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[Tidus]

Artona, Good thought provoking question.. My answer is simple. Cass wants to be wooed  before lowering her armor and giving her heart away while Morrigan wants power and will stop at nothing to get that power.

 

Leliana isn't much better since she dumps her love for the Chantry to serve the Maker and Devine Justinia  yet, she is still a stone cold bard that will not hesitate to execute a person on the Devine's order or later as spymaster she will not hesitate   to order a execution.  Even as Divine she orders executions.

[Dai Grepher]

 

 Cassandra wants the ideal, if it doesn"t happen as she wants, regardless of who you are and if she could like you, nothing happens. The thing is I don't want to be the ideal of a woman, I want to be myself and to be appreciated for what I am, with my flaws and my qualities. Not everything should resolve around what Cassandra wants even if I'm thinking dating her. When she says I want a man who does this or that, if it doesn't happens, then desists, yes, she is requiring the inquisitor to behave that way.

 

It's totally counterproductive on me to require me to do things if it doesn't come from myself. What pleasure do you get out of requiring to your guy to offer you flowers, etc, if it doesn't come from his heart, with his own will ? If he is just forced to do it to win your favors ? Will that make you really happy if he is just submitting to your ultimatum ? 

 

I like to be romantic myself, but there is nothing that repulses me more than a woman requiring me to do exactly what she dreams of in order to get her love approbation. I would never dare doing that myself. 

 

One of my ex girlfriend when I was after her, before dating her told me that she wanted her guy to stay with her at phone for hours and hours. Because most of her boyfriends didn't like that and it frustred the hell out of her. They never really listened to her. She was very talkative, if it's 10.PM for example, at 3 Am, you are still with her if you don't stop her, even if she knows you have work tomorrow. Because she just enjoyed that, talking with her boyfriend. 

 

And too bad for her I also HATED staying more than a few minutes talking with my cellphone, especially when it's late. We could see each other face to face several times during the week, why do I need to talk for hours in my phone, especially hours after we spent some time together the same day ? I told her the truth. She accepted me the way I am. 

 

I made a compromise though, I stayed one hour or two at my phone, talking with her about everything everyday, because its makes her happy, but not more. She was happy, I was happy. Because honestly I'm not able to spend time with my phone more than that and she knew it. I did it because I wanted to, it came from my will, because I knew what she liked, not because she required me to do so.  She would have done that, It would have been totally counter productive and I would have reacted negatively. 

 

This is what I feel with Cassandra. I wish she didn't force me to do that in order to get her approbation, to be able to date her; You are romantic, you like flowers, you like soft things ? Okay just tell me, but please don't require me anything, accepts me for what I am first, try to know me. Then let me surprise you, let me be myself, while I want maybe to make you happy over a few things. 

 

But this isn't what we got. It was awkward and quite not satisfying in my eyes. But let's agree to disagree. Now, I'm not saying the whole romance was bad, just what I disliked within it. 

 

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The point IS that the inquisitor is totally passive, which isn't cool at all. If your girlfriend wants to be divine and tells you that your relationship is going to stop one day, it's up to you to decide if you want to waste your time or not with her, if you feel it's worth it to go on. If you want to be a part of her plans until the days the relationship comes to its end, then that's your choice and there it's okay. 

 

We have to deal with Cassandra's choice, but she should have to deal with our own choice at this moment. Not only it's good for rp, but it's totally appropriate, as It would be appropriate in real life in a couple. When a man wants to move in another country, asking his wife to leave her job, she certainly has to decide if she wants that for her, if she is willing to accept the deal. that's the same. I don't see why I couldn't break up now with Cassandra if I totally disagree with her plans and she persists, moving on once and for all. Why I must wait her desires ? 

 

 

 

I think that's a baseless assumption about her. Yes she wanted the ideal of courtly love, but who's to say she would have turned the Inquisitor down had things gone wrong? Who's to say she wouldn't give him more chances? Who's to say she wouldn't find his fumbling adorable and bang him anyway? She isn't asking you to change, just do something for her that she would find romantic. It's the Dragon Age equivalent of asking you to take her to a chick flick.

 

How's it any different from a guy asking for certain things from the woman? Particularly regarding intimacy? Like a man asking his wife to wear lingerie. It might not be something she would normally do, or even want to do, but it's an expression of her for her husband's benefit. Similarly, Cass is asking for an expression of the Inquisitor from an emotional aspect.

