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[Arshei]

Cassandra is an interesting character but her romance feels so wrong and that she really don't want it.

 

The first man she had loved was Regalyan, he died at the concalve, how exactly Cassandra didn't really mourn his lost?

She is more sad about Hawke's dead than the man she loved?

You can flirt whit her and she don't stop you, just ignore you, until the part she succumbs to the Inquisitor's charm

 

To start the romance you have to become her dog and travel around the world to look flowers?

After the sex scene she start talking about her first love, really?

You bring your ex as topic?, after sex?

 

It feels like she want to tell you "Regalyan does it better"

Yeah she opens your heart at you, I know she is always reserved because of the death of her brother and the incomprehension of her uncle. But this is not the moment Cass!.

 

She looks more happy of course, but it feels like she is using you as a replace of Regalyan

 

Then there is the matter of the Divine, the worst handled in my opinion.

Yeah, I know Casasndra is altruist, but really she prefers use a stupid hat and break your heart than simply refuse being divine?

She prefers restore the chantry than the happiness of the Inquisitor and herself?

(I know others romances does the same, Iron Bull, Alistair, Cullen, Anders, Morrigan, Sebastian)

 

 

And Trespasser, if she is not divine, there have been like more of 2 years of relationship, if other romances like Sera and Cullen are ready to get married, why does she not?

The argument "She want a romantic proposal" or "this is not the time for weddings" don't work.

 

She says "You don't have to fight for me" then why don't you want to marry me?

You don't like being tied up?

And in fact, this is the perfect time to marry, everyone knows that the inquisitor is going to die because of the mark, they can't know that Solas is going to maim him!

[AlanC9]

Cassandra deals with her lover's death offscreen. This strikes me as entirely correct for her at that stage of her relationship with the Inquisitor.

[AnimalBoy]

Eh, i feel that she brings him up because she's now found someone that she can feel the same way about and she doesn't want to lose him too.

[Dai Grepher]

I had a few slight issues with the Cass romance, but it was still well done and it's still the best one in the game.

 

First, her and Regalyan were together like 18 years before that, and she doesn't exactly say that they had sex. She just said she loved him. But clearly she did not continue a romance with him. It wasn't even possible for them. Now I admit that bringing him up at that point was inappropriate, and even the Inquisitor shakes his head like, "You don't have to go into this." But I guess I can overlook it as something she needed to get off her chest, and the point she was trying to make was that Corypheus took Regalyan from her already, so she will not let him take the Inquisitor from her too.

 

Second, it did seem like she wasn't that attached to the relationship based on the option to break up. She doesn't respond all that negatively to a breakup choice. Compare that to Cullen, who seems genuinely hurt and won't want to talk to you right away after that. However, this is meta. My Inquisitor did not break up with Cass, so her reaction never factored in. Same case with being Divine. This didn't happen in my playthrough so it doesn't really matter to me. However, I will agree that she seemed to take on her responsibility a little too well.

 

Third, on the other hand, she has the sweetest romance lines in the game, and it's apparent by what she says that she does genuinely love the Inquisitor.

 

Fourth, the 2 year gap is something I didn't like, since my Inquisitor had Cassandra in the party at all times (unless the game disallowed it like with Cole's personal quest). So I didn't like that they spent time apart. I wanted my Inquisitor to help her restore the Seekers. He promised to do so, and before the final battle he said that he didn't care what was next, as long as they were together for it.

 

Fifth, the marriage thing is not what you're making it out to be. She didn't necessarily have an aversion to getting married to you, she merely recognized that it was a big step, and she respected it as such.

[Tidus]

Underneath all that tough woman bluster and body armor  Cass is doing her upmost to hide her  (to her mind) weak girly girl side as shown when she jump up and tries to hide a smutty book from the Inquisitor..

 

Tidus sees and fully understand the woman that  wanted to kill him is actually a very sweet person under that body armor she wears 24/7.

[Arshei]

I had a few slight issues with the Cass romance, but it was still well done and it's still the best on in the game.

