoid being yet another noble-born/of noble blood next game. Need to play a commoner (again, maybe if you count Hawke for the first chapter).

[Artona]

That would make sense only if "Seeker" would be starting start, which isn't such a bad idea - why not determine player by his class, rather by his race? Starting as Seeker, Magister, Ben-Hassrath, Legionnaire of the Dead would be nicer than - once again - being a "warrior" or "rogue".

[nightscrawl]

A "just Magister"?? The two words don't go together. It's true that not all mages of Tevinter have slave as stock for blood rites and rituals, but all the Magisters do. I don't have a problem with Blood Magic in general. As long as it's your own life force you use. It's when you start drain it from others and killing people with it that you have "gone to the dark side". The Magisters do not practice both the former and the ladder. "Just" does not apply.

 

Now a Tevinter mage that does not use blood mage would be a other story. Such a mage, you could apply "just" to. Something you could RP out through the game. Which path do you choose? Murder the innocent to further your own power OR serve as an example and try to reform your nation?

 

Not all magisters do this. Dorian doesn't. I'll assume that Maevaris also doesn't or she wouldn't be Dorian's friend. Halward did not as a general rule, and we don't know how he was going to conduct the planned ritual on Dorian. Perhaps Alexius as well before his life got borked. Then there are the young noobs that are a part of Dorian and Mae's lucerni party. There is a codex found in The Still Ruins by a magister talking about how stupid blood magic use it, even with the best of intentions.

 

I'm sure there are more.

 

Ashagar above made an interesting remark in adding, "with all the pitfalls that would imply," because the reason for a mage or magister to use blood magic in Tevinter is to get ahead of the competition and have an advantage in the endless, dangerous political games they participate in. A magister that purposely does not use blood magic, for whatever reason, will have to navigate the viper's nest through other means. It IS possible, but people usually like to take the "easy" method.

 

 

At any rate, this is getting far away from the topic at hand.

[JadeDragon]

Or Spirit Warrior can just make a return in DA4. That's what i felt cassandra class shouldve been based on the way she described the seekers.

[Bardox9]

Not all magisters do this. Dorian doesn't. I'll assume that Maevaris also doesn't or she wouldn't be Dorian's friend. Halward did not as a general rule, and we don't know how he was going to conduct the planned ritual on Dorian. Perhaps Alexius as well before his life got borked. Then there are the young noobs that are a part of Dorian and Mae's lucerni party. There is a codex found in The Still Ruins by a magister talking about how stupid blood magic use it, even with the best of intentions.

 

I'm sure there are more.

 

Ashagar above made an interesting remark in adding, "with all the pitfalls that would imply," because the reason for a mage or magister to use blood magic in Tevinter is to get ahead of the competition and have an advantage in the endless, dangerous political games they participate in. A magister that purposely does not use blood magic, for whatever reason, will have to navigate the viper's nest through other means. It IS possible, but people usually like to take the "easy" method.

 

 

At any rate, this is getting far away from the topic at hand.

Dorian is not a Magister. He is an Altus. Maevaris is a Magister, but that is an accident of birth due to her families position. Her vocal opposition to the use of blood magic has her falling out of favor with the rest of the Magisterium. She likely will not be a Magister much longer. Halward is a Magister and has used Blood magic in an attempt to "correct" his gay son. It's why Dorian ran away. Alexius is a Magister and has used blood magic. I suspect that is why Fiona does remember meeting with the Inquisitor should you go to Redcliff after Val Royveaux.

 

As a general rule, magisters use blood magic to maintain their position in Tevinter society. The most powerful mages are the ones that rule in the Imperium. Blood magic rituals give them the edge above the lesser houses.

[The Baconer]

Dorian is not a Magister. He is an Altus. 

 

He's a Magister as of Trespasser.

[nightscrawl]

Dorian is not a Magister. He is an Altus. Maevaris is a Magister, but that is an accident of birth due to her families position. Her vocal opposition to the use of blood magic has her falling out of favor with the rest of the Magisterium. She likely will not be a Magister much longer. Halward is a Magister and has used Blood magic in an attempt to "correct" his gay son. It's why Dorian ran away. Alexius is a Magister and has used blood magic. I suspect that is why Fiona does remember meeting with the Inquisitor should you go to Redcliff after Val Royveaux.

