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[KaiserShep]

I'll stick with my fiesty, redheaded human rogue TYVM.

I see the allure, though. I actually almost wanted to play a elf, but ultimately the fact none of the player voices are so distinctly different from the welsh/scottish accents every other elf uses (I think? If any don't I never encountered them) pretty much killed any immersion that would have been.

Not to mention the whole "what's a Mythal" and "What does THAT elven god do?" Stuff during the temple, just... Nasty.

The lack of the proper accent does kill the appeal of the elven Inquisitor for me. I understand that it saves quite a bit on resources to limit it to 4 tracks instead of 6, but still. I would likely have used the accent for my human femQuiz as well, because I really dig it so.

[jlb524]

I'll stick with my fiesty, redheaded human rogue TYVM.

I see the allure, though. I actually almost wanted to play a elf, but ultimately the fact none of the player voices are so distinctly different from the welsh/scottish accents every other elf uses (I think? If any don't I never encountered them) pretty much killed any immersion that would have been.

Not to mention the whole "what's a Mythal?" And "What does THAT elven god do?" Stuff during the temple, just... Nasty.

All Dalish elves in DA2/DA:I use that accent, yeah. Well, except Lavellan... Dalish in DA:O used American accents so I guess the best you can do is use the American VAs in DA:I. The British one (female at least) sounds way too posh and 'nobley' for a "heathen uncivilized nomad" that are the Dalish.

The Mythal temple stuff was really odd as an elf for many reasons. I'd figure a Dalish would be bouncing off the walls with excitement over finding something like that but instead they're like "I guess this is kinda neat...what is this about? Mythal? wtf is that?"

[CardButton]

All Dalish elves in DA2/DA:I use that accent, yeah. Well, except Lavellan... Dalish in DA:O used American accents so I guess the best you can do is use the American VAs in DA:I. The British one (female at least) sounds way too posh and 'nobley' for a "heathen uncivilized nomad" that are the Dalish.

The Mythal temple stuff was really odd as an elf for many reasons. I'd figure a Dalish would be bouncing off the walls with excitement over finding something like that but instead they're like "I guess this is kinda neat...what is this about? Mythal? wtf is that?"

Hmm ... while the accent thing may be just a result of the voice actor's chosen it could be attributed to the gradual cultural drift that has occurred between each Dalish clan.  

 

They've changed to fit their environment, I guess its not too much of a leap to say their accents could also vary from clan to clan.  Perhaps the Lavellan clan simply doesn't have the accent because they have for so long been more interactive with the local Human populations.  Merrils clan certainly was hyper avoidant of humans and therefore the accent would be more noticeable because they only really interact internally or with other Dalish clans and the Dalish clan in Southern Thedas is geographically removed quite a bit from either of them. 

[Beerfish]

Neither mages nor elves are always the underdogs even if they paint themselves with that brush, the elves in particular are in most cases authors of their own destiny.  A few select very vocal and active mages seem to like to speak for the whole lot of them as far as whoa is me goes.  I play mages and elves but I equally enjoy playing characters that think elves are pure dumbasses and want to put mages in their place.

[Tidus]

Beerfish, Elves and mages are hated and downtrodden by the populace. Elves are killed for sport and mages killed out of fear.

[Beerfish]

Beerfish, Elves and mages are hated and downtrodden by the populace. Elves are killed for sport and mages killed out of fear.

Elves have tried to be conquers many times in the past.  Elves are essentially responsible for the events of DAI.  Dalish elves have consorted or tried to consort with demons a number of times and have been flattened as result.

 

Mages have probably killed more innocents than mages that have been killed.  The funny thing is one of the only things preventing mages from being wiped out in thedas is the circles and the templars.  You think people tried to hide their mage abilities in fear of going to the circle, lets see how mages fair when the local village finds out a mage child has the abilities.  Mages should be feared greatly.

[Cute Nug]

The mages suck as presented in DAI.

 

You need mages to close the big sky hole that threatens ALL of Thedas and you get no help from "loyalists", Weissaupt Grey Spawn Mages, or Tevinter because reasons(?). Also we can recruit Bull, so with absolute lack of any help with the apocalypse sky hole, even the Qunari mages should have been a desperate option. LOL, the Chantry would have flipped their big old hats over that.

 

The "rebel" mages at first seem like they might be the only ones in Thedas offering to help finally with the apparently totally unimportant demon spawning sky hole thing but you find they are suddenly no longer rebels and you have to ask their evil Tevinter master for permission first, even though his priority is killing you. Plus they have a Tranquil murder shack in Redcliffe that Thedas Rules of Derp dictate you can't discuss because reasons. Could we have gotten even a small WTF moment!

 

Fiona is the DAI Orsino and only too happy to help lead the most evil cult in Thedas as soon as she has a chance instead of actually helping her rebel mages because reasons.

 

If you can pretend/RP these issues don't exist then mages are indeed a great choice for DAI.

 

A mage Inquisitor would be a better option if you could mock and berate all Thedas mages throughout the game for their glorious feckless suckitude. How is this not relevant conversation? It there is ever a DAI Enhanced Edition released please please make this happen. There is potential for amazing banter with Morigan and Viv about how crappy Thedas mages have become.