 

First, her and Regalyan were together like 18 years before that, and she doesn't exactly say that they had sex. She just said she loved him. But clearly she did not continue a romance with him. It wasn't even possible for them. Now I admit that bringing him up at that point was inappropriate, and even the Inquisitor shakes his head like, "You don't have to go into this." But I guess I can overlook it as something she needed to get off her chest, and the point she was trying to make was that Corypheus took Regalyan from her already, so she will not let him take the Inquisitor from her too.

 

Second, it did seem like she wasn't that attached to the relationship based on the option to breakup. She doesn't respond all that negatively to a breakup choice. Compare that to Cullen, who seems genuinely hurt and won't want to talk to you right away after that. However, this is meta. My Inquisitor did not break up with Cass, so her reaction never factored in. Same case with being Divine. This didn't happen in my playthrough so it doesn't really matter to me. However, I will agree that she seemed to take on her responsibility a little too well.

 

Third, on the other hand, she has the sweetest romance lines in the game, and it's apparent by what she says that she does genuinely love the Inquisitor.

 

Fourth, the 2 year gap is something I didn't like, since my Inquisitor had Cassandra in the party at all times (unless the game disallowed it like with Cole's personal quest). So I didn't like that they spent time apart. I wanted my Inquisitor to help her restore the Seekers. He promised to do so, and before the final battle he said that he didn't care what was next, as long as they were together for it.

 

Fifth, the marriage thing is not what you're making it out to be. She didn't necessarily have an aversion to getting married to you, she merely recognized that it was a big step, and she respected it as such.

 

Well, for being a brat who demand you to travel around the word to give her flowers and a poem or she isn't going to love you because she want to feel like the princess of the books is strange that she didn't want marriage.

[The dead fish]

Two things. Disliked being forced to play the puppet, like the beta guy who never dated anyone in his life and who is desesperate to have a girlfriend, doing whatever the hell she requires first just so she can be available to him... ' i can be that maaaaan cassandra ' What a lame line. 

 

" read me poesy first, kneel before my feets and I might consider you in a romantic way  "

 

Man, if a girl behaves that way in real life, wow, I'm just telling her, bye, that's it. I don't care if she is super attractive. If her personality sucks, she will be ugly in my eyes anyway. It's a video game, so it's okay, but geez, it's still bothers me that we can't have another path and we are forced to do it for Cassandra to be available. 

 

This is one of the reasons why I prefer Josephine. 

 

i also disliked how we are forced to be passive when Cassandra wants to be divine and dismisses so easily the feelings of the inquisitor. We should have had the choice to break up with her or not at this point. Nope, we can only whine and follow like the sheeps we guys are. 

[Donk]

Pmsl

[Donquijote and 59 others]

After the sex scene she start talking about her first love, really?
You bring your ex as topic?, after sex?

It feels like she want to tell you "Regalyan does it better"

He does indeed

[Dai Grepher]

Well, for being a brat who demand you to travel around the word to give her flowers and a poem or she isn't going to love you because she want to feel like the princess of the books is strange that she didn't want marriage.

 

I saw her make no demands. She mentions what she likes, and then tries to talk you out of doing any of them. The choice to follow through with those things is the Inquisitor's. She certainly did not know the location of any particular poetry book, and flowers can be found anywhere, as can candles.

 

Where are you getting the idea that she didn't want marriage?

[XEternalXDreamsX]

I use to have issues with some of what you speak.

Gathering the flowers, poetry, and candles then setting it up for a date night to show you care. She brings up an Ex after sex. I 'soldier up' with I love you, and she doesn't even return it..just "tonight, I believe you" and we go for round two.

Now, I look back and rationalize it by not being sensitive and listening from her perspective so it doesn't bother me. She doubts a lot of things and doesn't want to lose my character.

I know she holds her duty over the relationship so when she becomes Divine, it's just sad but she likely holds the Chantry and it's followers well being over her own personal happiness which in turn puts us lower on the totem pole.

