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[Andrew Lucas]

Please, not another Inquisitor 2.0. Quizzy is a blank vessel, hardly engaging. Stay away from it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Please, not another Inquisitor 2.0. Quizzy is a blank vessel, hardly engaging. Stay away from it.

The Inquisitor was more engaging than Hawke and Shepard. 

[Andrew Lucas]

Was more engaging than Hawke and Shepard.

Sure, cause you get to chose races that changes nothing. Gimme a break.

Shepard is iconic in the industry, for a reason. Quizzy is not, months later nobody reminds her/him. Heck, even the Dragonborn gets more recognition.

ME1 Shepard beats the crap out of the boring Inquisition whose main objective is to decide what to do with a prisoner.

At least Trespasser improved Quizzy quite a bit.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sure, cause you get to chose races that changes nothing. Gimme a break.

Not was I was referring to. They were more engaging than Shepard because I was actually able to play the kind of character I wanted to play, rather than Bioware assuming half of 'my' character's personality and mindset for me(and getting it wrong pretty much every single time).

 

Shepard is iconic in the industry, for a reason. Quizzy is not, months later nobody reminds her/him. Heck, even the Dragonborn gets more recognition.

Sure, but not for the reasons you are thinking. And female Inquisitor was just put on a list of the top female characters in gaming, so you're wrong about everyone forgetting the Inquisitor. 

 

ME1 Shepard beats the crap out of the boring Inquisition whose main objective is to decide what to do with a prisoner.

Interesting how you reduced Shepard to ME1 Shepard. I will agree that of the three games, ME1 handled Shepard the best. 

 

At least Trespasser improved Quizzy quite a bit.

I'll agree that Trespasser did a great job. 

[ZipZap2000]

Shepard>Squizzy>Warden>Hawke.

[Battlebloodmage]

Shepard>Squizzy>Warden>Hawke.

Shepard > Hawke > Warden >>>>>>> Pile of garbage >>>> Krogan >>>>> Inquisitor

[Quarian Master Race]

Shepard > Hawke > Warden >>>>>>> Pile of garbage >>>> Krogan >>>>> Inquisitor

I agree except I would've put the pile of garbage ahead of the rest. Rotting pizza has the most flavour of anything in that list.

[ZipZap2000]

Shepard > Hawke > Warden >>>>>>> Pile of garbage >>>> Krogan >>>>> Inquisitor

Blasto's only real in the movies princess, keep that up and I'll turn your people into those fried crackers that come with Chinese food.

[Andrew Lucas]

Not was I was referring to. They were more engaging than Shepard because I was actually able to play the kind of character I wanted to play, rather than Bioware assuming half of 'my' character's personality and mindset for me(and getting it wrong pretty much every single time).
 

Sure, but not for the reasons you are thinking. And female Inquisitor was just put on a list of the top female characters in gaming, so you're wrong about everyone forgetting the Inquisitor. 
 

Interesting how you reduced Shepard to ME1 Shepard. I will agree that of the three games, ME1 handled Shepard the best. 
 

I'll agree that Trespasser did a great job.

Whether you got or not to play as you wanted, point is, Quizzy does nothing memorable, says nothing memorable, accomplishs nothing memorable which actually required some work by the player.

While Shepard, as evidenced by Miranda's dialogue in ME2, succeeded with his owns skills, he doesn't own his success to some magical source of power who pretty much can destroy everything. Quizzy just sits on his/her throne and points a finger at everyone while the advisors do the rest of the work, how engaging.

Female Inquisitor is the same as Male Inquisitor. They're both bland and empty of life. You want to know a much more fleshed out female character? Clementine, miles better than female Quizzy if you want to separate.

Nah, in ME1 you had a dialogue wheel that mostly possessed the same line, and Shepard rarely gets to express himself/herself at all. He's not that far away from Quizzy, but still gets to be more interesting since the characters works his way into the top. Warden? Hawke? Yup.

[Battlebloodmage]

Blasto's only real in the movies princess, keep that up and I'll turn your people into those fried crackers that come with Chinese food.

At least this one can always make more. This one is not on a path of a slow extinction. 

[ZipZap2000]

At least this one can always make more.

Ha!

Urdnot Mordin cured the Genophage 300 years ago pyjack. There's a line of females outside my dwelling right now, stretches on as far as you can imagine. I had to sneak out my own bathroom window.

[ZipZap2000]

This one is not on a path of a slow extinction.