 

Okay, well in "real life", Cassandra might still show interest in an Inquisitor who refuses to do those things. It's just that BioWare isn't going to waste time programing alternate options for her. BioWare made the romance to either go one way, or be cut off. This isn't a dating sim game. Besides, like I wrote in a previous post, the fact that the Inquisitor goes through with it means it is something he wanted to do. I would prefer the Inquisitor had no direct hints from Cassandra and that he figure out her preferences himself. It would be cool if you started locking down the romance by observing Cassandra in her daily life. She trains in combat, then she rests and you see her admiring some flowers. She likes flowers, check. Then you sneak into her room and look at her books. She likes poetry and smut, check. You see her lighting candles in the little room with the Andraste statue, and she prays. She likes candles and she is spiritual, double check. Maybe you observe her eating a particular fruit, check. She prefers isolation, check. Now comes time to plan a romantic outing. Then you have choices to pick from. When you get the merchant's books back you have a list to pick through. Maybe there are two books out of a dozen that will appear to her, but in different ways to different degrees. You go get the candles, but the merchant points out she has some scented candles as well. You look through the list and see one scented to the kind of fruit she likes. So you pick that one. Then you choose the location of the romantic outing. You can pick a public place or a secluded place. You get the idea. Each choice will have a plus/minus effect. This would be interesting, but again, BioWare wasn't making this to be a dating sim. BioWare did it BioWare's way.

 

I don't see how Cass is different from the example you gave. You HAD to talk on the phone with her. You were able to get the time reduced, but you still had to do it.

 

So you want an option to break up at a specific point in the game? That's fine to want that option, but that's on BioWare, not Cass. BioWare neglected to allow player choice in many instances. But wasn't there an option to indicate that you basically understood you would have to break up? And couldn't the rest be filled in adequately with headcanon? It's like, you just don't take her with you as much on missions. Also, couldn't we break up with her by talking to her in Skyhold all the way up to the end of the game?

 

What I didn't like was how at the end of the game all you got was, "Hello Inquisitor". But I'm sure that's the case with all the romance characters.

[Beerfish]

Well, for being a brat who demand you to travel around the word to give her flowers and a poem or she isn't going to love you because she want to feel like the princess of the books is strange that she didn't want marriage.

I'd say it's easy to see via your 1st two posts that you have a clear agenda and your view point is clouded.

[CronoDragoon]

What Cassandra tell you is basically "I want to be properly courted, I want a man who... sweeps me of my feet, who give me flowers and read me poetry, if you cannot be that man then desist, what enamors you is but the surface"
 
That sound to me like "If you are not going to be the man I want then we can't be nothing"

Cassandra knows what she wants and the Inquisitor can decide himself if he fits that mold or not. She doesn't owe the Inquisitor vagina just because he's interested in her.

[Arshei]

If wanting to get some flowers and poetry is being "spoiled brat", how the we call demanding to kill her mother to get some book ?

 

Well:

1- Morrigan life is in danger

2- Everyone want to kill his/her mother in law

3- Morrigan is sexy, Cassandra is...

[jlb524]

OP just get a new GF.

[Arshei]

I'd say it's easy to see via your 1st two posts that you have a clear agenda and your view point is clouded.

 

Oh don't say that! I just like the world brat I never used it before .

 

 

OP just get a new GF.

 

Who?

Josephine is  boring, and my character don't want his ass destroyed... not yet.

[Illegitimus]

What Cassandra tell you is basically "I want to be properly courted, I want a man who... sweeps me of my feet, who give me flowers and read me poetry, if you cannot be that man then desist, what enamors you is but the surface"

 

That sound to me like "If you are not going to be the man I want then we can't be nothing"

 

And the problem is?  

[AnimalBoy]

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is exactly the reason why they shouldn't get married at that point in time.

 

 

 

While i agree with almost all of your points i would have to disagree with this one. If the person you loved were dying wouldn't you want to be married to them before it's to late?

[Dai Grepher]

Well:

1- Morrigan life is in danger

2- Everyone want to kill his/her mother in law

3- Morrigan is sexy, Cassandra is...

1. No, she claimed her life was in danger. It isn't like Flemeth came for her in camp and you defended her from an assault.

 

2. Flemeth isn't his mother-in-law, but nice attempt at humor. I'd have gone with, "He won't have to deal with a crazy mother-in-law when he marries Morrigan."

 

3. Morrigan is a skank. Plus, her looks go south in Inquisition. I would compare her to DA2 Cassandra. But whatever the case I certainly wouldn't use that old picture from before the game was even made.