As far as marriage in Tresspasser, it should have been "planned" in conversation if not directly in the DLC Tresspasser. Right now, it seems to be on the back burner even though they touched on the subject.

I'm satisfied by just rationalizing everything in my own way. Lol.

[Arshei]

I saw her make no demands. She mentions what she likes, and then tries to talk you out of doing any of them. The choice to follow through with those things is the Inquisitor's. She certainly did not know the location of any particular poetry book, and flowers can be found anywhere, as can candles.

 

Where are you getting the idea that she didn't want marriage?

 

What Cassandra tell you is basically "I want to be properly courted, I want a man who... sweeps me of my feet, who give me flowers and read me poetry, if you cannot be that man then desist, what enamors you is but the surface"

 

That sound to me like "If you are not going to be the man I want then we can't be nothing"

[MidnightWolf]

Well, for being a brat who demand you to travel around the word to give her flowers and a poem or she isn't going to love you because she want to feel like the princess of the books is strange that she didn't want marriage.

Believe or not, but not ALL Women want to be Married. In fact some of us goes so far as to avoid relationships altogether.

[Dai Grepher]

Two things. Disliked being forced to play the puppet, like the beta guy who never dated anyone in his life and who is desesperate to have a girlfriend, doing whatever the hell she requires first just so she can be available to him... ' i can be that maaaaan cassandra ' What a lame line. 

 

" read me poesy first, kneel before my feets and I might consider you in a romantic way  "

 

Man, if a girl behaves that way in real life, wow, I'm just telling her, bye, that's it. I don't care if she is super attractive. If her personality sucks, she will be ugly in my eyes anyway. It's a video game, so it's okay, but geez, it's still bothers me that we can't have another path and we are forced to do it for Cassandra to be available. 

 

This is one of the reasons why I prefer Josephine. 

 

i also disliked how we are forced to be passive when Cassandra wants to be divine and dismisses so easily the feelings of the inquisitor. We should have had the choice to break up with her or not at this point. Nope, we can only whine and follow like the sheeps we guys are. 

 

I didn't see it that way at all. Cassandra was opening herself up to an alpha in that scene. She was hinting at how to do it, but she can't just outright say it. That wouldn't be lady-like. The Inquisitor is then like, "oh I can do that". Cassandra was communicating, which is important in a relationship. She noted the flirting and hinted at what should come next. She wanted to either go to the next level, or else just stop entirely, because she can't endure the "foreplay" anymore.

 

She didn't ask you to kneel to her. Come on brah. In fact, I think she said she wanted to be swept off her feet. That means picking her up like she's your prize.

 

Yeah, that's so unreasonable. She should have demanded you pay for her meals, buy her clothes and jewelry, transport her wherever she wants to go, then listen to her express her feelings. Please. If only women were as easy to please as lighting some candles and reading to them on a hill full of weeds.

 

Right, because running all over talking to nobles to get a family reinstated so they call off their hit squad, then dueling some pompous tool is so much easier.

 

I think the Divine path is probably set up to end the romance, since that is the logical conclusion in that case.

[Arshei]

Believe or not, but not ALL Women want to be Married. In fact some of us goes so far as to avoid relationships altogether.

 

That would be great If I were a man, wasted.

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Cassandra want to be the princess of her books even with her giant ears, what kind of princess don't want to marry?

My character have everything a woman could want!

Millonarie, powerful, famous, handsome!

(I was going to make a joke about my inquisitor hitting her wife but... better I stay quiet.. here people is pretty sensitive)

[o Ventus]

 

 

Cassandra is an interesting character but her romance feels so wrong and that she really don't want it.

 

I guess if you ignore the parts where she explicitly admits to wanting a romance, sure. She outright says, and I quote, "but that IS what I want!" just in case it wasn't subtle enough.

 

The first man she had loved was Regalyan, he died at the concalve, how exactly Cassandra didn't really mourn his lost?