 

Elves are a fun choice except for the minor broken arms thing. Although, I wish all race choices had origins content beyond just a few Bore Table missions that no one reacts to. Can't have everything.

 

If mages in DA4 are going to suck I hope they at least bring back the great DA2 sarcastic comments.

[jlb524]

The mages suck as presented in DAI.

You need mages to close the big sky hole that threatens ALL of Thedas and you get no help from "loyalists", Weissaupt Grey Spawn Mages, or Tevinter because reasons(?). Also we can recruit Bull, so with absolute lack of any help with the apocalypse sky hole, even the Qunari mages should have been a desperate option. LOL, the Chantry would have flipped their big old hats over that.

Tevinter and the Qunari wouldn't send mages because they want the chaos with the Breach to tear apart and weaken Southern Thedas (ie their enemies). If the South was overun and their lands threatened, then they'd do something. Both those groups are also super busy fighting each other. There are Tevinter mages in Southern Thedas but ofc they work for Coryphenus. Qunari might not send mages anywhere lightly as they also need to send a whole entourage per mage to watch them/control them.

Grey Warden mages? Also working for Coryfriggens.

Now, Vivienne's Loyalist mages that supposedly rival the Rebels in numbers...where they at? IDK

[Cute Nug]

Tevinter and the Qunari wouldn't send mages because they want the chaos with the Breach to tear apart and weaken Southern Thedas (ie their enemies). If the South was overun and their lands threatened, then they'd do something. Both those groups are also super busy fighting each other. There are Tevinter mages in Southern Thedas but ofc they work for Coryphenus. Qunari might not send mages anywhere lightly as they also need to send a whole entourage per mage to watch them/control them.

Grey Warden mages? Also working for Coryfriggens.

Now, Vivienne's Loyalist mages that supposedly rival the Rebels in numbers...where they at? IDK

 

I agree with the problems getting Vent or Qunari mages but it seems weird it wasn't addressed. It is significant in ongoing relations if there was an apocalyptic sky hole and they had refused any help because they would rather see Southern Thedas overrun with demons first. Also it would have been fun to suggest they only need to send half the needed mages each for a combined Vent and Sarabass mage group to close the breech.

 

My understanding was that only the Orlesion and maybe Ferelden Grey Spawn were wrapped up in their Darkspawn master Corybit's plans. Their should have been plenty of Weissaupt Grey Spawn mages that could have helped.

 

I think Vivienne says that the loyalist mages are all hiding or some other lame story excuse. Hasmal at least had a group of loyalist mages that could have helped. In playthroughs where the rebel mages join the Venatori there are still enough loyalists to repopulate the circles and the new college of enchanters so the loyalist numbers must have been significant since most of the rebel mages would have been killed.

[Artona]

Funny. That "we are poor and oppressed, feel sorry for us!" halo over mages and elves makes me choose human nobles (or at least dwarves) every time.

 

 

Well DA elves/mages are a fresh breath of air when compared to Tolkien's one-with-nature, always-fair-and-just-and-wise elves/mages.

 

For me, elves are still veeeery "Tolkien'y" with them being shade of their former glory, forgetting the past, ancient... it was really like Rivendell with last Noldors.

[CardButton]

Funny. That "we are poor and oppressed, feel sorry for us!" halo over mages and elves makes me choose human nobles (or at least dwarves) every time.

 

 

For me, elves are still veeeery "Tolkien'y" with them being shade of their former glory, forgetting the past, ancient... it was really like Rivendell with last Noldors.

Hey as long as they (and the other races) don't pull an actual Tolkein I'm good!  The whole ... the human race winning the world because every other race gave up or pretentiously let themselves die out thing always bugged the crap out of me.  SoIaF is doing the same thing right now, though thankfully its a bit more subtle. 

[AnimalBoy]

I've never played as an elf. Only human and dwarf. I tried mage once but i'm not a fan of range attacks for my personal character and much rather just be in someone's face doing melee so i'm ususally 99% warrior or on an occasion a rogue.

[Tidus]

Beerfish let's take a closer look at finger pointing.

 

Humans are general foul ups and let everything fall to pieces and it takes a Elf or Dwarf to fix things anew. In DA:O A idiot  human king wannabe let the Drakspawn get out of control while he worried about the wardens and the Orlesians. Loghain turned out to be the best ally the Drakspawn could ever wish for. While Loghain was busy with a needless civil war and hiring assassins to kill the last two GWs in Ferelden while the Drakspawn was busy tearing the country apart. 

 

DA:2 Another human cause trouble,a human blew up a circle etc..

 

DA:I Yet another human seek to gain power and allied with a mixed up talking Darkspawn from DA:A.

[SurelyForth]

Ah, yes. What is that old saying? "Oppression is the spice of life!"

[TK514]

Beerfish let's take a closer look at finger pointing.