[AnimalBoy]

 

3- Morrigan is sexy, Cassandra is...

 

That's an opinion. One that just as many diagree with. As an argument point you can throw that right out of the window.

[jlb524]

Who?
Josephine is boring, and my character don't want his ass destroyed... not yet.

He gonna have to join a Thedas Singles Club then.

[o Ventus]

While i agree with almost all of your points i would have to disagree with this one. If the person you loved were dying wouldn't you want to be married to them before it's to late?

 

Because you are wasting valuable time that could be used to save the person who is dying. Not to mention that Thedas was being invaded by the Qunari at the time as well, and the Inquisitor had a job to do.

[o Ventus]

 

 

Looks like Cassandra romance is like Anders romance, you can think he never loved you and only used you or that he does love you. Interesting... (I still think she is a brat, my inqui is still crying because Cassandra told him Regalyan have a bigger staff, but good arguments, except for the part you bring Corypheous to the sex scene.. really, after sex Cassandra thought in Corypheous?)

 

I fail to comprehend how anybody could come to the conclusion that Cassandra doesn't love the Inquisitor, but whatever. It's clear as day, with no hidden subtext or contradictory elements.

 

@bold: What? That never happens anywhere in the game.

 

Uhh, yes she brings up Corypheus, he's the one they're all fighting against, and he is the one that killed the last person that she loved. She is making a point that she wants the Inquisitor to survive and be with her.

[Arshei]

I fail to comprehend how anybody could come to the conclusion that Cassandra doesn't love the Inquisitor, but whatever. It's clear as day, with no hidden subtext or contradictory elements.

 

@bold: What? That never happens anywhere in the game.

 

Uhh, yes she brings up Corypheus, he's the one they're all fighting against, and he is the one that killed the last person that she loved. She is making a point that she wants the Inquisitor to survive and be with her.

 

You can't deny she loves more her work than the Inquisitor.

[Guitar-Hero]

Well, for being a brat who demand you to travel around the word to give her flowers and a poem or she isn't going to love you because she want to feel like the princess of the books is strange that she didn't want marriage.

She doesn't demand anything, you just get a quest to do it. The inquisitor is the one who has the idea to do the fetchquest

[Dai Grepher]

Because you are wasting valuable time that could be used to save the person who is dying. Not to mention that Thedas was being invaded by the Qunari at the time as well, and the Inquisitor had a job to do.

 

That's right! He needed to fix crooked picture frames, collect junk loot, find dog biscuits, sneak up on Harlequins, find Halla statues, and shoot off some fireworks.
 

[nightscrawl]

While i agree with almost all of your points i would have to disagree with this one. If the person you loved were dying wouldn't you want to be married to them before it's to late?

 

I would be focusing on the fact that they are f-ing DYING. Not everyone holds marriage up on some pedestal as the ultimate expression of romantic love.

 

If the dying partner wanted to do that, and their death was a sure thing, then I would do that for them, but it's not something that would be foremost on my mind, no.

[Abyss108]

It's always a refreshing surprise when a character accepts that there are more important things in the world than some fluffy feeling they have for someone (...unless that thing is genociding your race...  ). Becoming Divine will allow Cassandra to make a real difference in the world and affect a lot of people. Good on Cassandra for wanting that.

 

You should definitely have the option to break the relationship off at that point though, it you don't want to deal with it.

[The dead fish]

@ Dai greffer : How's it any different from a guy asking for certain things from the woman? Particularly regarding intimacy? Like a man asking his wife to wear lingerie. It might not be something she would normally do, or even want to do, but it's an expression of her for her husband's benefit. Similarly, Cass is asking for an expression of the Inquisitor from an emotional aspect.

 

I agree, There is nothing different, and there are things that could displease the ladies actually. I'm pretty sure that if a guy requires having sex with the girl hitting on him for a first date to happen, she is going to feel uncomfortable or maybe more probably will just leave him without never seeing him again. Also, if a guy requires having sex with his girlfrend at the beginning of their relationship while she isn't particularly ready or would prefer spending more time together before coming to that option, it isn't going to please her. 

 

Also, I'm pretty sure that the girlfriend would prefer wearing lingerie because she knows it would please her boyfriend, because playfully he offered her to wear some for a beautiful night, ect, not because he required her with an angry voice to do so, because he needs that otherwise gtfo.

 

Romantism, erotism loses all its charm when you feel you are forced to do something because otherwise doors closed. This is my point. I want to please someone, not being forced to do something against my will in order to please someone.

