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[Patricia08]

What i was wondering is why Vivienne joined the Inquisition with such a sick Bastien at home i cannot believe it was because the Inquisitor is the only one who could kill a Snowy White Wyvern

[MiyuEmi]

She wants power.  She doesn't care about or possibly even love Bastion, everything this woman does is for a position of power.  So she definitely doesn't need you to get a heart for her, she wants to be divine, which is why she sought you out.  You have the influence to get her to that position.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Given how late in the game the quest activates, it seems possible, even likely, that Bastien took a turn for the worse after she was already committed.

 

Vivienne joined the Inquisition because she wants order restored - both because she values order for its own sake and because it's difficult to elevate your position when chaos reigns due to war and/or a giant hole in the sky.

[Tidus]

Well,I hate to disappoint her but, in my next game she will be turn down since the last thing my Inquisitor needs is a power hungry witch.. She also seem upset because I free the mages instead of the Templars.

 

What type of a Dalish apostate  mage would free the self righteous Templars that couldn't wait to start killing mages, apprentices and the tranquil?

[Patricia08]

MiyuEmi

Yes i  know i have the influence to give her that position of being the new Divine she i a bad Divine but that is my opinion and yes you are right that she wants power but i do believe that she loves him and i also wonder why he loves her back ?? i don't like her   

[Bayonet Hipshot]

She is a politician who is out to obtain more power for herself. That is why she joined the Inquisition. In my opinion, she is one of the least trustworthy possible member of the Inquisition lineup.

[Patricia08]

Andraste_reborn

Yeah you can be right about that i have not thought about that possibility

[Patricia08]

Tidus

I almost always choose the Mages because i think the Mages should be free and yes she disapproves greatly and i like that

 

I don't know

[MiyuEmi]

@Patricia08  Perhaps she does, but I don't know.  I personally don't think so.  I think that Bastion is a stepping stone for her for power.  This is a woman who knows how to use influence to her advantage.  She doesn't/didn't want to become his wife because of the position that would put her in.  I got some information from the Wiki on her.  Yes, I know it's not gospel, but I believe it's very accurate to her character.  She is a politician who will use anyone to her advantage.  She partnered with Bastion due to the doors that would open for her.  She changed the position of Court Enchanter into a powerful advisory position when it was little more than a jester position in the beginning.  Cole will reveal that she manipulated the Marquis into attacking you at her party so that she could in turn attack him as reprisal for an earlier insult.  She has a nickname, the Iron Lady because people fear her and/or respect her.

 

That's just my opinion though, but I truly believe that everything she does, she does for power and nothing else.  I would not put it past her, at all, to have entered into a relationship with Bastion solely for the political benefits it would offer her.  The Olesian Court equivalent of a gold digger, and a very successful one at that, allowing a mage to take a position of power within government is no small feat!

[Donk]

What i was wondering is why Vivienne joined the Inquisition with such a sick Bastien at home i cannot believe it was because the Inquisitor is the only one who could kill a Snowy White Wyvern

She's a selfish **** with an endgame. She took a gamble on the Inquisition for personal power. It will become clear to you what that is when you finish the game.

[Patricia08]

Bayonet Hipshot

Yes i think you are probably right

[Catilina]

It's simple: She has joined to annoy people. I guess it's her mission in life.

[Tidus]

Catilina, I thought that annoying people was Sera's job?  

[Patricia08]

@MiyuEmi wel when i look at the cutscene where she gives Bastien the potion and the look on her face i don't know maybe you are right that she does not love him and i deffenitally believe that to that it is a stepping stone for her power to become friends with someone like Bastien. But i believe that Bastien was married so i am not sure if she would marry him. Yes you are right she deffenitally uses people for her personal game she uses the Inquisitor to at the end. I did not know that that thing with Cole

 

Yes i do believe that to    

[Catilina]

Catilina, I thought that annoying people was Sera's job?

 

Indeed, but one does not exclude the other.