As a general rule, magisters use blood magic to maintain their position in Tevinter society. The most powerful mages are the ones that rule in the Imperium. Blood magic rituals give them the edge above the lesser houses.

I disagree with your characterization, but I'm not going to argue about it in a thread about seekers.

 

 

Or Spirit Warrior can just make a return in DA4. That's what i felt cassandra class shouldve been based on the way she described the seekers.

 

The main problem with the seeker class/spec specifically is the way Cassandra describes the method of becoming a seeker; not a simple process by any means, and should not be taken lightly by a game if a player were to become one. And what of dwarves? Can they become seekers? There are dwarven templars, but templars are not made in the same manner as seekers. Becoming tranquil requires a connection to the Fade that dwarves do not have.

 

Then again, they've shown they are willing to hand-wave certain lore aspects in favor of gameplay, which is certainly their prerogative. So who knows, really?

 

I don't foresee the player starting out as a seeker simply because that goes against the model of normal warrior (or mage or rogue) we've had in all three previous games. All warriors start out the same and then gain unique abilities that they spec into. This allows for the growth and progress of the PC, just as leveling and putting in skill points does.

[AedanStarfang]

I can see the player becoming a seeker for the same reason they can quickly and efficiently become a Templar without the years of training. But I don't want to see a re-spec of the Templar class, I want the abilities and powers that Cassandra talked about bringing Mages and Templars to their knees.

[ModernAcademic]

Who would like to see the class make an appearance in the next installment as a fully fleshed out spec (like how Cassandra described it in Inquisition)? 

 

I wish we could see many classes with amazing gifts that were hinted throughout the series: seekers, dreamers, elven sentinels, etc.

[XEternalXDreamsX]

I would like to add something, aside from the Seeker specialization that everyone covered really well.

With the limitations of the PS3 and Xbox 360 being removed from the development of DA4, I wonder if they have the software and hardware to expand upon the classes and specialization.

I found the Sword & Shield and Champion reinforced the tank aspect but players could balance Reaver with Sword & Shield. It would be nice that the Bioware team keeps that freedom. Not that I'm worried but I applaud them for that.

What I would like to see is the expansion of base classes. An example of the following would require balance testing by those in the Bioware team.

Example:
Sword & Shield Tree
-Highest Defense Tank
-Lowest Damage Output (in comparison)

Two Hand Weapon Tree
-Medium Defense Tank (Off-tank capabilities)
-Higher end damage via large hits (like usual)

Dual Weapon Tree
- Lowest Defense Tank but still viable
-Higher end damage via sustained damage

Of course, that's just off the top on my head so it may not work. It will give those who enjoy dual wield warriors from DAO another shot. It could possibly work similar to some duelist abilities and not wield daggers to let the rogue remain the dual dagger king.

They could also diversify the class tree to have substantially different abilities in comparison to dual daggers to keep it viable since you could always build a tanky DD rogue.

If they can get a"new" weapon class for the rogue and warrior (and more diversity as far as the Mage), and each weapon class have a "favored" specialization that compliments it but still have option of the other specializations to balance themselves in the option of roles. I'd be for that!
I hope future specializations have a tie in to the nature of the plot, IMO.

[Kieran G.]

Question. Yes they're templars in Tevinter. But are or were the Seeker actually active in Tevinter?

 the Modern 9 age Seekers seem to mostly be a Southern Andrastian group who work under the Divine only, and i doubt they would take order from the Black Divine. But i can't remember anything stating in Asunder or Codex's if there was a sect of Seekers in the Imperium except for case's like Lambert where he was a Tevinter Templar and later moved to orlais and became a seeker.

[Ashagar]

If there are any Tevinter seekers its possible they became a splinter group beholden to neither the Imperial chantry or the southern chantry when the Imperial chantry restored its independence from the newer southern chantry. In which case they are likely a secretive group operating in the shadows.

[The Baconer]

Lambert was not a Tevinter native. He was born in Orlais, and moved upward through the Templar ranks to eventually become a Seeker. He was sent to act as a "liaison" in Tevinter. 

[Dancing_Dolphin]

Seeker would be fun to play against the mages in Tevinter. Imagine being able to ignite the lyrium in their blood as a focus power? Yes, please.