You can be!

[Andrew Lucas]

Ha!
Urdnot Mordin cured the Genophage 300 years ago pyjack. There's a line of females outside my dwelling right now, stretches on as far as you can imagine. I had to sneak out my own bathroom window.

Oh Zip, did you drink too much coffee, again...?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Whether you got or not to play as you wanted, point is, Quizzy does nothing memorable, says nothing memorable, accomplishs nothing memorable which actually required some work by the player.

Nothing memorable to you. Your opinion is not fact. 

Everything any protagonist does in a video game requires some work by the player, since we control them. 

 

While Shepard, as evidenced by Miranda's dialogue in ME2, succeeded with his owns skills, he doesn't own his success to some magical source of power who pretty much can destroy everything.

You mean other than the Cipher, which without that Shepard would have been running around like a chicken with their head cut off having no idea where the Conduit was. 

Many of the Inquisitor's accomplishments had nothing to do with the Mark. Defeating Corypheus' army at Haven, ending the Orlesian Civil War, putting a Titan back to sleep, killing an Avaar god, etc. 

 

Female Inquisitor is the same as Male Inquisitor. They're both bland and empty of life. You want to know a much more fleshed out female character? Clementine, miles better than female Quizzy if you want to separate.

I agree Clementine is a great character, but what does she have to do with nobody remembering the Inquisitor. There are video game characters who blow Shepard out of the water as much as you are saying Clementine does to Inquisitor, so what's your point? 

 

Nah, in ME1 you had a dialogue wheel that mostly possessed the same line, and Shepard rarely gets to express himself/herself at all. He's not that far away from Quizzy, but still gets to be more interesting since the characters works his way into the top. Warden? Hawke? Yup.

What work to the top? Shepard is in the highest position they ever get within the first act of the first game, and that's just because their sponsor died. If they didn't, we'd be a Spectre within the first hour. The Inquisitor spends more time working to become the Inquisitor than that.

[ZipZap2000]

Oh Zip, did you drink too much coffee, again...?

C-sec confiscated my Ryncol.

[Andrew Lucas]

Nothing memorable to you. Your opinion is not fact.
Everything any protagonist does in a video game requires some work by the player, since we control them.


You mean other than the Cipher, which without that Shepard would have been running around like a chicken with their head cut off having no idea where the Conduit was.
Many of the Inquisitor's accomplishments had nothing to do with the Mark. Defeating Corypheus' army at Haven, ending the Orlesian Civil War, putting a Titan back to sleep, killing an Avaar god, etc.


I agree Clementine is a great character, but what does she have to do with nobody remembering the Inquisitor. There are video game characters who blow Shepard out of the water as much as you are saying Clementine does to Inquisitor, so what's your point?


What work to the top? Shepard is in the highest position they ever get within the first act of the first game, and that's just because their sponsor died. If they didn't, we'd be a Spectre within the first hour. The Inquisitor spends more time working to become the Inquisitor than that.

Neither is yours, I don't know why would you say that to begin with. What work? The Inquisition is ready from the get - go, there's no real sense of challenge to the PC or the player, whereas in Mass Effect you basically have build your team and army which will actually impact the outcome of the conflict, giving the PC and player something to be proud of, or not.

The Cipher didn't give Shepard any power. He/She still was a single human being whose existence could cease to exist at any second, I mean - Shepard actually died, as crazy as it may have been, he/she did.

He/She possessed the mark, that gives him/her a huge leverage over his/her enemies. Anyone could have activated that catapult, end the Orlesian War, but I'll give you the last two ones.

You know my point, those characters are far better, and gets more recognition than Quizzy, much more. Not just for the lolz.

How so? Shepard didn't even knew what the mission was about. That's how much important he/she is to the bigger scheme of things.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Neither is yours, I don't why would you say that to begin with. What work? The Inquisition is ready from the get go, there's no real sense of challenge to the PC or the player, whereas in Mass Effect you basically have build your team and army which will actually impact the outcome of the conflict, giving the PC and player something to be proud of, or not.

I neither claimed mine did. I'm not the one saying one of the protagonists is objectively bad, but just I didn't like them.

You have to do the same things for both. 

 

The Cipher didn't give Shepard any power. He/She still was a single human being whose existence could cease to exist at any second, I mean - Shepard actually died, as crazy as it may have been, he/she did.