[Patricia08]

@donk yes she definitely has an endgame and i finished the game allready like 7 times btw why can't i say b***tch what is wrong with that word ??

i am a b***tch sometimes to

[Patricia08]

@Catilina yes she really annoys me to

[Krypplingz]

"I will not lie motionless in a bed, with the coverlets up to my chin, waiting for death to claim me". 

Sure the quote itself is from Wynne, but I think it describes the basis of why Vivienne joins the Inquisition. If you want something fixed, you best do it yourself, even it's the world that needs fixing. The sky is tearing apart and spitting out demons, both very magical things and at the start there is a suspicion that the mages did it. So she joins to say that no, mages do not want to destroy the world, they want to help to keep it safe.  By helping she saves the world she lives in, sets a good example as a mage and can hopefully stand at the end, smiling as a hero. 

 

As for leaving Bastien sick at home. What should she do, sit by his side holding his hand as he slowly dies and the world around her burns? It's not like he's home alone, he's an Orlesian noble and thus has a household full of servants that can tend to his basic needs. He also has a son and a sister that can keep him company, and heck, maybe she feels like his last moments on Thedas are better spent with his family than his mistress. 

Meanwhile she can help save the world, which does end up with her aligning herself with an organization that has access and connection to get access to all sorts of magical remedies and ingredients. 

 

As for loving Bastien. I think she cares for him in her way. It's not some mushy squishy fairytale love but she cares and she wants him to get better. But you don't always get what you want and she's used to that. So she does what she has always done, takes the lemons and makes lemonade. It might seem cold, but that's how the game is played. 

 

As for the powers and connections that she gains along the way. Good for her. Make some use of the adventure that can benefit you after you retire instead of ending up as a washed up drunk at the streets of Kirkwall.

[CardButton]

Given how late in the game the quest activates, it seems possible, even likely, that Bastien took a turn for the worse after she was already committed.

 

Vivienne joined the Inquisition because she wants order restored - both because she values order for its own sake and because it's difficult to elevate your position when chaos reigns due to war and/or a giant hole in the sky.

YUP! and she is one of my favorite companions in any DA game because of this!  

 

Despite playing a Mage I actually agreed with her opinions far more than I did the rebel mages and I really did like her as a character.  She is not selfless, she has an agenda, she does want to increase her influence, yet she doesn't do so through cheap tricks and builds whatever power she obtains on a strong base and downright tells the Inquisitor that.  She also, in her own way, truly does care about Mages (far more than Fiona apparently does) and while many of her opinions about magic and the circles are rather harsh, they are rarely wrong.  "She is a ****** and she knows it" ... that doesn't really invalidate her opinions though.

 

If you drag her and Cole around (and do her personal quest) you find out she does have a soft side ... that she absolutely does not want people to know she has.   The only thing I didn't get from her that I wanted was the reason why she was so afraid of magic (specifically from inexperienced and undisciplined Mages). There seems like there was a personal experience driving that, but we didn't really get it which is a shame.

 

Also for those people saying she joined because she wanted to become Divine ... she had no way of knowing that that decision would in anyway be influenced by the Inquisitor when she joined, so at best i'd say she hoped to increase her chances at being Grand Enchanter when everything was done (she also does not suggest herself to be Divine unless you ask and straight up says Cassy is the best option available in her opinion).

 

Do I think she'd make a good Divine?  In any other time period, yes.  Do I want her to be Divine?  No, I'd rather Lelianna be Divine and Viv take her place as Grand Enchanter.   Luckily (and through quite a bit of effort) you can have both if you ally with the Templars, so I eventually got my ideal world state.

[daveliam]

Vivienne joined the Inquisition because she sees it as a politically advantageous move to solidify her powerbase.  And, I do believe that she honestly thinks that her approach to Mage/Templar conflict is the one that has the best interest of mages in mind.  I believe she's genuine in her beliefs.