 

Why are you assuming she didn't?

 

You can flirt whit her and she don't stop you, just ignore you, until the part she succumbs to the Inquisitor's charm

 

She most certainly does not ignore the Inquisitor.

 

To start the romance you have to become her dog and travel around the world to look flowers?

 

If going into town and buying flowers is "becoming her dog and travelling around the world", then sure. But that's hyperbolic to the point of meaninglessness.

 

After the sex scene she start talking about her first love, really?

You bring your ex as topic?, after sex?

 

Context is everything. Regalyan died because of Corypheus. The Inquisition is currently fighting Corypheus at the time that scene happens. She doe snot want Corypheus to also kill the Inquisitor as he did Regalyan.

 

It feels like she want to tell you "Regalyan does it better"

 

It's some gold-medal mental gymnastics to rationalize it as this, but whatever floats your boat.

 

She looks more happy of course, but it feels like she is using you as a replace of Regalyan

 

How many levels of insecurity do you need for it to come off like this? It's clear as day that this is not the case.

 

Yeah, I know Casasndra is altruist, but really she prefers use a stupid hat and break your heart than simply refuse being divine?

She prefers restore the chantry than the happiness of the Inquisitor and herself?

(I know others romances does the same, Iron Bull, Alistair, Cullen, Anders, Morrigan, Sebastian)

 

For her to not take the job as Divine would be rather out of character for Cassandra. Also, not a single other character you listed here has the Chantry interfere with their romance at all.

 

And Trespasser, if she is not divine, there have been like more of 2 years of relationship, if other romances like Sera and Cullen are ready to get married, why does she not?

The argument "She want a romantic proposal" or "this is not the time for weddings" don't work.

 

"She wants a romantic proposal" is completely valid, it's her choice to make. "This is not the time for weddings" also is completely valid, because at this time the Inquisitor is slowly dying and the Qunari are beginning an invasion. If I remember correctly, there is even a dialogue in Trespasser where a romanced Cassandra thinks the Inquisitor is going to propose to her (he doesn't because that's not the topic of discussion), which would indicate that she does indeed want to be married. It's still not the time for a wedding, regardless.

 

She says "You don't have to fight for me" then why don't you want to marry me?

You don't like being tied up?

And in fact, this is the perfect time to marry, everyone knows that the inquisitor is going to die because of the mark, they can't know that Solas is going to maim him!

 

This is exactly the reason why they shouldn't get married at that point in time.

[SurelyForth]

I imagine a princess who actually knows what being a princess entails might not want to marry.

 

And I don't think Cassandra wants to be a princess, or be treated like a princess because that **** is an illusion and she knows it. She just doesn't want to be treated like the bruiser in all aspects of her life- she enjoys soft things and romantic things and it's not something people expect from someone who comes across as hard edges and steel. 

 

As for marriage, I'm pretty sure she's not on the table because you ultimately have no control over her becoming Divine. You can try to game the system, but it's not always successful. For those of us who lost that battle when we romanced her, having those who lucked into a non-Divine Cassandra also get something of a mega confirmed "happily ever after" would be a double bummer. 

[Dai Grepher]

What Cassandra tell you is basically "I want to be properly courted, I want a man who... sweeps me of my feet, who give me flowers and read me poetry, if you cannot be that man then desist, what enamors you is but the surface"

 

That sound to me like "If you are not going to be the man I want then we can't be nothing"

 

She wants to be treated like a lady?! WHAAAAAAT?!?!? How dare she?

 

Okay, this is basically Cassandra begging for it. She's telling him what needs to happen next. She wants to do it so hard, but in response to the traditional method, not just based on comely glances, witty retorts, and impressive displays. Once the formalities are out of the way she can't get that chastity armor off fast enough.

 

He's already the man she wants. But she thinks she can't have him, and if he won't take the relationship further, then there's no point in torturing each other over it, they should just focus on the mission.

[BSpud]

beta guy

 

lol

[Illegitimus]

Cassandra is an interesting character but her romance feels so wrong and that she really don't want it.