 

I never required anything, and yet I once received one photo on my phone. It was a gift for christmas. Maybe the fact that I never asked anythng over such things made her be willing to do it herself to please me. 

 

I don't see how Cass is different from the example you gave. You HAD to talk on the phone with her. You were able to get the time reduced, but you still had to do it.

 

This isnt the same at all.   First, if you have a girlfriend, of course you have to talk with the phone. I'm not stupid lol.

 

She never required me to spend hours and hours ( for example a whole night or day ) at the phone while this is what she hoped from her guy. We have all expectations, and we enjoy different things. This is what I was saying; She just told me the first time that she'd love if she could spend hours and hours talking with her guy in her phone, I answered her honestly that I didn't like talking much in the phone at that time. She just laughed, maybe a bit disappointed. But she accepted the fact that I can't be the ideal, and that not everything about me will please her as her boyfriend.

 

She didn't  claim "OMG I want a man who does this, it you can't understand that, then desists " 

 

Again, she didn't require me anything, she didn't force me with an ultimatum to talk more with her with the phone, she didn't create drama around it. I hope you see the difference between beeing forced by someone to do something because otherwise it's going to be a problem for her and for you, and feeling like you have to do some efforts because you feel it's important ? 

 

I did it myself, coming from my own will because I came to understand and realize with time how she enjoyed talking with me, how it seemed important for her.. She seemed happier after the end of each conversation. She also told me what she loves, as a guy who cares about someone, of course I'm going to try to please her... ( I also enjoyed the conversations ) At the same time, while I want to please her, I shouldn't do it to the detriment of my own happyness, because otherwise it's not going to work. i'm not fond of the phone and she knew it. 

 

So one- two hours talking everynight after midnight with her when we don't see each other, for a guy who can't stand at all talking more than a few minutes in a phone, it isn't that bad I think ? She clearly perceived my efforts for her, and she appreciated it. 

 

Cassandra doesn't give a chance, you do what she wants or it doesn't happen... That's my issue. I wish we could be able to open the romance even if we aren't willing to do it, and then we could surprise her, we could offer a big romantic thing like she adores because we wanted to do it for her, not because she absolutely demanded it. 

 

 Also, couldn't we break up with her by talking to her in Skyhold all the way up to the end of the game?

 

The only time when we can break up with her is just after the sex scene. But then I had no reasons to do so at that time. 

 

[Dai Grepher]

I would be focusing on the fact that they are f-ing DYING. Not everyone holds marriage up on some pedestal as the ultimate expression of romantic love.

 

If the dying partner wanted to do that, and their death was a sure thing, then I would do that for them, but it's not something that would be foremost on my mind, no.

 

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[AnimalBoy]

Because you are wasting valuable time that could be used to save the person who is dying. Not to mention that Thedas was being invaded by the Qunari at the time as well, and the Inquisitor had a job to do.

 

 

Eh, i'd still take the time to make it official just in case i didn't have a chance to after.

[AnimalBoy]

I would be focusing on the fact that they are f-ing DYING. Not everyone holds marriage up on some pedestal as the ultimate expression of romantic love.

 

 

 

But i do. That's nice that you don't but if i'm dying i want it to be official so i can pass everything on to my partner and so she can have my last name. You know what would happen if i died tomorrow? My girlfriend of 5 years would get nothing because my family would claim that she has no legal right to anything involving my belongings or manner of funeral because we weren't married even though she's more important and closer to me then my family ever will be. Seems like there's plenty of cases around here of people thinking their opinions are facts.

[nightscrawl]

But i do. That's nice that you don't but if i'm dying i want it to be official so i can pass everything on to my partner and so she can have my last name. You know what would happen if i died tomorrow? My girlfriend of 5 years would get nothing because my family would claim that she has no legal right to anything involving my belongings or manner of funeral because we weren't married even though she's more important and closer to me then my family ever will be. Seems like there's plenty of cases around here of people thinking their opinions are facts.

 

I don't feel I phrased it that way, but OK. I don't have anything more to say on the matter.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 05 février 2016 - 01:29 .

[o Ventus]

That's right! He needed to fix crooked picture frames, collect junk loot, find dog biscuits, sneak up on Harlequins, find Halla statues, and shoot off some fireworks.
 

 

You don't have to do these either, so what is your point?

 

I wish people would at least try with their big "gotcha!" comebacks. Really, this was so weak that I didn't even need to rub 2 neurons together to shoot it down.