 

Humans are general foul ups and let everything fall to pieces and it takes a Elf or Dwarf to fix things anew. In DA:O A idiot  human king wannabe let the Drakspawn get out of control while he worried about the wardens and the Orlesians. Loghain turned out to be the best ally the Drakspawn could ever wish for. While Loghain was busy with a needless civil war and hiring assassins to kill the last two GWs in Ferelden while the Drakspawn was busy tearing the country apart. 

 

DA:2 Another human cause trouble,a human blew up a circle etc..

 

DA:I Yet another human seek to gain power and allied with a mixed up talking Darkspawn from DA:A.

 

I like how you conveniently skip over:

• The stupid elf that continually put his entire clan at risk of being eaten by werewolves for his own selfish ends
• The two stupid elves who play right into the hands of a pride demon, causing, at the very least, the dissolution of their clan if not its destruction, and
• The stupid elf who was the cause of the entire plot of DA:I

[Medhia_Nox]

I've grown to hate underdogs... cause they're usually just portrayed as members of the Cult of Victim (and almost exclusively portrayed that way in DA).

[Marshal Moriarty]

Whilst these groups have been persecuted, they are hardly blameless and have committed all manner of atrocities themselves. If the Mage Rebellion are given their freedom and greater privileges in DAI, it will give credence to the ideals of people like Anders and Uldred's mob in DAO who insist that the only way to enact change is through blood.

 

As for the Dalish, their involvement in the games is extremely reluctant on their part. They generally refuse to comminicate with outsiders at all, and couldn't care less if the rest of the races get wiped out. Its hard to view them in heroic terms, when they have to be dragged kicking and screaming to give any assistance at all. Frankly I'm with Sten who is disgusted at their attitude and who openly questions the value of having 'allies' like them.

 

The Dalish just have a way about them, like they think everyone else is utter scum, and that you should be grateful they're putting up with you at all. Even nicer characters like Merrill have moments where she talks down to you as being 'just a Shemlen' and to Fenris for being a City Elf and thus not as much of a 'real' elf (Fenris considers the Dalish to be completely full of themselves and closed off from reality, and its hard to argue with that point. Sera also openly mocks them for their victim complex - act like victims and isolationist dicks, and that's how people will treat you).

[MisterJB]

When did opression become a popularity contest where you win points the more out the norm you are?

Andrastre preserve us from these heathens.

[scribeman]

I am someone who has always played elf mage, across all series. 

 

I would love to know why the majority of video gamers-- especially here!-- are so radically anti-mage, anti-elf. Save the BS story excuses. I see this sentiment literally everywhere. Video game designers hate mages and make magic deliberately crappy. Players everywhere are deathly offended that anyone else but a human warrior should be in a game, much less exist as a playable character.

 

 

[Artona]

scribeman - Could you point out where are those "deathly offended players"?

 

And, while I can't - obviously - speak for that "majority" (of course assuming that majority indeed shares that view) in my opinion reason for dislike towards mages is pretty obvious: they are responsible for every major conflict in those games and yet they still can't see that they need overseeing.

And elves are made to be so better than people, so noble, so poor and oppressed that it makes me roll my eyes. I'd say - half-seriously - that they are somewhat passively aggresive in their desing .

So, yeah.

[Tidus]

Beerfish,None of those things you mention the Elves did would cause the major issues. The Elf did not cause the explosion at the conclave-it was a mistake that had to be killed. The Darkspawn and a Trevintor mage caused the problems.

 

Of course Elf haters will always blame the Elves even though there are power hungry humans causing the major problems.

[Heimerdinger]

The Elf did not cause the explosion at the conclave-it was a mistake that had to be killed. The Darkspawn and a Trevintor mage caused the problems.

 

Of course Elf haters will always blame the Elves even though there are power hungry humans causing the major problems.

 

You forget that a particularly bald and pointy eared person gave his Orb to Corypheus and then it all went down hill. The same bald entity now wants to collapse the Veil and bring back the good old days. Somehow.

[TK514]

Beerfish,None of those things you mention the Elves did would cause the major issues. The Elf did not cause the explosion at the conclave-it was a mistake that had to be killed. The Darkspawn and a Trevintor mage caused the problems.

 

Of course Elf haters will always blame the Elves even though there are power hungry humans causing the major problems.

 

You obviously decided to ignore information given to you by Solas himself to fit your narrative.  He willingly provided Corypheus with the orb, knowing what the Magister would do with it.

 

His regret was not "All those people died and the breach was opened", since that was pretty much his entire plan to begin with.  His regret was "I didn't know Corypheus would survive the explosion and prevent me from picking up my orb".

[Aren]

 

I like how you conveniently skip over:

• The stupid elf that continually put his entire clan at risk of being eaten by werewolves for his own selfish ends
• The two stupid elves who play right into the hands of a pride demon, causing, at the very least, the dissolution of their clan if not its destruction, and
• The stupid elf who was the cause of the entire plot of DA:I

 

well at least Zathrian gained the eternal youth

[jlb524]

Solas has the largest body count of any evil dobadder in the series.

Though, most of his victims were the ancient elves that died when he created the veil because their floating cities were no longer floaty.

So...call it even?