 

The first man she had loved was Regalyan, he died at the concalve, how exactly Cassandra didn't really mourn his lost?

 

We will never know "exactly" how much Regalyn was on her mind rather than Justinia when Cassandra demanded "Tell me why I don't kill you right now".   What was she going to do to demonstrate her mourning for Regalyn?  Put flowers on his nonexistent grave monument?  The very fact that she ever harbored such feelings for a mage was her deepest darkest secret.  She doesn't bring up for purposes of comparison.  Really there is no comparison, since almost nothing happened between her and Regalyn.  He was to her what the Circle Mage was to Cullen. The reason why she tells Inky about her first love is to set him aside from her heart and stop holding on to him.  

 

As for the reason why Cassandra doesn't marry the Inquisitor, well either she's Divine or she's about to refound the Seekers.  As she sees it, she can't do either of those things as an officially married woman.  

[Arshei]

 

I guess if you ignore the parts where she explicitly admits to wanting a romance, sure. She outright says, and I quote, "but that IS what I want!" just in case it wasn't subtle enough.

 

 

Why are you assuming she didn't?

 

 

She most certainly does not ignore the Inquisitor.

 

 

If going into town and buying flowers is "becoming her dog and travelling around the world", then sure. But that's hyperbolic to the point of meaninglessness.

 

 

Context is everything. Regalyan died because of Corypheus. The Inquisition is currently fighting Corypheus at the time that scene happens. She doe snot want Corypheus to also kill the Inquisitor as he did Regalyan.

 

 

It's some gold-medal mental gymnastics to rationalize it as this, but whatever floats your boat.

 

 

How many levels of insecurity do you need for it to come off like this? It's clear as day that this is not the case.

 

 

For her to not take the job as Divine would be rather out of character for Cassandra. Also, not a single other character you listed here has the Chantry interfere with their romance at all.

 

 

"She wants a romantic proposal" is completely valid, it's her choice to make. "This is not the time for weddings" also is completely valid, because at this time the Inquisitor is slowly dying and the Qunari are beginning an invasion. If I remember correctly, there is even a dialogue in Trespasser where a romanced Cassandra thinks the Inquisitor is going to propose to her (he doesn't because that's not the topic of discussion), which would indicate that she does indeed want to be married. It's still not the time for a wedding, regardless.

 

 

This is exactly the reason why they shouldn't get married at that point in time.

 

 

 

Looks like Cassandra romance is like Anders romance, you can think he never loved you and only used you or that he does love you. Interesting... (I still think she is a brat, my inqui is still crying because Cassandra told him Regalyan have a bigger staff, but good arguments, except for the part you bring Corypheous to the sex scene.. really, after sex Cassandra thought in Corypheous?)

[Tidus]

I have met women like Cass that wore body armor 24/7 and a fella had to go that extra mile to find under that armor was a very charming  and loving woman. Life can be cruel and some hide their selves in body armor to protect their selves from additional hurt while others  try to hide in the bottle.. 

 

I've mention how Tidus return to the Denerim Alienage and became a drunk after Leliana  left him and return to the Chantry. Cass lost her love in the explosion at the conclave.. Cass decides to wear body armor  24/7 while Tidus armor is a bottle. Both have one thing in common.. They lost the one they love and found self protection from future hurt..

[The dead fish]

I didn't see it that way at all. Cassandra was opening herself up to an alpha in that scene. She was hinting at how to do it, but she can't just outright say it. That wouldn't be lady-like. The Inquisitor is then like, "oh I can do that". Cassandra was communicating, which is important in a relationship. She noted the flirting and hinted at what should come next. She wanted to either go to the next level, or else just stop entirely, because she can't endure the "foreplay" anymore.

 

She didn't ask you to kneel to her. Come on brah. In fact, I think she said she wanted to be swept off her feet. That means picking her up like she's your prize.