He/she possessed the mark, that gives him/her a huge leverage over his/her enemies. Anyone could have activated that catapult, end the Orlesian War, but I'll give you the last two ones.

It gave them knowledge, which any military or government will tell you is power, and let them access things that gave them an asset to defeat the Reapers not once but twice.And the Inquisitor was also just a person who could have died at any moment. The whole Shepard dying only to be brought back is the dumbest thing in the Shepard Trilogy, and showcases that they weren't just a person. If they were, why bring them back? 

 

I'm not saying it didn't. I agree it did. But they did amazing things without relying on it as well. I'm glad you agree with some of my examples. 

 

You know my point, those characters are far better, and gets more recognition than Quizzy, much more. Not just for the lolz.

I know your point, but I don't see how it has any standing unless you're saying only the most iconic characters are the good ones, in which case Shepard is in the same boat as the Inquisitor because there are characters more recognized and iconic than both of them combined several times over. 

 

How so? Shepard didn't even knew what the mission was about. That's how much important he/she is to the bigger scheme of things.

Shepard learns the truth of the Eden Prime mission within the first few minutes, and after that knew their mission at any point in time(other than the first mission of ME2 before meeting TIM) since they were one of the only ones who even saw it as a mission or were the spearhead for the people they were working for. 

 

But perhaps we should agree to disagree and drop this. Neither of our opinions will change and we are offtopic. 

[Andrew Lucas]

I neither claimed mine did. I'm not the one saying one of the protagonists is objectively bad, but just I didn't like them.
You have to do the same things for both.


It gave them knowledge, which any military or government will tell you is power, and let them access things that gave them an asset to defeat the Reapers not once but twice.And the Inquisitor was also just a person who could have died at any moment. The whole Shepard dying only to be brought back is the dumbest thing in the Shepard Trilogy, and showcases that they weren't just a person. If they were, why bring them back?

I'm not saying it didn't. I agree it did. But they did amazing things without relying on it as well. I'm glad you agree with some of my examples.


I know your point, but I don't see how it has any standing unless you're saying only the most iconic characters are the good ones, in which case Shepard is in the same boat as the Inquisitor because there are characters more recognized and iconic than both of them combined several times over.


Shepard learns the truth of the Eden Prime mission within the first few minutes, and after that knew their mission at any point in time(other than the first mission of ME2 before meeting TIM) since they were one of the only ones who even saw it as a mission or were the spearhead for the people they were working for.

Okay then. This is all my opinion.

The military couldn't care less about Shepard. He/She basically stayed on his/her own for half the trilogy doing what nobody would. He/She was on the field walking towards bullets instead of playing political games for the larger majority of the time.

Quizzy could have died, indeed, but such tension is never present in the game. You're basically a Gary/Mary Sue, accomplishs everything without any difficulties at all - story wise. There's no sense of danger and hopelessness. It's all triumphs. No struggle.

I didn't say that the recognition solely meant Shepard is the best character out there, but it does play a huge role, not only that, but Shepard's little story was elected as the most influential saga in the 7th gen, by IGN's community, and we can't forget 2012's VGA where Shepard ran for protagonist of the year.

So yeah, I do think He/She is far better than Quizzy, and it's deserved. I've never been more invested in a character like I was with Shepard. Warden, Lee, Geralt and Ezio are the ones close to Shep imo, at least for gaming.

Yes, Shepard eventually learns the truth, and goes do his job, but even at that point, He/She had little power or importance to the galaxy. Hell, the Council still chastised him/her after becoming a Spectre, he/she doesn't have the same influential power Quizzy has.

Regarding the discussion, whatever you want, your call.

[DarthSliver]

Okay then. This is all my opinion.

The military couldn't care less about Shepard. He/She basically stayed on his/her own for half the trilogy doing what nobody would. He/She was on the field walking towards bullets instead of playing political games for the larger majority of the time.

Quizzy could have died, indeed, but such tension is never present in the game. You're basically a Gary/Mary Sue, accomplishs everything without any difficulties at all - story wise. There's no sense of danger and hopelessness. It's all triumphs. No struggle.

I didn't say that the recognition solely meant Shepard is the best character out there, but it does play a huge role, not only that, but Shepard's little story was elected as the most influential saga in the 7th gen, by IGN's community, and we can't forget 2012's VGA where Shepard ran for protagonist of the year.

So yeah, I do think He/She is far better than Quizzy, and it's deserved. I've never been more invested in a character like I was with Shepard. Warden, Lee, Geralt and Ezio are the ones close to Shep imo, at least for gaming.