 

With regard to the "she doesn't love Bastien" nonsense, it's clear to me that she loves him.  In fact, the scene where he dies is the only scene in the game where her Orlesian "Game" mask falls and you see the real woman.  And that woman is deeply grieving the loss of her love. 

 

Plus, in game files confirm that she was crafting the potion in a desperate attempt to save his life out of her love for him.  Just to preemptively cut off the people who argue that she was trying to kill him the entire time. 

 

Look, I get that people don't like her, but she gives you plenty to work with already.  No need to stretch and look for really dodgy points on top of it.  Just dislike her for her personality and/or political views and leave it at that.

[Heimerdinger]

1) She wants the Circle restored and kept under the Chantry's control.

2) She wants to be Divine or at the least try to influence who the next Divine will be. (she's OK with Cassandra but not with Leliana)

[CardButton]

Vivienne joined the Inquisition because she sees it as a politically advantageous move to solidify her powerbase.  And, I do believe that she honestly thinks that her approach to Mage/Templar conflict is the one that has the best interest of mages in mind.  I believe she's genuine in her beliefs.

 

Look, I get that people don't like her, but she gives you plenty to work with already.  No need to stretch and look for really dodgy points on top of it.  Just dislike her for her personality and/or political views and leave it at that.

It's weird right?  People seem to really like Fiona, but hate Vivienne ... I never really got that? I can absolutely understand disliking both though. 

 

While Viv's opinions are traditional, they do come from a place of caring and responsibility.  She seems to have a far better understanding of "people" than most mages, probably due to her work in the Orlesian Court, and it's reflected in her opinions even if other mages don't like it. Fiona is just bizarre and is either completely naive and inept in her decision making policies, or is playing the game just as much as Viv (but is just far less honest about it).

 

I still cannot believe that Fiona had no contingency for the "almost" half of the Circle Mage population that voted to stay in the Circles.  She is either dangerously incompetent as a leader, or just didn't care, but regardless she essentially threw them to the wolves with the idea that "those that survive will have little choice but to join the rebellion".  There is just a bunch of other weird things that surround the decision ... like the fact that the vote to disband the circles still passed only by a small margin during a time of extreme crisis. Which seems to imply that it would not have passed had the vote not occurred during that period and also implies that Fiona sort of manipulated the Mages during a time of distress to push her own personal agenda of disbanding the Circles (which I know she tried and failed at doing before).  This would actually make a lot of sense as to why the "after" effects of Mage independence seemed so poorly thought out (like how are they going to make money or get food after they've demonized themselves to the entire population of Thedas and abandoned or killed most of their Tranquil ... the only source of income they had in the mages circles?) 

 

Food for thought. 

[MiyuEmi]

@CardButton  I don't like Fiona or Vivienne, but in Vivienne's case I just consider that proof that she's a really well written character.  If she wasn't well written and considered I wouldn't like or dislike her I'd probably be bored by her (sorry, but queue Varric - I know a lot of people like his character but I think he's boring, especially in DAI).

 

I suppose she did love Bastion in time, I can admit that , but I doubt very highly that was her intention when they became involved.  I think the only reason I was interested in seeing Fiona is because she's Alistair's mother.  Other than that, she made a foolish decision and a lot of people paid/could have paid the price for it.

[AFA]

Is there a way to kick her out of the Inquistion? I wasn't going to recruit her at all in my next-gen playthrough, but eventually did. My rebel mage and her hate each other so much that she doesn't have a purpose. 

 

She is a well written character, good voice, nice to look at, great specialization, but I can't stand her. She should have been an adviser, with her companion spot given to a rebel mage IMO. Same for Dorian really. 

[MiyuEmi]

@AFA  I honestly don't think there is as she has an end game of being a possible Divine option.  I decided with her that unless I actually plan on using her in some way I won't recruit her as, like Solas, I don't think there's a way to make her leave as he's so end-game plot relevant.  Solas I like however!