 

Yeah, that's so unreasonable. She should have demanded you pay for her meals, buy her clothes and jewelry, transport her wherever she wants to go, then listen to her express her feelings. Please. If only women were as easy to please as lighting some candles and reading to them on a hill full of weeds.

 

Right, because running all over talking to nobles to get a family reinstated so they call off their hit squad, then dueling some pompous tool is so much easier.

 

I think the Divine path is probably set up to end the romance, since that is the logical conclusion in that case.

 

 Cassandra wants the ideal, if it doesn"t happen as she wants, regardless of who you are and if she could like you, nothing happens. The thing is I don't want to be the ideal of a woman, I want to be myself and to be appreciated for what I am, with my flaws and my qualities. Not everything should resolve around what Cassandra wants even if I'm thinking dating her. When she says I want a man who does this or that, if it doesn't happens, then desists, yes, she is requiring the inquisitor to behave that way.

 

It's totally counterproductive on me to require me to do things if it doesn't come from myself. What pleasure do you get out of requiring to your guy to offer you flowers, etc, if it doesn't come from his heart, with his own will ? If he is just forced to do it to win your favors ? Will that make you really happy if he is just submitting to your ultimatum ? 

 

I like to be romantic myself, but there is nothing that repulses me more than a woman requiring me to do exactly what she dreams of in order to get her love approbation. I would never dare doing that myself. 

 

One of my ex girlfriend when I was after her, before dating her told me that she wanted her guy to stay with her at phone for hours and hours. Because most of her boyfriends didn't like that and it frustred the hell out of her. They never really listened to her. She was very talkative, if it's 10.PM for example, at 3 Am, you are still with her if you don't stop her, even if she knows you have work tomorrow. Because she just enjoyed that, talking with her boyfriend. 

 

And too bad for her I also HATED staying more than a few minutes talking with my cellphone, especially when it's late. We could see each other face to face several times during the week, why do I need to talk for hours in my phone, especially hours after we spent some time together the same day ? I told her the truth. She accepted me the way I am. 

 

I made a compromise though, I stayed one hour or two at my phone, talking with her about everything everyday, because its makes her happy, but not more. She was happy, I was happy. Because honestly I'm not able to spend time with my phone more than that and she knew it. I did it because I wanted to, it came from my will, because I knew what she liked, not because she required me to do so.  She would have done that, It would have been totally counter productive and I would have reacted negatively. 

 

This is what I feel with Cassandra. I wish she didn't force me to do that in order to get her approbation, to be able to date her; You are romantic, you like flowers, you like soft things ? Okay just tell me, but please don't require me anything, accepts me for what I am first, try to know me. Then let me surprise you, let me be myself, while I want maybe to make you happy over a few things. 

 

But this isn't what we got. It was awkward and quite not satisfying in my eyes. But let's agree to disagree. Now, I'm not saying the whole romance was bad, just what I disliked within it. 

 

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The point IS that the inquisitor is totally passive, which isn't cool at all. If your girlfriend wants to be divine and tells you that your relationship is going to stop one day, it's up to you to decide if you want to waste your time or not with her, if you feel it's worth it to go on. If you want to be a part of her plans until the days the relationship comes to its end, then that's your choice and there it's okay. 

 

We have to deal with Cassandra's choice, but she should have to deal with our own choice at this moment. Not only it's good for rp, but it's totally appropriate, as It would be appropriate in real life in a couple. When a man wants to move in another country, asking his wife to leave her job, she certainly has to decide if she wants that for her, if she is willing to accept the deal. that's the same. I don't see why I couldn't break up now with Cassandra if I totally disagree with her plans and she persists, moving on once and for all. Why I must wait her desires ? 

 

[Big I]

Just want to point out that there's no proof she was still with Regalyan when he died. All she does is mention that she was with him in the past (and doesn't even mention him by name). For all we know their relationship could have been over for years by the Conclave.

[Artona]

If wanting to get some flowers and poetry is being "spoiled brat", how the we call demanding to kill her mother to get some book ?