Yes, Shepard eventually learns the truth, and goes do his job, but even at that point, He/She had little power or importance to the galaxy. Hell, the Council still chastised him/her after becoming a Spectre, he/she doesn't have the same influential power Quizzy has.

Regarding the discussion, whatever you want, your call.

 

I didn't think the Inquistor was bland, I thought the areas we were put in were too empty and open, bland. Not filled up like Skyrim does. What was wrong with Inquisition was there wasn't a direct path to follow and the story was easily forgotten among exploring and hitting all the side quest you could for those power points. I mean look at the Warden, the Warden is a pretty good solid character but they had a more set forth path to follow unlike the Inquisitor. They didn't have tons of distractions from the already dull story that seem to occur. If you just go for the goal with the Inquisitor and don't get distracted, you can see how good of a character the Inquisitor was. Corypheus was the worst boss fight though so I do hope you aren't holding that against Quizzy, but it does feel like we only got like half a game with Inquisition because of how bad the boss fight was. You get that boss fight and its like this can't be it, now the truly big big reveal will happen and the real boss will be revealed lol. 

 

Just remember it is the story and how it is written that also makes the character. 

[10K]

Oh hell no, that annoying blue broad was forced upon the player over and over in ME 3. The Devs wanted her on the Normandy so badly that they made LotSB dlc seem like a waste of time. The shadow broker was to a have a abundance of resources, but Cerberus is able to take her ship. It was evident EAware wanted her to be on Shepard's ship. I was tortured with her, I don't want to be tortured with her children. Leave Liara out of this game!!

[wright1978]

I didn't think the Inquistor was bland, I thought the areas we were put in were too empty and open, bland. Not filled up like Skyrim does. What was wrong with Inquisition was there wasn't a direct path to follow and the story was easily forgotten among exploring and hitting all the side quest you could for those power points. I mean look at the Warden, the Warden is a pretty good solid character but they had a more set forth path to follow unlike the Inquisitor. They didn't have tons of distractions from the already dull story that seem to occur. If you just go for the goal with the Inquisitor and don't get distracted, you can see how good of a character the Inquisitor was. Corypheus was the worst boss fight though so I do hope you aren't holding that against Quizzy, but it does feel like we only got like half a game with Inquisition because of how bad the boss fight was. You get that boss fight and its like this can't be it, now the truly big big reveal will happen and the real boss will be revealed lol. 

 

Just remember it is the story and how it is written that also makes the character. 

 

I very much thought the inquisitor was bland. I'm all for neutral dialogue options to be present but there needs to be more of a range. Inquisitor had his/her wings clipped.

[Mdizzletr0n]

Hardly
The Inquisitor is hilariously boring throughout the game up until the Trespasser DLC. More races means more Neutral,monotone dialogue and th as t would be terrible. Compared to the Inquisitor, Shepard feels like a real person with a range of emotion which I like, even Hawke from DA2 was better at expressing his/her self better than the Inquisitor
So a singular story is much better imo.

Shepard? Emotion? Did you ever, you know....play Mass Effect? Shep had the emotional range of toast.

Also, while I did like the option of choice in DA:I, I do agree that the protagonist was bland. But I wouldn't say it was because we had the choice of race as much as it was that they tacked it on last minute. Had it been the idea from the get go, we might be talking about a completely different experience. It's a shame really.

[Scarlett]

Wouh guys... reading the topic do not make me want to play the inquisitor... I'm already not fond at all to play one on DAI after what I'm currently reading about them on my DA2 game but now... Well I will see by myself soon enough, but for now, I haven't found any better character than my Shepard... wait and see !

 

About the subject, I think the female character is a human, not an asari. Well everything been said on the topic anyways. I don't mind playing a human only, but it would also be nice to pick the race. They obviously don't do that because of the story and world : Krogan, Turians, Asari .... have different cultures and way to think/live than us, so it's far more complicated for the players to identify themselves to those kind of characters. I mean, it would be totally weird (and IMO a sacrilege) to play a turian/krogan/asari with our human way to think an react.

[SporkFu]

Ehhh, make your own mind up about the Inquisitor, don't listen to what anyone else has to say.

[Scarlett]

Ehhh, make your own mind up about the Inquisitor, don't listen to what anyone else has to say.

 

Don't worry, I will, it just scares me a little now XD